this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
Well, that's not correct. 2 options say "no", 1 sais "perhaps", 1 sais "yes", 1 is obviously a fun option.
On April 17 2019 18:43 Harris1st wrote: @fronkschnonk These are some fair points. I can accept these. AFAIK everyone can qualify for IEM, making it the hardest tournament playerbase
Yes, as I said, IEM is the one exception. But the difference is a very minor one, considering that only very few foreigners actually make it into Ro16 of IEM (around 2-4 foreigners) and that some great foreigners are normally also trying to qualify for GSL (for season 2 this year we have special and scarlett in there).
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
I agree, though I tend to not take it too seriously.
As for your argument. I think Maru is G, but he is not really OAT. His skill level might be the highest ever (as in if he were to 1v1 past champions), but that doesn't necessarily make him the greatest in my opinion. Different times, different challenges.
I think if he can win 1 more tournament, of pretty much any level internationally, or another GSL if that comes first, then he'd probably just statistically be a person you couldn't deny that title anymore. He's really been doing some amazing stuff o:
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
Well, that's not correct. 2 options say "no", 1 sais "perhaps", 1 sais "yes", 1 is obviously a fun option.
On April 17 2019 18:43 Harris1st wrote: @fronkschnonk These are some fair points. I can accept these. AFAIK everyone can qualify for IEM, making it the hardest tournament playerbase
Yes, as I said, IEM is the one exception. But the difference is a very minor one, considering that only very few foreigners actually make it into Ro16 of IEM (around 2-4 foreigners) and that some great foreigners are normally also trying to qualify for GSL (for season 2 this year we have special and scarlett in there).
IEM is closest to GSL difficulty. But still - you have higher ping when playing US or European qualis on their servers which makes the environment slightly better for foreigners(which means shit for NA qualifiers as they were dominated by Koreans, but makes a case for European qualication).
Ok, here you have some helpful datas regarding the players concurring for the GOAT title(I am deliberately excluding accomplished and relevant ones like MMA, Polt and MC since they are rarely involved in the discussion). This is mostly based on "Premier tournament medalists", a page on Liquipedia; I am adding Major victories, career lenght(from the first to the last "result" on player's Liquipedia page, excluding Taeja's* after the military since no player is performing well after being discharged from the army) and a brief comment, while not mentioning placements a player has not reached(I won't write "zero second places", for instance); I am only considering results in individual tournaments.
TAEJA(Career span: 72 months*, still active): -11 Premier titles(4 Dreamhacks, 3 HSC, 2 Asus Rog, 1 IEM, 1 MLG); -2 second places(Dreamhack, Red Bull battleground); -1 third place(Dreamhack); -11 semifinals( 2 Code S, 2 IEM, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, Code A, HSC, WCS AM, MLG, Dreamhack).
He's the one with the most victories(deadly in the finals with his 11-2 score) and ro4 appearances in Premier tournaments; however, he is missing a korean title and the tournaments he won aren't the hardest on average. His wrists problems are probably the reason of his decay after 2014.
LIFE(Career span: 53 months): -10 Premier titles(2 Code S, 2 IEM, 2 MLG, WCS Global final="BlizzCon", GSL Blizzard Cup, Dreamhack, Iron Squid); -4 second places(2 Dreamhack, WCS Global finals="BlizzCon", Team Liquid's SL); -6 semifinals(Code S, StarLeague, KeSpa Cup, IEM, Dreamhack, Asus ROG); -3 Major titles(Kung fu Cup, The Big One, Ritmix RU);
Two code S victories mixed in with the most prestigious international tournaments resulting in a double Triple Crown; a bonjwa-like run in 2012/2013 with 5/8 premier tournaments won in five months. He matchfixed and was rightfully banned a few months after being a map away from his second BlizzCon.
MVP(Career span: 45 months): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, BlizzCon, World Cyber Games, GSL World Cup="GSL vs the World", IEM, MLG, WCS EU); -3 second places(2 Code S, Code A); -5 semifinals(Code S, WCS Season finals, Blizzard Cup, IEM, MLG); -1 fourth place(MLG); -2 Major titles(Gainward, Team Ace Invitational).
Great success in GSL added to the most important international titles leading to two Triple Crowns; he had the single best year(2011, 6/15 Premier plus 2 Major and several minors) in non region locked Sc2. He was forced to retire relatively early due to crippling issues at his back.
INNOVATION(Career span: 81 months, still active): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, 2 IEM, WESG, GSL vs the World, WCS Season finals, StarLeague); -2 second places(Code S, Dreamhack); -1 third place(MLG); -6 semifinals(Code S, OSL, GSL Super Tournament, Dreamhack, Asus Rog, MSI beat it); -1 fourth place(Dreamhack); -4 Major titles(HSC, Destiny I, Wardi TL's map contest, VSL).
Very strong achievements in Korea(GSL results comparable with Mvp's and one StarLeague) and good international results; he's the one with the most Major victories on top of that.
MARU(Career span: 103 months, still active): -7 Premier titles(4 Code S, OSL, StarLeague, WESG); -2 second places(WESG, IEM); -1 third place(WESG); -9 semifinals(4 Code S, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, GSL vs the world, IEM, Hot6ix Cup); -1 Major title(Asia Starcraft League).
The best achievements in korean tournaments(the only "korean Triple Crown", most Code S victories and all consecutive) with very limited international success; he's the one with the least titles(in this list) but sports a very dominant run in 2018(almost bonjwa-like despite partially overlapping with Serral's). He is currently the highest earner.
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
Well, that's not correct. 2 options say "no", 1 sais "perhaps", 1 sais "yes", 1 is obviously a fun option.
On April 17 2019 18:43 Harris1st wrote: @fronkschnonk These are some fair points. I can accept these. AFAIK everyone can qualify for IEM, making it the hardest tournament playerbase
Yes, as I said, IEM is the one exception. But the difference is a very minor one, considering that only very few foreigners actually make it into Ro16 of IEM (around 2-4 foreigners) and that some great foreigners are normally also trying to qualify for GSL (for season 2 this year we have special and scarlett in there).
IEM is closest to GSL difficulty. But still - you have higher ping when playing US or European qualis on their servers which makes the environment slightly better for foreigners(which means shit for NA qualifiers as they were dominated by Koreans, but makes a case for European qualication).
I’ve always felt they were borderline as hard in difficulty, foreign LANs in general, outside of format and travel usually the amount of people who one would consider genuine title contenders to win a GSL or a weekender isn’t all that different.
GSL takes a while to get through as well, absolute not to knock it, I like the format. On the other hand guys can be in good shape and qualify and subsequently slump, or guys who miss out can get into a shape that would have seen them as contenders if they were parachuted in later.
The shorter lag time between qualification for some foreign LANs and the tournament actually happening can conceivably be a better snapshot of quite who is in form for that particular tournament.
Blizzcon being the culmination of a circuit you see this quite a lot too. It’s not all that common at least to my recollection that the consensus overall best player that year also wins Blizzcon
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
Well, that's not correct. 2 options say "no", 1 sais "perhaps", 1 sais "yes", 1 is obviously a fun option.
On April 17 2019 18:43 Harris1st wrote: @fronkschnonk These are some fair points. I can accept these. AFAIK everyone can qualify for IEM, making it the hardest tournament playerbase
Yes, as I said, IEM is the one exception. But the difference is a very minor one, considering that only very few foreigners actually make it into Ro16 of IEM (around 2-4 foreigners) and that some great foreigners are normally also trying to qualify for GSL (for season 2 this year we have special and scarlett in there).
IEM is closest to GSL difficulty. But still - you have higher ping when playing US or European qualis on their servers which makes the environment slightly better for foreigners(which means shit for NA qualifiers as they were dominated by Koreans, but makes a case for European qualication).
Well, playerwise IEM should be harder theoretically, shouldn't it? All relevant Korean players (except Classic T.T) flew to Katowice in order to qualify via open bracket. This ways IEM featured all top Koreans plus the few very best foreigners which should be slightly better than "only" all top Koreans.
On April 17 2019 20:38 RogerChillingworth wrote: this is a horrible poll. 4 options say "no" and 1 option says "ABSOLUTELY".
Like, he's clearly the greatest because even players like inno and mvp were dominant in a time of everyone being worse at the game, and also a lesser iteration of the game in WoL and HotS.
As of right now, it's Maru. He is the most skilled player we've ever had, even if he trips at foreign tournaments at the moment. Honestly just don't think he prepares at all for those.
Well, that's not correct. 2 options say "no", 1 sais "perhaps", 1 sais "yes", 1 is obviously a fun option.
On April 17 2019 18:43 Harris1st wrote: @fronkschnonk These are some fair points. I can accept these. AFAIK everyone can qualify for IEM, making it the hardest tournament playerbase
Yes, as I said, IEM is the one exception. But the difference is a very minor one, considering that only very few foreigners actually make it into Ro16 of IEM (around 2-4 foreigners) and that some great foreigners are normally also trying to qualify for GSL (for season 2 this year we have special and scarlett in there).
IEM is closest to GSL difficulty. But still - you have higher ping when playing US or European qualis on their servers which makes the environment slightly better for foreigners(which means shit for NA qualifiers as they were dominated by Koreans, but makes a case for European qualication).
IEM has OFFLINE qualifiers. Just like GSL.... I really don't see the relevance of pings here
On April 17 2019 23:10 Xain0n wrote: Ok, here you have some helpful datas regarding the players concurring for the GOAT title(I am deliberately excluding accomplished and relevant ones like MMA, Polt and MC since they are rarely involved in the discussion). This is mostly based on "Premier tournament medalists", a page on Liquipedia; I am adding Major victories, career lenght(from the first to the last "result" on player's Liquipedia page, excluding Taeja's* after the military since no player is performing well after being discharged from the army) and a brief comment, while not mentioning placements a player has not reached(I won't write "zero second places", for instance); I am only considering results in individual tournaments.
TAEJA(Career span: 72 months*, still active): -11 Premier titles(4 Dreamhacks, 3 HSC, 2 Asus Rog, 1 IEM, 1 MLG); -2 second places(Dreamhack, Red Bull battleground); -1 third place(Dreamhack); -11 semifinals( 2 Code S, 2 IEM, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, Code A, HSC, WCS AM, MLG, Dreamhack).
He's the one with the most victories(deadly in the finals with his 11-2 score) and ro4 appearances in Premier tournaments; however, he is missing a korean title and the tournaments he won aren't the hardest on average. His wrists problems are probably the reason of his decay after 2014.
LIFE(Career span: 53 months): -10 Premier titles(2 Code S, 2 IEM, 2 MLG, WCS Global final="BlizzCon", GSL Blizzard Cup, Dreamhack, Iron Squid); -4 second places(2 Dreamhack, WCS Global finals="BlizzCon", Team Liquid's SL); -6 semifinals(Code S, StarLeague, KeSpa Cup, IEM, Dreamhack, Asus ROG); -3 Major titles(Kung fu Cup, The Big One, Ritmix RU);
Two code S victories mixed in with the most prestigious international tournaments resulting in a double Triple Crown; a bonjwa-like run in 2012/2013 with 5/8 premier tournaments won in five months. He matchfixed and was rightfully banned a few months after being a map away from his second BlizzCon.
MVP(Career span: 45 months): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, BlizzCon, World Cyber Games, GSL World Cup="GSL vs the World", IEM, MLG, WCS EU); -3 second places(2 Code S, Code A); -5 semifinals(Code S, WCS Season finals, Blizzard Cup, IEM, MLG); -1 fourth place(MLG); -2 Major titles(Gainward, Team Ace Invitational).
Great success in GSL added to the most important international titles leading to two Triple Crowns; he had the single best year(2011, 6/15 Premier plus 2 Major and several minors) in non region locked Sc2. He was forced to retire relatively early due to crippling issues at his back.
INNOVATION(Career span: 81 months, still active): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, 2 IEM, WESG, GSL vs the World, WCS Season finals, StarLeague); -2 second places(Code S, Dreamhack); -1 third place(MLG); -6 semifinals(Code S, OSL, GSL Super Tournament, Dreamhack, Asus Rog, MSI beat it); -1 fourth place(Dreamhack); -4 Major titles(HSC, Destiny I, Wardi TL's map contest, VSL).
Very strong achievements in Korea(GSL results comparable with Mvp's and one StarLeague) and good international results; he's the one with the most Major victories on top of that.
MARU(Career span: 103 months, still active): -7 Premier titles(4 Code S, OSL, StarLeague, WESG); -2 second places(WESG, IEM); -1 third place(WESG); -9 semifinals(4 Code S, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, GSL vs the world, IEM, Hot6ix Cup); -1 Major title(Asia Starcraft League).
The best achievements in korean tournaments(the only "korean Triple Crown", most Code S victories and all consecutive) with very limited international success; he's the one with the least titles(in this list) but sports a very dominant run in 2018(almost bonjwa-like despite partially overlapping with Serral's). He is currently the highest earner.
LOL... So much work, and so little value. GSL/Blizzcon has the same value as HSC/Asus Rog/WESG?
Then lets also count Proleague. Counting that Taeja is completely out of the equation and Maru is again, the strongest.
And shouldnt we also count monthly Olimoleagues or Leifeng? They are much more "premiere" than some tournies in your list in terms of competition.
At this point I am honestly just surprised that you did not list Serral there
On April 17 2019 23:37 Xain0n wrote: If you want to have a look at the individual achievements of the potential GOAT, check my previous post.
I frankly don't see how Maru could be considered undisputed GOAT.
Because you're ignoring PL and look just at numbers.
They’re still some good numbers to have laid out in such a manner. Career spans especially, I had a vague idea of all of them but was a bit off in some, so having them all gathered like that I liked.
As much as I loved Proleague and think it’s undervalued in such discussions, it’s just adding a variable to the GOAT discussion that didn’t even exist for Mvp especially.
I'd still put Innovation > Maru for now, but Maru's getting close and another big win may be enough to give him the top spot. However, a lot of people chanting Maru for GOAT it seems have some recency bias. Would be cool to see Inno take another premier this year and really add fuel to the fire
On April 17 2019 23:10 Xain0n wrote: Ok, here you have some helpful datas regarding the players concurring for the GOAT title(I am deliberately excluding accomplished and relevant ones like MMA, Polt and MC since they are rarely involved in the discussion). This is mostly based on "Premier tournament medalists", a page on Liquipedia; I am adding Major victories, career lenght(from the first to the last "result" on player's Liquipedia page, excluding Taeja's* after the military since no player is performing well after being discharged from the army) and a brief comment, while not mentioning placements a player has not reached(I won't write "zero second places", for instance); I am only considering results in individual tournaments.
TAEJA(Career span: 72 months*, still active): -11 Premier titles(4 Dreamhacks, 3 HSC, 2 Asus Rog, 1 IEM, 1 MLG); -2 second places(Dreamhack, Red Bull battleground); -1 third place(Dreamhack); -11 semifinals( 2 Code S, 2 IEM, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, Code A, HSC, WCS AM, MLG, Dreamhack).
He's the one with the most victories(deadly in the finals with his 11-2 score) and ro4 appearances in Premier tournaments; however, he is missing a korean title and the tournaments he won aren't the hardest on average. His wrists problems are probably the reason of his decay after 2014.
LIFE(Career span: 53 months): -10 Premier titles(2 Code S, 2 IEM, 2 MLG, WCS Global final="BlizzCon", GSL Blizzard Cup, Dreamhack, Iron Squid); -4 second places(2 Dreamhack, WCS Global finals="BlizzCon", Team Liquid's SL); -6 semifinals(Code S, StarLeague, KeSpa Cup, IEM, Dreamhack, Asus ROG); -3 Major titles(Kung fu Cup, The Big One, Ritmix RU);
Two code S victories mixed in with the most prestigious international tournaments resulting in a double Triple Crown; a bonjwa-like run in 2012/2013 with 5/8 premier tournaments won in five months. He matchfixed and was rightfully banned a few months after being a map away from his second BlizzCon.
MVP(Career span: 45 months): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, BlizzCon, World Cyber Games, GSL World Cup="GSL vs the World", IEM, MLG, WCS EU); -3 second places(2 Code S, Code A); -5 semifinals(Code S, WCS Season finals, Blizzard Cup, IEM, MLG); -1 fourth place(MLG); -2 Major titles(Gainward, Team Ace Invitational).
Great success in GSL added to the most important international titles leading to two Triple Crowns; he had the single best year(2011, 6/15 Premier plus 2 Major and several minors) in non region locked Sc2. He was forced to retire relatively early due to crippling issues at his back.
INNOVATION(Career span: 81 months, still active): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, 2 IEM, WESG, GSL vs the World, WCS Season finals, StarLeague); -2 second places(Code S, Dreamhack); -1 third place(MLG); -6 semifinals(Code S, OSL, GSL Super Tournament, Dreamhack, Asus Rog, MSI beat it); -1 fourth place(Dreamhack); -4 Major titles(HSC, Destiny I, Wardi TL's map contest, VSL).
Very strong achievements in Korea(GSL results comparable with Mvp's and one StarLeague) and good international results; he's the one with the most Major victories on top of that.
MARU(Career span: 103 months, still active): -7 Premier titles(4 Code S, OSL, StarLeague, WESG); -2 second places(WESG, IEM); -1 third place(WESG); -9 semifinals(4 Code S, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, GSL vs the world, IEM, Hot6ix Cup); -1 Major title(Asia Starcraft League).
The best achievements in korean tournaments(the only "korean Triple Crown", most Code S victories and all consecutive) with very limited international success; he's the one with the least titles(in this list) but sports a very dominant run in 2018(almost bonjwa-like despite partially overlapping with Serral's). He is currently the highest earner.
On April 17 2019 23:37 Xain0n wrote: If you want to have a look at the individual achievements of the potential GOAT, check my previous post.
I frankly don't see how Maru could be considered undisputed GOAT.
Because you're ignoring PL and look just at numbers.
They’re still some good numbers to have laid out in such a manner. Career spans especially, I had a vague idea of all of them but was a bit off in some, so having them all gathered like that I liked.
As much as I loved Proleague and think it’s undervalued in such discussions, it’s just adding a variable to the GOAT discussion that didn’t even exist for Mvp especially.
Then you could also say because Blizzcon didn't exist/was an invitational before 2012 it shouldn't count for the people who won it. Proleague was extremely important in 2013-2016 and I see no reason why it shouldn't count.
Also the players who were active in Proleague had less opportunies to travel and thus less results in foreign tournaments so I think that balances out.
On April 17 2019 23:10 Xain0n wrote: Ok, here you have some helpful datas regarding the players concurring for the GOAT title(I am deliberately excluding accomplished and relevant ones like MMA, Polt and MC since they are rarely involved in the discussion). This is mostly based on "Premier tournament medalists", a page on Liquipedia; I am adding Major victories, career lenght(from the first to the last "result" on player's Liquipedia page, excluding Taeja's* after the military since no player is performing well after being discharged from the army) and a brief comment, while not mentioning placements a player has not reached(I won't write "zero second places", for instance); I am only considering results in individual tournaments.
TAEJA(Career span: 72 months*, still active): -11 Premier titles(4 Dreamhacks, 3 HSC, 2 Asus Rog, 1 IEM, 1 MLG); -2 second places(Dreamhack, Red Bull battleground); -1 third place(Dreamhack); -11 semifinals( 2 Code S, 2 IEM, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, Code A, HSC, WCS AM, MLG, Dreamhack).
He's the one with the most victories(deadly in the finals with his 11-2 score) and ro4 appearances in Premier tournaments; however, he is missing a korean title and the tournaments he won aren't the hardest on average. His wrists problems are probably the reason of his decay after 2014.
LIFE(Career span: 53 months): -10 Premier titles(2 Code S, 2 IEM, 2 MLG, WCS Global final="BlizzCon", GSL Blizzard Cup, Dreamhack, Iron Squid); -4 second places(2 Dreamhack, WCS Global finals="BlizzCon", Team Liquid's SL); -6 semifinals(Code S, StarLeague, KeSpa Cup, IEM, Dreamhack, Asus ROG); -3 Major titles(Kung fu Cup, The Big One, Ritmix RU);
Two code S victories mixed in with the most prestigious international tournaments resulting in a double Triple Crown; a bonjwa-like run in 2012/2013 with 5/8 premier tournaments won in five months. He matchfixed and was rightfully banned a few months after being a map away from his second BlizzCon.
MVP(Career span: 45 months): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, BlizzCon, World Cyber Games, GSL World Cup="GSL vs the World", IEM, MLG, WCS EU); -3 second places(2 Code S, Code A); -5 semifinals(Code S, WCS Season finals, Blizzard Cup, IEM, MLG); -1 fourth place(MLG); -2 Major titles(Gainward, Team Ace Invitational).
Great success in GSL added to the most important international titles leading to two Triple Crowns; he had the single best year(2011, 6/15 Premier plus 2 Major and several minors) in non region locked Sc2. He was forced to retire relatively early due to crippling issues at his back.
INNOVATION(Career span: 81 months, still active): -9 Premier titles(3 Code S, 2 IEM, WESG, GSL vs the World, WCS Season finals, StarLeague); -2 second places(Code S, Dreamhack); -1 third place(MLG); -6 semifinals(Code S, OSL, GSL Super Tournament, Dreamhack, Asus Rog, MSI beat it); -1 fourth place(Dreamhack); -4 Major titles(HSC, Destiny I, Wardi TL's map contest, VSL).
Very strong achievements in Korea(GSL results comparable with Mvp's and one StarLeague) and good international results; he's the one with the most Major victories on top of that.
MARU(Career span: 103 months, still active): -7 Premier titles(4 Code S, OSL, StarLeague, WESG); -2 second places(WESG, IEM); -1 third place(WESG); -9 semifinals(4 Code S, WCS global finals="BlizzCon", WCS Season finals, GSL vs the world, IEM, Hot6ix Cup); -1 Major title(Asia Starcraft League).
The best achievements in korean tournaments(the only "korean Triple Crown", most Code S victories and all consecutive) with very limited international success; he's the one with the least titles(in this list) but sports a very dominant run in 2018(almost bonjwa-like despite partially overlapping with Serral's). He is currently the highest earner.
LOL... So much work, and so little value. GSL/Blizzcon has the same value as HSC/Asus Rog/WESG?
Then lets also count Proleague. Counting that Taeja is completely out of the equation and Maru is again, the strongest.
And shouldnt we also count monthly Olimoleagues or Leifeng? They are much more "premiere" than some tournies in your list in terms of competition.
At this point I am honestly just surprised that you did not list Serral there
I did not decide what is a Premier tournament and what is not, you can't complain with me; tell Liquipedia xd. This one is a list, weighting the titles is arbitrary(and you certainly aren't the fittest one with all this Olimoleague babbling); Serral hasn't won enough to figure on this list. And no, I am not only looking at numbers, just read the comments under the achievements.
Also, including team league results is a questionable decision; Proleague wasn't as integral as Sc2 as it was to BW.
In any of case, all of the players I listed were in GSTL with the following results:Life(21-15 and one All Kill), Innovation(12-2, one AK), TaeJa(10-4, two AK), Mvp(10-11), Maru(9-11); I handpicked the numbers so they might need to be revised.
Only Maru(79-39, one AK, 7-5 in ace matches) and Innovation(75-41, three AK, 4-4 ace) played in Proleague; their results were very good results, even if none of them truly is the best Proleague player.