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The discussion on the 2018 budget has begun in the Parliament. Just like all right-wing governments always dreamed of since 1988 (but never dared to), and among other tax cuts..., Macron is basically going to suppress the ISF, a wealth tax on the biggest patrimonies which yields ~5 billions of euros per year. Thanks to this, billionaires will for instance save dozens of millions of euros per year. According to Le Canard Enchaîné, the government is apparently trying to hide an impact assessment which details how much the 100 biggest taxpayers will save, fearing the reaction of the public opinion should actual figures be known.
A poll asked people what sentence best represented their thoughts on the matter:
1) Removing the ISF will increase inequalities between the wealthiest and the least favored 2) Removing the ISF will allow the wealthiest to invest in the French economy
Answers based on the vote in the first round of the présidentielle:
Funny... Even the most liberal electorates are barely convinced by the "trickle down" myth.
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How can the proposition of a 30€/t minimum CO2 emission pricing come from the same guy that put's forth a tax cut for the 0,1%? I don't understand.
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This is a really bad move from the European perspective. Macron is now seen as one of the main leaders of where the EU is going now and people are watching his actions outside France. This is gonna bring an easy anti-EU ammunition to the wrong hands.
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On October 19 2017 03:45 TheDwf wrote:The discussion on the 2018 budget has begun in the Parliament. Just like all right-wing governments always dreamed of since 1988 (but never dared to), and among other tax cuts..., Macron is basically going to suppress the ISF, a wealth tax on the biggest patrimonies which yields ~5 billions of euros per year. Thanks to this, billionaires will for instance save dozens of millions of euros per year. According to Le Canard Enchaîné, the government is apparently trying to hide an impact assessment which details how much the 100 biggest taxpayers will save, fearing the reaction of the public opinion should actual figures be known. A poll asked people what sentence best represented their thoughts on the matter: 1) Removing the ISF will increase inequalities between the wealthiest and the least favored 2) Removing the ISF will allow the wealthiest to invest in the French economy Answers based on the vote in the first round of the présidentielle: Funny... Even the most liberal electorates are barely convinced by the "trickle down" myth. Since when is 'trickle down' economics a Liberal thing? The only people who 'believe' in it are American right wing conservatives.
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You spend too much time in the American thread TheDwf used the word in its European meaning.
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On October 19 2017 03:49 Artisreal wrote: How can the proposition of a 30€/t minimum CO2 emission pricing come from the same guy that put's forth a tax cut for the 0,1%? I don't understand.
That's just basic neoliberalism. If third people's freedom is affected by your actions, then you need to put a higher price on it. The threat of climate change is so substantial and simple physically undeniable that even these people can't deny the fact that the price for destroying the enviroment needs to be found in a social way and cannot be left to chaos.
The same doesn't apply to inequality. There are no physical variables that can be measured and which are undeniable, hence the esoteric belief in market forces just blooms all sorts of senseless arguments in their heads. Like when you tell them that house prices are 3 times higher than some generations ago they will tell you that that's just the market and people just don't want to buy houses and that's clever anyways because you can get 0.3% more rendite if you invest in financial-product-of-the-day and rent instead. And when you tell them that the amount of money at the very top is increasing more and more they will point out that "the forbes list is still changing a lot, so there must be equal chances for everyone!". It's all statistical nonesense but they just don't want to believe it and as long as they have this fixed belief that market forces are a law of physics you would need actual physics to change their beliefs.
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It's kinda unthinkable to hear German neoliberals (FDP) propose a CO2 tax. They even want to cut subsidies for renewable energies and if they could stop the phasing out of nuclear power plants (admittedly this yet is a rather German thing to do). Basic conviction is that through a mandatory emission trading scheme market forces will find the way of least resistance to a cheap transition to a renewable future. Mandatory minimum prices are unjust infractions on the market forces.
That's where my misunderstanding might come from.
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On October 19 2017 03:49 Artisreal wrote: How can the proposition of a 30€/t minimum CO2 emission pricing come from the same guy that put's forth a tax cut for the 0,1%? I don't understand. 1) Macron is a greenwashing adept. 2) It's still a market logic, rather than a "coercitive" intervention of public powers.
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carbon taxes or cap-and-trade are proto neoliberal policies because they're using market tools to achieve the goal of emission reduction
@Artisreal
the FDP actually does support cap-and-trade (worldwide), they only oppose carbon taxes because they don't think a national policy will have any impact.
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Well yes, I was unclear on that front, apologies. I was referring to a minimum price which they still oppose from what I've read in their programme
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Spain was preparing to impose direct rule over semi-autonomous Catalonia after the region's leader Carles Puigdemont declined to categorically renounce an independence referendum, the prime minister's office announced Thursday.
Spain's government said it would hold a special Cabinet meeting and "approve the measures that will be sent to the Senate to protect the general interest of all Spaniards."
At the Cabinet meeting, the government would invoke Article 155 of Spain's constitution allowing it to strip Catalonia of its self-governance. That would take effect on Saturday, Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy's office said in a statement.
Madrid had given Puigdemont a 10 a.m. (4 a.m. ET) deadline to clarify his government's stance on a non-binding declaration of independence passed by the regional legislature following a successful referendum on secession.
But the Catalan leader insisted on keeping his options open, but that wasn't good enough for Spain's government, which had insisted on an unambiguous "no."
"If the [Madrid] government continues to impede dialogue and continues with the repression, the Catalan parliament could proceed, if it is considered opportune, to vote on a formal declaration of independence," Puigdemont said in a letter to Rajoy.
Catalonia, which includes the city of Barcelona and is one of Spain's wealthiest and most culturally distinct regions, voted overwhelmingly on Oct. 1 to secede from Spain. Puigdemont then declared independence but suspended it in nearly the same breath while calling for talks with Madrid. Catalan lawmakers also passed articles of secession.
The referendum went 90 percent in favor of independence, but with only about half of registered voters turning out. Massive street protests in favor of unity came a week after the vote.
Thursday's deadline from the Spanish government came after a similar one on Tuesday in which Puigdemont was to have given an unambiguous "yes" or "no" to the question of Catalan independence. Instead, he demurred, saying only that he wanted to pursue more dialogue with Madrid.
His vague response angered Spanish officials, with Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Sáenz de Santamaría firing back, saying "it wasn't very difficult to say yes or no. That was the question that was asked and the response shouldn't be complicated."
Ahead of the latest deadline, Rajoy on Wednesday urged Catalonia's leaders to "act sensibly" and renounce the declaration.
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Puigdemont is the biggest troll ever. Madrid is asking him for two weeks to clearify the situation, he completely ignores them. Now "Madrid impedes dialogue"... OK. And then the Spainish government is hostile towards Catalonia... Sure.
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On October 19 2017 22:20 Pr0wler wrote: Puigdemont is the biggest troll ever. Madrid is asking him for two weeks to clearify the situation, he completely ignores them. Now "Madrid impedes dialogue"... OK. And then the Spainish government is hostile towards Catalonia... Sure. He hasn't really ignored them. Madrid is trolling equally hard.
Rajoy: say yes or no if you declared independence! Puigdemont: it's not up to me, it's up to parliament, and they didn't vote. They won't vote if you come to the table and discuss the problems. Rajoy: not good enough. I asked you a yes or no question! Puigdemont: still not up to me, dude. Also, wtf is going on with you throwing peaceful activistists in jail. Keep this up and parliament definitely will declare independence. Rajoy: right, that's it! If you don't want to answer my question, I'm going forward with removing you from power.
Everybody sane: wtf both of you. Are you 12?
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Puigdemont explictly says in his letter that Catalan Parliament did not vote/approve Catalonia independence but Spanish Government is trying to make it look like a blackmail/extorsion situation.
At least, one of them seems to be willing to negotiate something... Guess who
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Weather is not climate. If you meant to say these things will become more and more frequent in the next fifty years, I can understand you. Otherwise, you’re just like the guy I know that brings up cold winters as evidence global warming is fake.
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On October 19 2017 22:50 SMaD wrote: Puigdemont explictly says in his letter that Catalan Parliament did not vote/approve Catalonia independence but Spanish Government is trying to make it look like a blackmail/extorsion situation.
At least, one of them seems to be willing to negotiate something... Guess who
The latest stories from American press make Spain look like they’re clearly in the wrong. Like, embarrassingly in the wrong. Catalonia’s leader threatens a vote in parliament if repression continues, and Spain’s government says they’re meeting for Article 155? Don’t they know they have an image problem after the violent repression of the referendum vote?
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On October 20 2017 00:57 Danglars wrote:Weather is not climate. If you meant to say these things will become more and more frequent in the next fifty years, I can understand you. Otherwise, you’re just like the guy I know that brings up cold winters as evidence global warming is fake.
Yes, "climate" will never affect us. It's an averaged statistic, it's only something that shows you how weather will be on average. You can have a 1000 thousand degree hotter climate and it is not going to kill you. What will actually kill you will always be weather. So yeah, when we are talking about climate change what we implicitely should mean and worry about is weather.
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Rain isn't dangerous. Neither is water. Drowning will kill you.
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Well, EU complaining about weather as a reason for wine shortage is quite the irony. The one and only reason for possible wine problems is EU. For a long time already it is impossible to establish new vineyards in the EU in order to keep the "exclusivity" for the current producers. I like EU as a whole, but these policies make me wanna kill someone.
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