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Okay, let me list my points:
- slam entered the thread seeming to have less fun than my experience is when he's town
- he chided people for fast judgments, then made one himself
- picks up the 'slam whisperer' rhetoric when I have not claimed any such thing (if anything, I'm predisposed to townread him, even when he's scum) to push a narrative that scum rsoul wants to use her whisperer clout to get him mislynched d1
- this third point directly contradicts a long-standig view of the game in which slam believes scum tries to keep him as late as possible to mislynch him and win the game off that
No, I don't claim to have a god read on him. I do claim that none of this feels like town slam tone or how slam would think. And I almost never want to lynch him, which makes me more convinced that I'm probably right here.
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Ugh, why is there so many posts.
Only skimming through Mocsta's and that's a vig claim huh. Not sure how to process that but I can't see this as anything other than a bad move if true.
Need a quick break, I'm gonna come back later and read the other stuff.
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On March 21 2018 16:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 16:45 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 16:40 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2018 16:38 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 16:35 Mocsta wrote:
I dont think jt means you are town
Its more a comment on vivax logic in my opiniin Yes. Has nothing to do with how Vivax is playing (or what allegiance he might be) in this particular game. Just "if I'm thinking like Vivax would think, then I'm probably wrong." You are doing a good job at making me want to lynch you. Huh? It wasn't even me saying it. I'm just agreeing with Mocsta about what Kelsier meant. I'm facilitating understanding between players, so votes will only be cast for good reasons. (Hint: There aren't good reasons for voting against Kelsier) No you literally took Kelsiers words and turned them into other words that mean something else entirely all for the sake of finding a perspective where he said that as town.
Seriously do not know what other interpretation of his words could be considered, other than the one I posted. I'll be way way surprised, if he tells us that wasn't what he meant.
On March 21 2018 16:50 Vivax wrote:
I am 99 % sure you are town cause no mafia would be so idiotically suicidal to do that but I might spite lynch you for that regardless, cause all you're doing is hampering me when I just found mafia.
lol, oh god, not another one. You "just found mafia" did you? Stone lock, can't miss red flip right there, huh? Just like HF is gonna take the "free scum?"  Just like Mocsta and his assertion that even if Moosy is scum and we pass him over anyway, there's still enough D1 content to lynch successfully anyway??! If you're town, whichever scum read you are MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect. Since I'm town, whichever scum read I am MOST confident in, is PROBABLY incorrect.
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On March 21 2018 16:54 ykl wrote:how is someone supposed to answer this: Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Without immediately devolving into a shitflinging fest that contributes nothing?
Maybe we'll find out, as soon as you answer it?
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Let me reiterate: Kelsier said that he was probably on the wrong track since he was thinking the same way I did about mocstas post.
This is a literally impossible statement to make without a mindset where I am lock town, cause as mafia I could have other reasons other than being bad for commenting about that post in the way I did.
We can argue this to death but if you don't see it like I do, I can't help you.
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On March 21 2018 17:36 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 16:54 ykl wrote:how is someone supposed to answer this: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Without immediately devolving into a shitflinging fest that contributes nothing? Maybe we'll find out, as soon as you answer it?
Fine, if you want to be that way: Why are you voting for disformation instead of me when you're clearly scumreading both of us? I didn't see what the case on disformation was that led a straight vote.
Are you happy now.
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On March 21 2018 13:10 darthfoley wrote:
It's like if I said
"I don't eat bananas because they're healthy, I eat them because they are yellow!"
Followed by an explanation of
"Indeed, bananas are yellow because they have lots of vitamins and minerals that will help you live a long and happy life. That's why I eat bananas. "
The explanation doesn't fit with why I stated that I eat bananas.
Expecting a town read from koshi and rayn for making a banana analogy.
The only thing you should expect is a letter from my lawyer demanding royalties.
It is a good analogy though. If it is true and not about rsoultin which I suspect it is. Because I already said she was town.
Exo is also town. Free read.
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On March 21 2018 17:02 rsoultin wrote:
Help me understand how you and I could possibly have been on the same page last game had you been town if this is an example of your town game..
Because we WERE on the same page last game. lol
When playing scum, I am never unaware of what the town me would be thinking and feeling. And I deviate from it only if furthering or protecting the scum agenda has taken precedence over "looking and acting precisely as I would while town" for that moment. You and I consistently held (and stated) the same opinions in that game, on one issue after another. The only subject on which you and town me differed was Holyflare.
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On March 21 2018 13:13 Tictock wrote:Bah, don't have as much time as I would have liked after showering/getting rdy for bed. I dislike not having any posts from Rels or Sicklucker, but I agree with Rsoul (?) that it is a bad idea to lynch them as it is kinda a waste and at best a coinflip. I don't want to lynch (in no particular order) Holyflare + Show Spoiler +Seems invested, digging at things that catch his attn, has attitude , Mocsta + Show Spoiler +pushing his reads, checking filters/meta, forgot about his post restriction kus he got into the game, dumbtell , Vivax + Show Spoiler +Agressive and involved play, have agreed with/had similar thought process , raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +honestly less sure about rayn atm (moosy thing and having a hard time recalling what he has done without double checking), but potentially strong town who gave me town vibes earlier , KelsierSC + Show Spoiler +quite active and pushing his reads, has multiple times shown eagerness to question things to get a better understanding . I probably wouldn't lynch these people (weak-leaning town), Conversion + Show Spoiler +several of his posts showed a fire in them I don't expect from mafia, I remember liking his response to early pressure , rsoultin + Show Spoiler +potentially strong town, felt a bit off but prob just kus I disagreed with early slam read , disformation + Show Spoiler +probably just have a soft spot for him kus we started playing here around the same time, but nothing has really struck me as scummy , Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +dat mind-meld, he reacted exactly the same way I did to a few of Moosy's posts Jury is out on these folks, Alakaslam + Show Spoiler +had good vibes from him early, has dropped off. Head says he could easily be mafia, gut wants to town read him still , darthfoley + Show Spoiler +really low impact, sorta agreed with a couple of his posts , ykl + Show Spoiler +can't remember if he has posted at all recently nor much of what he did early on tbh, didn't get any scum vibes off him though and kinda just want to see more Probably mafia in: ExO_ + Show Spoiler +Other than the interaction with KSC, haven't seen anything to change my early read , n00bking + Show Spoiler +Claims to be invaluable but seems to do nothing but argue , Palmar + Show Spoiler +Almost no read on him, but I feel like he is lacking the fire and passion I have seen from Palmar before , Koshi + Show Spoiler +If he has posted anything since the start of this phase it left no impact, very un-Koshi-like Bleh, guess this became basically just a list post. Was hoping to organize my thoughts better, and I'm not super happy with where I am kus there are a ton of people I would like to filter. I will not be doing that though as I am not tryharding this game and I will prob only have time to catchup before deadline. I'm fine with any lynch as long as it's someone if my "joury's out" or "prob mafia" list.
Another free townread till forever. Ezgame. I should slow down a bit
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-flicks noob- if you're trying to 'understand' me, the answer to your question about slam is already in the post you just quoted from
And obviously i prefer a slam lynch. But if that doesn't materialize, I want to refine my other reads.
And I really don't see how your list vs my gut with only a little logic mixed in yields the same reads to such an extent that my having different reads than you d1 is enough to not want to vote slam whom you agree with me on!
Plus you simultaneously say
You don't care who gets lynched, must be scum!
And
Anyone who is certain of who they're lynching is bad because they're probably wrong
Makes any earthly sense. It's like...stop being bad. But don't stop too much because townies are bad, and not being bad makes people scum.
How does that even make sense?
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On March 21 2018 17:40 Vivax wrote:
Let me reiterate: Kelsier said that he was probably on the wrong track since he was thinking the same way I did about mocstas post.
This is a literally impossible statement to make without a mindset where I am lock town, cause as mafia I could have other reasons other than being bad for commenting about that post in the way I did.
We can argue this to death but if you don't see it like I do, I can't help you.
And mocsta explained to you that it isn't about that post or even this game. It's just about what he called "Vivax logic" in general. That's how it reads to me as well.
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On March 21 2018 17:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 17:02 rsoultin wrote:
Help me understand how you and I could possibly have been on the same page last game had you been town if this is an example of your town game.. Because we WERE on the same page last game. lol When playing scum, I am never unaware of what the town me would be thinking and feeling. And I deviate from it only if furthering or protecting the scum agenda has taken precedence over "looking and acting precisely as I would while town" for that moment. You and I consistently held (and stated) the same opinions in that game, on one issue after another. The only subject on which you and town me differed was Holyflare.
Lol I just...am flabbergasted at how many ppl think they know what they'd think if they didn't have perfect information. I really am.
Because I haven't the faintest.
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Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.
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On March 21 2018 14:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1. And this is the beauty of smashboards. They play blue way better than we do folks. Listen, how did I know Noobking was scum? PASSIVE VOICE. But passive even for him. We usually are all very active voices, but his is more often passive. We are very much gone readers here. BUT HE IS HELLUVA LOT LESS PASSIVE. Consider that before lynching him.
I dont want to lynch noobking except when Slam gives the go. Then I will want to lynch him with the heat of a thousand suns.
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On March 21 2018 17:40 ykl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 17:36 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 16:54 ykl wrote:how is someone supposed to answer this: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Without immediately devolving into a shitflinging fest that contributes nothing? Maybe we'll find out, as soon as you answer it? Fine, if you want to be that way: Why are you voting for disformation instead of me when you're clearly scumreading both of us? I didn't see what the case on disformation was that led a straight vote. Are you happy now.
That does not answer the question. Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Why is the word "instead" in your post?
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On March 21 2018 17:30 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, let me list my points:
- slam entered the thread seeming to have less fun than my experience is when he's town
- he chided people for fast judgments, then made one himself
- picks up the 'slam whisperer' rhetoric when I have not claimed any such thing (if anything, I'm predisposed to townread him, even when he's scum) to push a narrative that scum rsoul wants to use her whisperer clout to get him mislynched d1
- this third point directly contradicts a long-standig view of the game in which slam believes scum tries to keep him as late as possible to mislynch him and win the game off that
No, I don't claim to have a god read on him. I do claim that none of this feels like town slam tone or how slam would think. And I almost never want to lynch him, which makes me more convinced that I'm probably right here.
This is important! The master of chupazi has abandoned his chupazi mindset.
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On March 21 2018 17:47 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really wanna lynch noob over other names that I haven't created a narrative for yet.
This is why I love when you are scum
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On March 21 2018 17:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 14:16 Alakaslam wrote:On March 21 2018 08:57 n00bKing wrote:On March 21 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
Also idk his first post asking how many mafia there are really rubs me the wrong way. What strategic desicions could knowing that help inform on D1/D2? Here's a strategic decision that would be informed on D2 by knowing how many mafia the game started with: WHO TO LYNCH. If you know how many members of the mafia there are, you know how many kills they can execute. Then you can see if any are "missing." If you don't know how many to expect, then a healer doesn't know whether to have added trust toward the target he healed. A roleblocker or jailkeeper doesn't know whether to have added suspicion toward their own target. Circumstantial evidence yielded by the night results will very often outweigh whatever inclinations players previously had, about who "seemed" town and who "seemed" scummy. Instead of the pure guessing game of Day 1, you have hard data to work with...IF you know how many mafia members there are. So it's CRITICAL information. Unfortunately, the OP doesn't even give us a RANGE of possible answers. There's literally nothing keeping this from being an 11/9 setup at this point. Or 19/1. And this is the beauty of smashboards. They play blue way better than we do folks. Listen, how did I know Noobking was scum? PASSIVE VOICE. But passive even for him. We usually are all very active voices, but his is more often passive. We are very much gone readers here. BUT HE IS HELLUVA LOT LESS PASSIVE. Consider that before lynching him. I dont want to lynch noobking except when Slam gives the go. Then I will want to lynch him with the heat of a thousand suns.
Like, I don't understand any of what he said there, about "passive voice." But sure, when he gives the go....thousand suns. Also, you are mostly still killing it, this game. So keep up the good work.
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hum.
gonna have to retract the + on nk for a least not posting in hard to read wots all the time.
also irritated he calls me a great lynch without explaining why (unless i missed that part in a wot). shouldn't town be more interested in pushing/actually lynchibg me? you kinds jave to explain a read for that or make a case or something.
welll. gimme sone time to properly read the wots.
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also want to look at rs/slam again.
omw to work see you later.
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