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Vivax
21733 Posts
On March 21 2018 16:38 n00bKing wrote: Yes. Has nothing to do with how Vivax is playing (or what allegiance he might be) in this particular game. Just "if I'm thinking like Vivax would think, then I'm probably wrong." You are doing a good job at making me want to lynch you. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
Regardless of what happens for the rest of the game, signing up was worth it just to see this post: On March 21 2018 14:09 Alakaslam wrote: What’s also sucks is I am a terrible communicator. Like I can see that the white truck doesn’t have a brake booster problem, but a master cylinder problem but I’m so inarticulate (and not a mechanic) that I actually convinced our mechanic he was right So now the truck has a new brake booster and a newer master cylinder :3 | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 16:40 Vivax wrote: You are doing a good job at making me want to lynch you. Huh? It wasn't even me saying it. I'm just agreeing with Mocsta about what Kelsier meant. I'm facilitating understanding between players, so votes will only be cast for good reasons. (Hint: There aren't good reasons for voting against Kelsier) | ||
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ykl
Malaysia541 Posts
Sorry, I tend to check LD from work but got stuck in an extended meeting earlier. I'll get caught up ASAP. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Slam is bouncing around a bit more, and it makes sense if I want to lynch him that his tone might be off. But the narrative is weird. His curse of chupazi is that scum leave him lying around as town for the late game mislynch finish. (I've done this myself lol ><). The story he's pushing only makes sense if he's scum. And yes, I want to see if I've finally nailed down what makes a town slam town and a scum slam scum, so that's part of it. TLDR: I think I'm probably still right here, but never like lynching a town slam lol >< @df My main reason I want to lynch noob is because his posts bore me. The first post I didn't like I already said I'm not sure makes him scum. I don't think townreading him for arrogance makes sense though. We saw that last game plenty. Really struggling with noob in general. I think I don't like how he approaches the game at all, but even if scum i find it unlikely that all of this is made up. So I have to dismiss at least most of the what's most optimal for town talk as nai. And if that's nai I can expect him to be boring because he apparently doesn't believe in finding scum d1 @.@ But what bugs me a lot and what makes me still want to keep him on the table is this I agree with her on slam but don't share any of her other reads. And I would have been on the same page as her (other than hf) last game if town. If this is actually town nk here I have no earthly clue how our reads/methods would ever align that much lol >< This nk reads very similar to the nk who couldn't stop harping on how antitown HF was last game. It's like a scummy vs towny behaviour checklist rather than how I get my reads. TLDR: I can't fathom how this nk, if he's town, could ever claim with a straight face that he sees mafia like I do. A bit irrelevant, but no, rsoultin is not our sultan. It's an amalgamation of old email addresses and part of my name that coincidentally sounds like that lol >< Also arsehole which sadly HF has stopped poking fun at. I'm not sure what I make of df. He's right that we're on different pages. I don't preclude the possibility that one or both of us is just wrong, but I understand the temptation to scumread someone for having different reads. I don't think it matters though because I don't see myself prioritizing him this phase. Will be about. Still think both slam and noob are good lynched for the above-stated reasons. Also! Right, nk asked. I'm trying to lynch scum and I'm arrogant enough to believe that's possible d1 before night actions. Also already stated that getting ppl to take stances has value so, even if you somehow think lynching a scum slam would give less info than mislynching someone who talks more under pressure, people taking stances around slam can still be valuable. I don't expect ppl to read him the way I do because experience says ppl don't read others the way I do. Doesn't mean he can't be lynched for other reasons that I might find less compelling but others like. And regardless I'm stubborn lol >< Anywho, I should look back through and see who else other than the obvious I'm willing to consolidate on. Probably ykl and sl. And palmar, though part of me wants to leave him be just cause it's been so long since I've gotten a chance to play with him lol >< Need to review conversion/tt/disinfo. Probably some others I've forgotten. | ||
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Vivax
21733 Posts
On March 21 2018 16:45 n00bKing wrote: Huh? It wasn't even me saying it. I'm just agreeing with Mocsta about what Kelsier meant. I'm facilitating understanding between players, so votes will only be cast for good reasons. (Hint: There aren't good reasons for voting against Kelsier) No you literally took Kelsiers words and turned them into other words that mean something else entirely all for the sake of finding a perspective where he said that as town. I am 99 % sure you are town cause no mafia would be so idiotically suicidal to do that but I might spite lynch you for that regardless, cause all you're doing is hampering me when I just found mafia. | ||
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ykl
Malaysia541 Posts
On March 21 2018 12:09 n00bKing wrote: lol, nearly ALL of the pressure ykl received was prompted by me. It is not my fault that he was protected by two other players, and then LEFT. The game structure only allows for me to generate so much pressure on another player, you know? I've done what I can, and it's a lot more than the many players who are neither driving discussion nor commenting on discussion nor even VOTING. Oh, I do NOT expect that number to increase. Not if those players are competent. I am always a terrible early lynch candidate, which is why I've only been lynched Day 1 ONE time. Ever. And no, I wasn't scum. And no, the town did not manage to win without me. Uhm, quick reply to this since I was picking through your filter. Err, no? The only legit pressure I got was from Mocsta much earlier. You did a single line of "more votes on ykl will be nice" into a dismissive statement when I asked something. Granted, I wasn't really around to follow up on this after, which was my bad so it didn't pan out completely. But how is someone supposed to answer this: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote: "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Without immediately devolving into a shitflinging fest that contributes nothing? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Yeah man sorry don't think that's anything either ^^; But hey, I could be wrong \o/ | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Pretend for a moment that you're 100% convinced that I'm town. Maybe the host fairy whispered it into your ear or something. Help me understand how you and I could possibly have been on the same page last game had you been town if this is an example of your town game. Because I don't see it. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
Wtf... its a paraphrase of what i wrote... | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 14:34 Alakaslam wrote: False. Since I know what actually happened, ##Vote: rsoultin I have realized she knows better. She has shadowed me in games and has played with me in many more. Eh. Perfectly happy to help you keep an eye on her, but high-activity players are poor D1 lynches. I expect her to post, I expect her to respond to people who make an effort to engage her, and I expect to be able to read her with a lot more confidence as time goes on. As much as I disagreed with her initial set of musings, I can't support a D1 lynch of rsoul. | ||
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ykl
Malaysia541 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 21 2018 17:07 n00bKing wrote: Eh. Perfectly happy to help you keep an eye on her, but high-activity players are poor D1 lynches. I expect her to post, I expect her to respond to people who make an effort to engage her, and I expect to be able to read her with a lot more confidence as time goes on. As much as I disagreed with her initial set of musings, I can't support a D1 lynch of rsoul. So tempted to throw shoes... | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 21 2018 17:09 ykl wrote: Actually, for all of how much I dislike the tone he takes in a lot of them, I don't really think n00bking is acting very scummy? I'm not sure if I missed anything from the context of the posts. When I say boring I mean focusing and talking about things that aren't interesting/irrelevant. Which is not something I'd like to attribute to town players. However, there is the possibility that he genuinely believes we can't lynch scum except by happy accident on d1 (or if scum just really fucks up) | ||
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Vivax
21733 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On March 21 2018 10:13 n00bKing wrote: lol, sure buddy. I'm not being scumread by a significant number of players. I'm not in the Noose right now, the number of votes on me are fewer than will be had by the eventual lynch, and there's a lot of time left in the Phase. If the scum team isn't terrified of me yet, they WILL be. In all the years I've played this game, and in all the dozens of times I've played this game, I have still never ONCE been end-gamed as Town. If I'm Town, and the scum won, then I HAD to have been dead. The scum team MUST eliminate me themselves, or get the town to do it for them, because if I'm left alive, the mafia win percentage falls to ZERO. As another player once put it, the only person who figures out the scum roster faster than I do, is the narrator. It has also been more than four YEARS since any town team I was on accidentally mislynched or vig-shot me, and then managed to win without my help. It's never happened here. Town won when the scum team failed to kill me, and town won after the scum team night-killed me, but the one time I was mislynched, is my only Town loss here. (I voted against only two players in that game, and both were scum, but even after I was mislynched, Town didn't follow my votes quickly enough to win the game without me.) If there are any players in this game more experienced than I am, there aren't many. And I expect there are none who could match my winning percentage. But keep on running your mouth.  I like this guy. Can we keep him? Pretty please 😇 | ||
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Vivax
21733 Posts
On March 21 2018 17:17 Koshi wrote: I like this guy. Can we keep him? Pretty please 😇 No, Koshi. We talked about this. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 21 2018 17:17 Koshi wrote: I like this guy. Can we keep him? Pretty please 😇 Lol, why? Though I don't mind lynching slam instead I still say his narrative makes no sense given his curse of chupazi way of understanding the game lol >< | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On March 21 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote: @df My main reason I want to lynch noob is because his posts bore me. The first post I didn't like I already said I'm not sure makes him scum. First post was actually impossible for me to make as anything but town. Again, if I were scum, I would be hoping that topic never, ever gets raised at all. On March 21 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote: I don't think townreading him for arrogance makes sense though. We saw that last game plenty. Completely agree. I cannot be townread for arrogance. That aspect of my game never goes away. On March 21 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote: But what bugs me a lot and what makes me still want to keep him on the table is this I agree with her on slam but don't share any of her other reads. And I would have been on the same page as her (other than hf) last game if town. If this is actually town nk here I have no earthly clue how our reads/methods would ever align that much lol >< This nk reads very similar to the nk who couldn't stop harping on how antitown HF was last game. It's like a scummy vs towny behaviour checklist rather than how I get my reads. Yes, a "scummy vs towny behavior checklist" is the perfect way to describe it. I have solved games before, using a literal (and physical, pen and paper) scummy vs towny behavior checklist. Where I went through each players' posts, identified each one as pro, con, or neutral, then tabulated the results, and...voila. The remaining players with the most "cons" were the remaining scum players. It doesn't matter to me if our "methods" don't line up, as long as I understand your thinking, and understand the way you've told me that you've used your methods. Your "methods" in the previous game might not have matched the ones I'd have used, but the conclusions (and the rationale used to arrive at them) all made sense, all the time (so long as the conversation had nothing to do with Holyflare). I'm not a person who has any trouble at all with following and understanding another way of thinking about something, even if I may not agree with it. If you're Town in this game, I expect to eventually be able to follow and understand the way you've formed your opinions, even if I may not agree with them. (This has already begun, in fact, just since your return.) On March 21 2018 16:49 rsoultin wrote: Also! Right, nk asked. I'm trying to lynch scum and I'm arrogant enough to believe that's possible d1 before night actions. K...how you gonna get him lynched, by saying that you don't expect other people to see what your read is based off of? I don't feel like you really care whether he is lynched or not (despite you voting against him, AND despite you saying you like to keep him around when he's Town.) Nor do I feel like you really care whether I am lynched or not. Looks a lot like the "anyone who isn't on our roster" attitude scum teams would normally take toward the Day 1 Noose. | ||
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