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On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never,  soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho  Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Dear went on a tear well before GSL final win, he was on a tear that entire GSL, his one loss to sOs notwithstanding.
And in case of GSL there's a case of someone getting there on the back of actual hot streak (Gumiho's case this season, Dear *that* season ) and case of someone getting there on the back of being that good consistently (soO in all his finals from 2014 onwards).
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On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing.
Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destroying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal.
Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb.
Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL.
Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine.
Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru.
Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
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On June 17 2017 15:38 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 15:34 Kovzirg wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho The problem is Gumiho's TvZ is much different than anyone else's even if that player (say an Inno) tries to emulate his style. I think he honestly needs to play the series similar to this one versus Classic. Speed overlords will probably be a good idea to sniff out any potential heavy aggression from Gumiho which I think we will see a good bit of. Spotting mech early too will be important which I think we will see a game or two of. Yes Gumiho style is quite unique, and as long as Soo can hold the early agression which Gumiho will most likely do, he will be fine. Soo is a monster in mid-late game.
soO is monster in mid-late against bio. But against mech all i remember of him are completely botched tech switches that left him with inability to fight whatever was left of mech army after dealing with his tech switch.
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On June 17 2017 16:01 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win). Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
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On June 17 2017 16:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 16:01 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win). Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!! You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH.
Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
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I thought Classic's PvZ was better, but weird that he tried allin because his PvT late game is really good, so i expected the same thing
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On June 17 2017 16:44 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 16:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 16:01 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win). Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!! You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had. Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
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On June 17 2017 16:45 DieuCure wrote:
I thought Classic's PvZ was better, but weird that he tried allin because his PvT late game is really good, so i expected the same thing
The point here is that in modern PvZ it rarely gets to late game because of hydra bane timings being so popular.
Classic tried to kill him with adepts and fell apart... to his own mistakes, tbf.
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Ye i was a little bit aware of the PvZ meta but trying a bo7 allin against someone like soO is a really bad idea and certainly not the solution
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On June 07 2017 21:17 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
2013: OSL
2015: SSL
2017: GSL
Maru must win 2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)?
It's happening
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On June 17 2017 17:07 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2017 21:17 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
2013: OSL
2015: SSL
2017: GSL
Maru must win 2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)? It's happening
Cliche season.
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On June 17 2017 17:15 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 17:07 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 21:17 Elentos wrote:On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote:
2013: OSL
2015: SSL
2017: GSL
Maru must win 2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)? It's happening Cliche season.
The most cliché season in LotV yet indeed.
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Never wanted gumiho or soO to win tbh
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that went well
6th time the charm
oh, he's actually down vs Gumi overall:
soO is 20–28 (41.67%) in games and 6–10 (37.50%) in matches against GuMiho
they're 5-6 in games and 2-2 matches off line
Plus vT is soO's worst match up atm, Gumi's vZ is his as well but it's quite a bit better than soO's vT
hmm..
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On June 17 2017 18:39 Fango wrote:
Never wanted gumiho or soO to win tbh
Same, I cheered for Maru but he got out-tvt-ed
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So one sided haha! Gg soO!
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On June 17 2017 16:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 16:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 16:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 16:01 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win). Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!! You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had. Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet. Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey).
I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
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soO is out of this world
GG gumiho
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On June 17 2017 19:49 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 16:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 16:44 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 16:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 16:01 SNSeigifried wrote:On June 17 2017 15:40 RKC wrote:On June 17 2017 15:30 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 17 2017 15:27 ParksonVN wrote:On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote:This is it... It's now or never, soO... We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though. This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually. And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in. Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here. All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win). Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!! You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had. Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet. Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho. The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey). I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
Fairly positive that peak Innovation would still lose to DRG in that famous series or even to semifinals soO.
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On June 17 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:Same, I cheered for Maru but he got out-tvt-ed
It would be a shame for soO to ruin his streak by actually winning, just because gumiho's TvT carried him to the finals.
I was hoping for a TY/Maru vs soO final, would not have been one sided like every finals is. Now I'll be disappointed regardless who wins because I want them both to lose :/
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