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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
Her girlfriend and her girlfriend's husband was moving to Idaho. She had to decide if it was worth moving for love or staying. I told her the same thing I said on this thread. She decided that love would make her like Idaho, it didn't, and she eventually broke it off to move back. Personally, I'm unsure how much the husband cared about the "relationship" but he got to have threesomes so I can see why he'd be okay with it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 02:36 JimmiC wrote: Poll: When TM give examples from his life you believe them to be I've had to stop reading his posts for many reason (8) 0% true completely made up (1) some partially made up most completely made up (1) 100% true (0) 50% true with exaggeration (0) 10 total votes Your vote: When TM give examples from his life you believe them to be (Vote): 100% true Relax man. Go back to your wife or something. Chill. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
mind you it is a bit of a stretch to imagine him having friends | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 02:53 ComaDose wrote: i had to say some partially made up and most completely made up. i dont think any of them are real tho. just like maybe he had a friend that moved to idaho or a friend that was dating someone who did but he clearly doesnt live in a place where polyamory is more common than monogamy. or even so common that its not noteworthy. I think ive met 2 couples ever before that were in an open relationship? and im in a pretty liberal crowd. More common than monogamy? No. Common enough to not be surprised by? Very much so. It's not like I'm tripping over them hand and foot, but any scene with lots of artists is filled with them if you simply talk to people. The artist being the ones more open to chat about it. Is it really any weirder than serial monogamist who date 2-3 people at a time before/never committing to any of them? | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
On August 16 2017 02:57 Thieving Magpie wrote: More common than monogamy? No. Common enough to not be surprised by? Very much so. It's not like I'm tripping over them hand and foot, but any scene with lots of artists is filled with them if you simply talk to people. The artist being the ones more open to chat about it. Is it really any weirder than serial monogamist who date 2-3 people at a time before/never committing to any of them? nope not weird no one insinuated that. I also don't think "it could be worse" or "but other cultures hurt women too" is a good enough reason to stop striving to be better. no one said anything about this at all either. you were the one that called the west rapists but im glad we sorted out that you actually were trying to say that the history of women has created rape culture? or... something? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:00 ComaDose wrote: nope not weird no one insinuated that. no one said anything about this at all either. you were the one that called the west rapists but im glad we sorted out that you actually were trying to say that the history of women has created rape culture? or... something? Strange, so why say: "polyamory is more common than monogamy. or even so common that its not noteworthy." if you were not interested to know the context? As for consent: you literally pointed out how much worse other places are in the west as if it's an argument against improving things in the west. Why bring up things outside western culture at all when discussing how to improve western culture? | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:02 Thieving Magpie wrote: Strange, so why say: "polyamory is more common than monogamy. or even so common that its not noteworthy." if you were not interested to know the context? As for consent: you literally pointed out how much worse other places are in the west as if it's an argument against improving things in the west. Why bring up things outside western culture at all when discussing how to improve western culture? i can't actually believe you are not trolling now. you implied you didnt get the joke because polyamory is so common where you are. you said the west dislikes consent and i called that bullshit. are you even having the same conversation as the rest of us? like jesus christ dude i called you out on specifying the west by calling it a global issue and youre trying to turn that into me saying we shouldnt be striving to be better? where do you even come up with this shit my head hurts trying to understand your logic. my whole point was I'm in the west and rape is bad mmk | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:14 ComaDose wrote: i can't actually believe you are not trolling now. you implied you didnt get the joke because polyamory is so common where you are. you said the west dislikes consent and i called that bullshit. are you even having the same conversation as the rest of us? like jesus christ dude i called you out on specifying the west by calling it a global issue and youre trying to turn that into me saying we shouldnt be striving to be better? where do you even come up with this shit my head hurts trying to understand your logic. my whole point was I'm in the west and rape is bad mmk It is common, and for the most part I don't assume that everyone is in purely monogamous relationships because of it. And seeing as it's something that has literally happened to someone I know--it becomes even more relevant to me on an anecdotal level. Is it more common than monogamy? But monogamy is less common where I'm at than serial dating of multiple partners--something more akin to polygamy than monogamy. But maybe you still think serial monogamist or only "sort of" sleeping with multiple people at a time? Also, you're still confusing Western Culture with the western world. Those things are not the same. Look it up. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 15 2017 23:05 Thieving Magpie wrote: Like I just said, don't play innocent and coy all of a sudden. You insulted some other guy for pointing out your illogical ramblings. When did I say or imply was insulted by your statements? Don't just make things up. But I suppose that is your modus operandi. Is your head so fair and away from reality, that you actually think that we don't understand the words you are writing? Are you actually baffled that we are actually replying back to you pointing out inconsistencies and just sheer insanity on your part? Are you truly that oblivious to that you aren't as clever as you think you are, that whilst you are dealing disparaging comments on how close minded everybody but you are, we don't notice that you are rather ironically demanding people to shut up to let you have the last word?You being insulted by my statements does not make my statements malicious. As Stephen Fry says: "It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights." because, as he continues "It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what." For me to ask people why they think their understanding of things is clear to them is the opposite of rigidity--what could be less rigid than someone wanting to learn more from others. What is could be less rigid than being willing to point to the inconsistencies of supposedly common understandings to try and find the deeper truth to that subject? To ask people to think of their assumptions past just their statement and to ask them how they actually use those definitions moving forward, how do their definitions work when put into practice, and how do they respond when resistance or variance occurs to that definition in order to see whether or not their understanding is wrought from their deeply thinking about the topic or simply from their assumptions of a topic is the whole point of research. To assume you don't know what you know, and to question what is assumed to be unquestionable. If people find it offensive to do that, it is not my responsibility to make them feel better about themselves. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:28 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Like I just said, don't play innocent and coy all of a sudden. You insulted some other guy for pointing out your illogical ramblings. When did I say or imply was insulted by your statements? Don't just make things up. But I suppose that is your modus operandi. Is your head so fair and away from reality, that you actually think that I don't understand the words you are writing? If I didn't think you'd understand me I wouldn't waste time writing it. Not everything you disagree with is a slight towards you. Is repeating someone's arguments back to them insulting? Is moving forward through the logical track of someone's argument insulting? Is asking for clarifications insulting? At what point have my statements veered away from the discussion at hand? If I have not veered, then why would people be as upset as you describe. Unless I am misunderstanding you and no one has gotten upset--which is it? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: So...you either didn't read my post, or you are incapable of turning away from your one track mind. Which is it? More than once you've accused me of insulting you and others. The only reason you would think that is because you believe I have said something insulting--ie, you were insulted by what I said. If you had found nothing insulting in what I said, you would not accuse me of insulting both you and others. Being insulted by someone's arguments because they don't simply appease your expectations is your issue, not mine. Being insulted by something is not a free pass to being treated special. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:21 Thieving Magpie wrote: Also, you're still confusing Western Culture with the western world. Those things are not the same. Look it up. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say here. like not all people conform to their culture? do you have any sources i can look up the difference between western culture and western world in? as far as i understand people in the western world live in the western culture... what exactly is your point? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:49 ComaDose wrote: I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say here. like not all people conform to their culture? do you have any sources i can look up the difference between western culture and western world in? as far as i understand people in the western world live in the western culture... what exactly is your point? Not everyone in the western world practices western culture, much like not everyone outside of the western world sans-practice western culture. I can practice western culture while living in China, and someone who is Chinese can practice eastern cultures while in New York. Culture is not bound by location, but the western world is. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:52 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not everyone in the western world practices western culture, much like not everyone outside of the western world sans-practice western culture. I can practice western culture while living in China, and someone who is Chinese can practice eastern cultures while in New York. Culture is not bound by location, but the western world is. and what did i say that made you think i didnt understand that? edit: is it cause i said im in the west and i dont like raping people? cause im a pretty stereotypical canadian and so are most of my peers and we all dont dislike consent. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:53 ComaDose wrote: and what did i say that made you think i didnt understand that? edit: is it cause i said im in the west and i dont like raping people? cause im a pretty stereotypical canadian and so are most of my peers and we all dont dislike consent. Because western culture is not a person, it is the culture that people within it either follow or resist. Much like not all Africans practice genital mutilation, not all Indians practice acid burning; not all Westerners are rapists. You need to be able to differentiate the ideas of a social group and the individuals within the social group; those are not the same things. Things can occur to individuals due to the influence of cultural norms; but in the end it is all based on a choice--even if the choices is heavily skewed. You continually being unable to differentiate my problems with culture with your defensiveness with being a westerner suggests you are having a problem disassociating the two concepts. You see, you are not western culture. You and your friends are not western culture. Western culture is the space that you and your friends are inhabiting. It influences you, it blinds you, and it encourages you--but it does not define you. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10349 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:57 ComaDose wrote: I guess that would make the statement "the west dislikes consent" pretty misleading The West, as an aggregate, is definitely fitting of that description; albeit not the west as a totality. Assuming descriptors of a place have to match the totality of that space is fairly simplistic to me. It's like saying that the west, as a totality, does not rape; the statement would also be wrong because rapes do happen. But yes, clarification of how much of the totality is included on the descriptor should have been clarified. Apologies for the shorthand. With that in mind--do you feel more in-sync with our stances on this discussion? | ||
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