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Maybe 1 soft sr but
Seriously
I'm not one to lynch people for 1 post.
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Ok gotta back to work will ruminate on whatever I remember so I can be more use when I return
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On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much  come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
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I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
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Well those are REALLY bad posts from MZ and VE..
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On May 24 2023 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well those are REALLY bad posts from MZ and VE..
I work with what I've got rayn. I'm used to way more content in the tread 14 hours into the game, you'll forgive I'm sure.
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So you don want to lynch EITHER of your scumreads, but instead follow a total newbie even onto one of your townreads?
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On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
So you’d follow a newbie you are pretty sure is townie over a vet (yourself) who you presumably know is townie? Okay VE
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
I am refreshing my iPad more than I care to mention. And working hard obvs.
So how did the meta evolve since I last played? On May 23 2023 19:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:30 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
Don't know they always writing in the same minute. Feel suspicious to me What’s your theory on why mafia might do that? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here. If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced. I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though. Why do you think this?? Because i think Vivax is town. I know I ignored your question to me, but why? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote:
It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great. Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here? Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway  - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:[quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
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How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 22:20 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:55 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote. Goodio? It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread. And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times. I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out. So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide? And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure? You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game. Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence?
Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion:
It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this:
On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text.
It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance.
I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me.
On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI.
On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident. I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information. But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now. All a bit weak sauce, the whole post.
On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm? Don’t know
This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green.
On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well.
It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line.
And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless.
+ Show Spoiler +useless in the context of the game <3
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On May 24 2023 04:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
I am refreshing my iPad more than I care to mention. And working hard obvs.
So how did the meta evolve since I last played? On May 23 2023 19:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:26 die_meatbaby wrote:
It's my first game, but I have a feeling that raynpelikoneet and Vivax are hiding somewhere. I probably would lynch one of them. Well rayn definitely isn’t hiding, so what do you mean?[/QUOTE Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:30 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
Don't know they always writing in the same minute. Feel suspicious to me What’s your theory on why mafia might do that? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
The mafia talks to the other mafia right? On Discord or somewhere else and this two always answering at the same time here. If you were mafia, would you post at the same time on this thread if you were discussing the game with your mafia buddies on Discord at the same time? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 19:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Personally I would vote Vivax. He got you into this game, only fair you vote him out. Balanced. I think she got 2 out of 2 wrong though. Why do you think this?? Because i think Vivax is town. I know I ignored your question to me, but why? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 20:18 marvellosity wrote:
It has to be the plan to get meatbaby to explain their thoughts wherever possible. If town, will eliminate a lynch that mafia will have pencilled in. If not, great. Is this a serious point? If so can you expand upon your thinking here? Of course it’s serious, and it’s self explanatory. Which bit aren’t you getting? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:[quote] I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
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How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. You really don't think Koshi's case on her has any merit? I didn’t say that. But I can also think of many plausible interactions in her/Vivax friendship outside this game which could lead to her saying those things as town. Don’t you agree? I know it is possible, i just don't think it is plausible. If it’s not plausible, why are you not voting for her? I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:
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Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 22:20 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 22:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On May 23 2023 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:55 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:45 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] I dont vote unless i feel like i am sure at the time, i guess you missed that on meta If it’s not plausible, then you should be sure? If it is plausible (which it is) then I’m right. I am sorry if i am not that good at english. I think there is a possibility Vivax and die_meatballs had such an interaction somewhere before, she thinks Vivax is mafia now without a doubt. I just dont thin it is likely, but still i would like her to explain her stance before i cast my (even first) vote. Goodio? It wasn’t quite what I was getting at though. What I meant is I can envisage that a town MB could treat Vivax in this way based on their general relationship outside of this thread. And she probably is. I don't think the poker thing in her post is a lie for a second. But if and *when* that is NOT a lie, she should be aware (as a gambler/at least gamer) that she can't figure out Vivax as mafia without any reasoning at all. I guess this might change if she GAVE the reasoning, but apparently she is unwilling to, while asked multiple times. I already explained why I think you and Vivax are mafia. In the first few pages you can see that you too where always answering at the same time and being off at the same time. So I only can think of you too where writing your plans on discord how you can hide. I still not sure who is the 3th mafia member, but we will find out. So you think me and Vivax were writing our thoughts on the thread at the same time because we were wrting also onb discord on how to hide? And you after that said you are sure Vivax is mafia, like completely and utterly sure. Why does that not apply to me as per your earlier investigations? And how are you so sure? You two stopped writing here for the same time, looked like you two where both something doing for the same 10 min and coming back here at the same time. I just preferred to vote Vivax out first because he brought me in this game. Have you entertained the possibility of coincidence? Marv the socratic method only works if you actually come up with a conclusion: It doesn't feel like you're trying to draw out reasoning, it feels like you're just filling space by asking questions and then not really offering interpretations on the answers you get. You've had several people respond to your questions and rather than make meaning of the information that they've given you just continue asking questions. I'm all for asking questions but at some point your posts just start to sound like this: Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
If I had to answer the question, it’s a lot of text to not say very much or actively silly stuff about killing lurkers. Text for the sake of writing text. It's really funny to me that you wrote this post because I absolutely hate when people do what you're talking about, I call it Contributing Without Contributing and I consider it a fairly decent scumtell for most players, regardless of how experienced or inexperienced they are. Given the fact that you really haven't come to any real conclusions based on your questions, it's starting to feel as though they're simply a method to create the appearance of activity without having to actually provide concrete reads or say something of substance. I really wouldn't have a problem with constant questions if you did something with it but you still haven't generated any real reads from it which is a warning sign to me. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 20:49 Koshi wrote:
The meta question was horrible and was not going anywhere ever. I don’t want to clog up the thread too much getting into an argument about this. But anyway - I did not ask because I wanted it to go anywhere ever, but because meta of both people and sites is genuinely interesting and nothing else was happening. If you hadn’t played somewhere in a long time, wouldn’t you be curious how the play style has evolved? I dont think that's the point, and i would not hold you accountable on something like that alone on my end. What's your opinion on people now? Tell me what the point is then You have not really done anything and for sure someone has said something smart already, you haven't even nodged on anything. Youre for sure a "slow" starter that excels at the eod(1) but so far it has been nothing when i at least you should have had something (more) to say. How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 21:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:47 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:46 DarthPunk wrote:On May 23 2023 21:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 23 2023 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
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How many times do you reckon you have said this or something very close to this to me? Probably a lot, but it still stands a point though. Come on you know how mafia games work. If you think noone has a point on anything or has a point on something just say it. If I were forced to vote now, which thankfully I’m not, I would vote DP as the read on MB smells of TMI. Would you want me to be lynched right now? “Which thankfully I’m not” If you had to lynch someone right now would it be me is the question I guess. Isn’t that what my original statement was? Are you feeling okay lol Nah a vote and a lynch are not the same and I want to nail you down on taking a position. Also I think it’s wrong, obviously, I know I am town so when you are wrong I want to understand why you are wrong.I also think it just doesn’t make much sense as a lynch because I have been active and participatory, up until this point and if I was mafia, or not then it should become really evident. I can see the rational for saying you would vote for me as your best read, but if I were to kill someone now it would likely be someone less active. I might try and vote an active player for pressure and to generate positions and information. But that’s not the same as who I would remove right now, I’d probably zap a lurker if I was forced to kill someone right now. All a bit weak sauce, the whole post. Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 22:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2023 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv do you think DP is mafia or town atm? Don’t know This line of posts bothers me because it feels like you're setting up for a soft push on DarthPunk but you're not willing to actually stand behind it. You constantly undercut your own read, to me that's scummy. Either stand behind your read or don't reveal it until you have more certainty, otherwise it feels like mafia leaving behind little post-it notes to muddle up the thread, you'll be easily positioned to vote DP but you'll never have to accept responsibility if he flips green. Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 02:31 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless.I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Given my activity trying to draw MB out on their reasoning, these 2 don’t mesh so well. It's funny that you bring up your questioning as a defense because that's exactly what I was expecting to hear when I was first reading the thread. I'll reference back to my earlier point that your activity hasn't been really pro-town and more an attempt to look involved without having to put your neck on the line. And as to those points not meshing... the discussion was useful because it revealed you as being useless. + Show Spoiler +useless in the context of the game <3
But I <3 Socrate-
Oh shit shutting up (sorry, Socrates!)
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That post took about a million years to format properly so to sum up my problems with Marv in a post that's more succinct: I think Marv's play has been useless/scummy because his questions have not actually resulted in any real reads and he actively tries to distance himself from his only read of the game so far. He is filling space in the thread and looking active but his questions haven't produced a suspect he's willing to stand behind.
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On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that.
Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town?
I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP.
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On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you?
I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it.
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On May 24 2023 04:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That post took about a million years to format properly so to sum up my problems with Marv in a post that's more succinct: I think Marv's play has been useless/scummy because his questions have not actually resulted in any real reads and he actively tries to distance himself from his only read of the game so far. He is filling space in the thread and looking active but his questions haven't produced a suspect he's willing to stand behind.
For my own curiosity, can you make the other alignment argument based on my posting so far? How might that read?
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Lightning Strike you also asked about vivax, don't have much on that right now other than vibes but if he posts a little more I'll be able to come to a more concrete conclusion.
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On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention.
This really feels like "i made up some talking points and then i am gonna talk about them" rather than "i read the thread and here is what i think".
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On May 24 2023 04:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 02:46 LightningStrike wrote:On May 24 2023 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Good morning y'all, I have completed my first read of the thread. I'm currently feeling pretty good about Koshi and that's about it. I was ready to insta townread VE then he stopped posting as much come back friend. I think the meatbaby conversation has actually created some very decent content for D1 reads. I'm currently in the "meatbaby is probably town" category but I'll be honest that read flipped several times while I was reading the thread. Vivax has been unimpressive so far DarthPunk is OK, I've found myself agreeing with several of his points. I guess he counts as a soft townread. Marv has been almost useless. I'm gonna get on my computer and reread the thread a few times then write a little bit more on Marv if my current read of him holds up after some more attention. Your mb and Marv read stuff seem to contradict each other? Vivax though seems pretty townie atm. Why is he unimpressive to you? I don't think so at all, the MB discussion provided plenty of opportunities for people to come up with reads (again I'm in the "slight town" category) but Marv just danced around and asked questions rather than provide reads. So yes, the conversation was productive and Marv was also a useless part of it.
You realise getting someone to give answers - by asking questions - is what allows others to make reads?
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Rayn what do you make of MZ’s case on me?
I am heavily biased, naturally.
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On May 24 2023 04:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 04:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
That post took about a million years to format properly so to sum up my problems with Marv in a post that's more succinct: I think Marv's play has been useless/scummy because his questions have not actually resulted in any real reads and he actively tries to distance himself from his only read of the game so far. He is filling space in the thread and looking active but his questions haven't produced a suspect he's willing to stand behind. For my own curiosity, can you make the other alignment argument based on my posting so far? How might that read?
Bro..... all that and you just asked me a question lol.
But for the thought experiment, I think I could make an argument for a town alignment if you were actually taking the answers people were giving you and forming reads based on them. You just really haven't done that, posts drawing conclusions from the answers you've received are missing and that's what's wrong with your filter when I read it.
If you had posts like that and your conclusions made logical sense I'd probably townread you or at least not be actively scumreading you. But in their absence it just looks like you're making very 'easy' posts for lack of a better word that aren't going to ruffle any feathers and make it look like you're participating in scum hunting.
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On May 24 2023 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2023 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I'll ever get used to being able to read the whole thread over the course of one cigarette. Not sure if good thing or bad thing, I guess we'll find out come D2 or 3.
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) Alakaslam
3) Chezinu
4) Vivax
5) LightningStrike
6) DarthPunk
7) Onegu
8) Koshi
9) die_meatbaby
10) raynpelikoneet
11) Meapak_Ziphh
12) marvellosity
13) VisceraEyes
I think there's exactly one mafia inside marv/DP but I don't know which and I don't want to lynch either today. I'm leaning toward DP being the maf based on interactions with not-marv.
I think mayor today should be DMB. The discord stuff is about Viv and rayn right? I disagree with his reasoning, but it feels SOOOOOOOO townie, like...newer mafia would be scared to even MENTION Discord right? IDK meta is meta but I'd follow meat anywhere this phase. Including (ugh) onto one of my townreads.
MZ town for wanting to townread me. That's a town thing to want. I have a lot of townreads, so I think there's at least 1, maybe 2 mafia in the lurking class. I think a D1 lurker lynch is in order, my vote will reflect that. Ok let's walk through this so that I understand. You say that there's one mafia between Marv/DarthPunk and it's probably DP, does that mean you'd want to lynch Marv if DP flipped town? I'm always a little hesitant to accept reasoning like that. Right now I've got a slight town read on DP but if we lynched Marv and he flipped green, I don't think that would necessarily be alignment indicative to DP.
I'm not usually one to draw it out like that either, that's just how I'm seeing things now...and like I said it's kinda moot right now because I don't want to lynch either of them. They're both maf players that will help me catch their teammates at least early on, so I'm into letting them. That reasoning is....commonplace, so marv taking issue with it is...interesting. He REALLY don't like the idea of lynching into lurkers it seems, which makes me WAAAAAAY more into doing so. Like I said, he helping me out :D
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