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On May 04 2019 07:54 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Try and lynch me if you think it's fake. Good fucking luck. Can you respond to my actual points? It makes no sense for me to have done what I did if I was mafia. It would be extremely counter productive ,my teammates could have gotten super super super pissed at me, and maybe I would even be banned or something crazy if I did something as stupid as that.
The more you talk about how much of a towny move it was the less towny you look unfortunately for you.
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That's fine, the only reason I say it is because everyone doesn't fucking realize it, and the fact I'm up for lynch. I wouldn't be talking about it otherwise.
And you need to address it anyway. You think I'm just a prolific busser? You think I knew that he wouldn't get lynched?
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On May 04 2019 08:35 Pandain wrote:
That's fine, the only reason I say it is because everyone doesn't fucking realize it, and the fact I'm up for lynch. I wouldn't be talking about it otherwise.
And you need to address it anyway. You think I'm just a prolific busser? You think I knew that he wouldn't get lynched?
I think you should just finish your other post. 
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Everyone realises it but everyone has been burnt by bussing before. It's a futile exercise, especially when I can almost guarantee the first post in the mafia qt is vivax telling his team to bus him.
You asking for all the cred is bad.
Your post after the day post basically screaming for cred didn't help, looked pretty fake.
Your lack of night activity because it was oh so obvious you wouldn't die and you'd do it tomorrow into nothing looks bad.
Your d1 avoiding jock looked bad.
Your 0 real scum reads is bad.
More content will eclipse those points potentially eventually but you have to start somewhere. VE is being an absolute gentleman trying to help.
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On May 04 2019 08:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On May 04 2019 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Did you see Fecalfeast fucking BODY MZ a bit ago btw? I recommend you try and start a counterwagon on MZ! All these compliments make me uncomfortable I'm trying to encourage good play! I'll stop though.
Not that uncomfortable
It did work though, after I take the missus on a date here I may actually do a thing or two in this game, make some reads post some music you know like old times
maybe not though!
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On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more?
Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell?
I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed.
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I think MZ is okay for reasons previously stated, but also that his main reason for wanting to lynch me is not about any of the Day 1 stuff (which I can maybe understand), but instead my N1 comments (which are null or stupid at best imo). His constant questions is concerning, but I don't feel very strongly on him. Mostly lean scum.
But his post about not knowing what time the lynch is seems more townie than scum. At least, it seems genuine (which makes me think he's more likely town because I feel like scum tend to be more invested, more aware of deadlines, etc...). Makes me a bit hesitant.
But I think BC is a better option for today. I just get a huge mafia vibe from him.
Outside of his very early posts on Jock (5 days ago), he's only posted without advocating, which is exactly what he does in his mafia posts.
Take a look at his filter and posts that aren't asking questions or defending himself, and see what exists:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 02 2019 00:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Order of people who need to be lynched currently.
Jock
Rels
FF
Rels and FF are interchangeable atm.
If Igrok isn't modkilled then add him to that list if he magically comes back to hit the minimum post requirements.
In terms of everyone else.
BC - Town
Pandain - lean town
WBG -lean town
HF - lean town
VE - Lean town
Koshi - Neutral
Rayn - Neutral
Grack, MZ and Vivax are all on my watch list atm as they arent performing as they should as town. On May 03 2019 04:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mostly caught up at the moment.
Pandain/Grack are both shady to me thus far from what i've read. Mainly as both of them have been fairly active overall but the content they have both posted is basically non existent. This is very very similar to how Pandain posted in end of the world mafia. Ie situationally active and talks about things but never seriously pushes them. Trying to hard imo to appear as town while providing no effort. The next big tell for me is he actively agreed with the Jock Lynch but opted to vote for someone who hadn't started posting yet then swapped his vote with 0 stated reasons.
Grack literally had a filter of 0 content for how long it is so he is clearly around but not doing anything of value.
Although at this point I feel that one of HF/Rayn/Bugs could be mafia. Unsure of who. Bugs as mafia (in the past) when I have played with him has been super aggressive similar to how aggressive I can be and hes not this game. However I disagree with basically all his reads and I think he should be better than that.
I personally find reading HF and Rayn insanely hard and until I am 100% sure one of them is mafia I am not prepared for the potential shit storm that creates.
On May 04 2019 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What a cluster fuck -_-
Everything I just read screams of a town bugs vs a town HF. You two need to stop funneling eachother and take a step back and breathe ffs.
TBH if you look based purely on activity since the flip the people based on absence that look the worst.
Pandain
Rels
Me
As we have all been mia. As much as me being at work then sleeping makes sense to me, enough people in mafia lie about why they aren't around to avoid the fos so meh.
IMO the shit pandain did when he came back into thread did not exonerate him. He was a top lynch pick of more than 1 person and all hes done is appear to basically claim town cred then bounce. Given that I was already suspicious of him and the whole attempting to claim town cred and vanishing looks slimy as fuck, hes red in my mind unless he can change my mind before he flips.
The thing with rels. He was "inactive" in thread in the end of the world mafia when he and I were on a team together until he couldn't be anymore. Even then he tried to fly under the radar. However he was stupidly active in the mafia QT.
as much as part of me wants to say hes red. Currently he just looks like he has 0 time and no motivation to play. As hes basically almost at the modkill point id leave him for that / wait and see if he appears just long enough to skirt the posting / voting requirements. On May 04 2019 05:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also god help me cause im likely wrong somewhere in here.
Town /b]
VE
BC
FF
null - lean town
WBG
HF
MZ
Koshi
Null
Alakaslam
Mafia
Pandain
Grack
Rels
Essentially since 5 days he's only made list posts. No real energy, just bare posts that feign activity without actually showing an interest in changing or significantly influencing the game.
On May 04 2019 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What a cluster fuck -_-
Also it's very small, but I'm like 90% certain he posted something almost identical to this when he was mafia in end of the world with me. Just bland demeaning criticism of the thread. It could be either alignment but it rubs me the wrong way.
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Since page 6 there's been no convincing, no strong reads or pushes, anything. And this is from BC????
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On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed.
No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.
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On May 04 2019 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
Everyone realises it but everyone has been burnt by bussing before. It's a futile exercise, especially when I can almost guarantee the first post in the mafia qt is vivax telling his team to bus him.
You asking for all the cred is bad.
Your post after the day post basically screaming for cred didn't help, looked pretty fake.
Your lack of night activity because it was oh so obvious you wouldn't die and you'd do it tomorrow into nothing looks bad.
Your d1 avoiding jock looked bad.
Your 0 real scum reads is bad.
More content will eclipse those points potentially eventually but you have to start somewhere. VE is being an absolute gentleman trying to help.
I mean this stuff is not important but if anyone is to credit for the near-Vivax lynch it is me. That's just a fact.
I'll ignore the night activity stuff, yeah it sucks but I'm in the MIddle East working 12 hour days and I get busy sometimes. Even now it's 3AM and I'm staying up just so I can be active and post some and try to contribute.
And my only strong scum read up to this point was in fact... scum. So I'll be happy with that
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On May 03 2019 04:42 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2019 07:14 Holyflare wrote:On May 02 2019 03:16 Pandain wrote:On May 02 2019 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 02 2019 00:44 Pandain wrote: FIXED POST I am confused about why Jock suddenly became an asshole in this thread when the last two games he was super nice and if anything apologetic. Also his blogs are fun to read so I'm sort of shocked. I don't think he's a bad lynch and might switch to him if the votes are close. Also this is concerning: On May 01 2019 11:23 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 10:35 wherebugsgo wrote: On May 01 2019 10:29 Jockmcplop wrote: On May 01 2019 08:54 Holyflare wrote:
Oh well nothing more to add really. I think jock is way out of character and the town read(s) are pretty unjustified here. Out of character compared to when I was mafia? You gonna ignore my previous post? You should answer this, and don't even think about skipping any of the questions: Can you define what makes people suspicious? What types of things are suspicious and why would they be indicators someone is mafia instead of town?
Have you read Incognito's guide? What do you think your #1 priority should be if you are a townie? Regardless of your alignment, at your current rate, you should know you're going to be dead. In addition to that, let's see your reads. #1 priority as town for me is finding scum. And then proceedes to be super lukewarm about scum reads and doesn't scumhunt at all. You really think mafia claims this and then does the complete opposite? You'd need to be really dumb if you didn't realise this is exactly where it gets you and i wouldn't say that's a really good strategy. But it's okay, maybe the 70% of the game can talk about something else after D1 since you're gonna have your lynch. Mafia literally does it all the time. It's precisely inherently mafia to say good things and then not do them or follow them On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
Also more importantly it's not a dumb silly contradiction that could be overlooked. It's a mindset contradiction On May 02 2019 03:18 Pandain wrote:
I mean he could be town perhaps even likely. Im not even voting him. But it's day 1 so do what you do On May 02 2019 03:37 Pandain wrote:
Why are you not against the lynch when you said there was only a five percent chance he's scum On May 02 2019 03:38 Pandain wrote:
That makes no sense and is super scummy regardless of jocks alignment On May 02 2019 04:01 Pandain wrote:
If you think there's almost no chance someone is scum why are you perfectly okay with his lynch This guy is suspect numero uno. Anybody that uses the phrase "that's scummy regardless of Jock's alignment" is a guy that has tmi and makes it want to look like he's weighing up his options. Let us also not forget that he agreed with all the points on Jock, fought against rayn that jock looked scummy, said rayn was scummy for not trying to save his town read and then dropped it all to try and shenanigan with rayn. Let us also not forget that Pandain wanted to lynch rels (based on incorrect meta that was highlighted several times already) despite a wagon building on Jock, his also scum read, to make rels active again. Then when that didn't take off, Pandain, master of misdirection, avoided joining the jock wagon (his scum read) again for terrible shenanigans. Then when Jock, his scum read, flipped town (after pandain said he's probably town for no discernable reason why arguing that he was still mafia) Pandain decides to call the entire wagon on Jock, his scum read, and also maybe town read, mafia. No thanks. You mafia mate. Lynch Pandain when I'm gone. Decent argument but unfortunately it fails to keep in mind one key thing. It's day 1, and any of my reads are weak. So yes, I agreed with Jock playing weird and even suspiciously. I stated as such and even stated that I don't think he was a bad lynch. But that doesn't mean I was completely or even [b] mostly [b] convinced he was mafia. And when you're saying that I was trying to get Rels lynched despite being suspicious of jock, you totally fail to fucking realize I was more suspicious of rels than jock, so your whole argument is moot because I wanted to lynch someone who I thought was more suspicious. So when I switched to someone rayn pointed out was actually a good chance of being mafia , vivax, of course I finally switched and stayed. But especially as he didn't post at all by the end of the day, which is very different than just lurking for mosting of it, I didn't really feel confident with him either and that would just be a chance lynch. And I grew more convinced Jock was town near the end because of the complete lack of activity (there was only me and grack and rayn for the last hour), which doesn't seem like it would be likely if jock was mafia.
@HF I'm going to repost this for you re: jock since you either missed it or never responded to it.
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On May 04 2019 06:44 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 04:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 04 2019 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 04 2019 04:28 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 03:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Higher probability scum.
Bugs only looks like mafia because of how he's flailing here, now. His play before now looked pretty null to me, leaning townie. The exchange between he and HF is a tough call though - like I said before, he looks like mafia because of how "resigned" he is to his fate. He even didn't believe HF's claim all along and STILL felt "momentum to lynch" him, even after the claim was retracted.
Further, he looks worse because he ultimately believed HF - though the progression looks relatively natural, it could just as easily be him realizing the miller angle slowly, as others were realizing it too. As a townie, MY gut reaction is "WELP LOOKS LIKE WE GETEM BOYS!!!" if someone fake-claims on me, I INSTANTLY assume they're mafia trying to fuck me. It never really looked like bugs had that reaction.
HOWEVER
In the spirit of transparency, I'm not confident in my ability to accurately read bugs or his intentions. He's always been something of a wild-card to me and that frustration has bubbled over several times in our history. That could be coloring my hesitation to call him scum - I've been wrong SO MUCH before about Bugs. But like I said before - his play lacks a sharp edge that his mafia game typically has, so I've been leaning town most of the game. First few bits is why I disliked him. Guess Pandain is the safer lynch bu t I really don't care tbh. Did you not get this bit? What do you make of that VE? Also what do you make of FF saying he's down for Rels and then down for Pandain just as quickly? What do you think of me saying I'm down for a rels lynch then down for pandain just as quickly? VE obviously didn't read into it and you obviously have some suspicious thoughts about it or you wouldn't have brought it up. Or were you just trying to act like you're scumhunting by putting names in front of active townies?
I think you're just bouncing around to whatever wagon is the most convenient. Tell me why I shouldn't think that.
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inb4 Pandain ACTUALLY mafia and then bussed BC because VE convinced him it was a good idea
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Thx for the game guys this is fun
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On May 04 2019 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
inb4 Pandain ACTUALLY mafia and then bussed BC because VE convinced him it was a good idea
I have no idea why but it looked like that to me as well
I’m coming around on Pandain being scum, these posts are awful
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Pandain why did you think Vivax was scum?
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Decent argument but unfortunately it fails to keep in mind one key thing. It's day 1, and any of my reads are weak. So yes, I agreed with Jock playing weird and even suspiciously. I stated as such and even stated that I don't think he was a bad lynch. But that doesn't mean I was completely or even [b] mostly [b] convinced he was mafia. And when you're saying that I was trying to get Rels lynched despite being suspicious of jock, you totally fail to fucking realize I was more suspicious of rels than jock, so your whole argument is moot because I wanted to lynch someone who I thought was more suspicious.
So when I switched to someone rayn pointed out was actually a good chance of being mafia , vivax, of course I finally switched and stayed.
But especially as he didn't post at all by the end of the day, which is very different than just lurking for mosting of it, I didn't really feel confident with him either and that would just be a chance lynch. And I grew more convinced Jock was town near the end because of the complete lack of activity (there was only me and grack and rayn for the last hour), which doesn't seem like it would be likely if jock was mafia.
By the way I realize the phrasing is awkward here, the bolded red statement refers to rels and not to vivax.
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On May 04 2019 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
wbg goes inactive at the craziest time. Figures
Bro it’s 9 am here, I live in Asia
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On May 04 2019 09:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Pandain why did you think Vivax was scum?
On May 02 2019 04:52 Pandain wrote:
Vivax is a great lynch. He's always obvious town when he's town and super active. Compare that with this game where it is not obvious at all and he's barely contributed (but enough to "pass")
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On May 04 2019 08:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2019 08:45 Holyflare wrote:On May 04 2019 07:56 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 07:54 Alakaslam wrote:On May 04 2019 07:53 Pandain wrote:On May 04 2019 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a Jeep tell from MafiaScum, I'm sure I've explained it in your presence before.
Players who do things like congratulate the doctor on a successful save tend to be mafia. What Pandain is like the reverse of it, try to appear town by talking about how much it would suck to be mafia after the GF got killed. This is a horrible "tell" . Also it would suck to be mafia. Like I would be beyond pissed if I was mafia, especially if HF is actually cop and checked bugs (which I 100% doubt because Bugs seems super super town to me) how many mafia are left It's a good question. I can't help but think Doc actually saved someone or a vet got shot, because let's realize that only one person died. And I think it would be super weird for mafia to have 1kp. Anyway that doesn't answer your question. If I had to guess 2 more? Wtf kind of theory is this by the way? Where does it say anything about any kind of extra mafia kp role in op? Are you trying really badly to fake a dumb tell? I even had to read the op to make sure. I hooe you're impressed. No my point is that only one person died. So are we just assuming that mafia has one kp? Probably not, then town would be hugely advantaged. So the fact that only one person died suggests there was a medic save or a vet got shot.
What games have you played in when mafia have more than 1kp in a normal sized game?
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