On one hand, Classic has a better shot of smashing GuMiho and winning the whole thing. On the other, as far as Terrans in the finals go, soO will never have an easier opponent.
So conflicted. Given Classic's form atm though I'm gonna have to bet on him.
This is actually really hard to choose. soO is one of my favourate players but Classic is so painfully underrated, it would be tragic for him to not make blizzcon another year dispite being the top korean protoss.
On June 17 2017 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: this is the real finals, Gumiho doesn't stand a chance against either of those.
Well that's wrong. With that being said, i can definitely say that Gumiho deserves a win right now, though i really would rather see soO (6 finals, one win) or classic (third starleague title) as the champion
On June 17 2017 05:58 Cricketer12 wrote: shocked at the majority going for soO...classic seems the safer choice
People simply also want soO to win, it would be beautiful storywise. Another finals, go soO!
I love soO but deep down I don't wan't him to actually win, just keep getting 2nd. For the sake of consistancy and memes
Understandable Though at the same time, how awesome would it be if a win makes him even better (aka he wins a few instead of only getting to the finals)
On June 17 2017 03:11 usopsama wrote: Whoever wins better win in the finals.
Someone's salty?
Anyways, applying the logic of a certain guy who thinks that Classic is literally a god: Classic has not won offline vZ series in 2 months already.
Don't think I ever called Classic a god, tbh. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth? He has a much better shot (than soO) against Gumiho because he's shown that his PvT form is insanely good.
But you are exactly right about him not showing much offline PvZ. Classic will probably have a much harder time with soO than Gumiho, if he wins.
Or we can use your online logic and conclude that Classic is guaranteed toast since he lost to Impact a couple days ago. And of course we are utterly certain that Classic gave that online match his absolute best, held nothing back, hid no builds, and prepared for weeks.
And if it so happens that you were recently also arguing with somebody else about the worth (or lack thereof) of online matches compared to offline matches and a "certain guy" isn't me, feel free to ignore this post
Oh and does anybody happen to know what that little bronze thing in the bottom right corner of my post (near the sig) means? I notice that The_Red_Viper, Pandemona, FrostedMiniWheats, have a couple too. It just appeared the other day (or maybe I didn't notice it until then).
It shows that you contributed a certain amount to liquipedia. These are the liquipedia coins. Different tiers (bronze, silver, gold, etc) and also different number of coins for each tier.
About online results: I think neglecting it completely is unfair, it definitely shows a trend at least (if the competitive lvl is high enough. Meaning you obviously cannot conclude much if it's simply farming weak opponents) But there are also good reasons to not value it as much as offline matches. So yeah if we have enough offline data i might even say that we don't have to look at online at all. But now without proleague it got harder to justify that tbh. JUst a general thought about the topic without quoting someone directly here.
On June 17 2017 03:11 usopsama wrote: Whoever wins better win in the finals.
Someone's salty?
Anyways, applying the logic of a certain guy who thinks that Classic is literally a god: Classic has not won offline vZ series in 2 months already.
Don't think I ever called Classic a god, tbh. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth? He has a much better shot (than soO) against Gumiho because he's shown that his PvT form is insanely good.
But you are exactly right about him not showing much offline PvZ. Classic will probably have a much harder time with soO than Gumiho, if he wins.
Or we can use your online logic and conclude that Classic is guaranteed toast since he lost to Impact a couple days ago. And of course we are utterly certain that Classic gave that online match his absolute best, held nothing back, hid no builds, and prepared for weeks.
And if it so happens that you were recently also arguing with somebody else about the worth (or lack thereof) of online matches compared to offline matches and a "certain guy" isn't me, feel free to ignore this post
Oh and does anybody happen to know what that little bronze thing in the bottom right corner of my post (near the sig) means? I notice that The_Red_Viper, Pandemona, FrostedMiniWheats, have a couple too. It just appeared the other day (or maybe I didn't notice it until then).
Are you literally not aware of new meaning of literally? And see, that loss to Impact is the funny one. Because if Classic gets rolled by soO in standard-ish games, i want to see you post explaining how that loss meant literally nothing.
On June 17 2017 09:48 Lexender wrote: Everyone is so salty about Gumiho being in the finals.
Something tells me he is going to pull a Jjakji and win the whole damn thing.
Which is weird because Gumiho has been crushing nerds as of late. Feels kind of like aLive showing up out of nowhere and crushing kids again.
I would have preferred Maru because Maru vs Classic or soO would have been fun imo. Gumiho against soO is probably the best matchup that could happen especially since Gumiho can switch it up and play some awesome mech games. Gumiho vs Classic though, scares me a bit. Not doubting Gumiho's bio though.
Either way, soO > gumiho > classic. So if soO beats classic he wins gsl. If classic beats soo, gumiho wins gsl. ezpz!
I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win. I predict 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s.
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s.
I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight.
I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch'
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s.
I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight.
I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch'
I dunno why a 4-2 would be insulting. If ByuN played against himself I'd predict a 4-2 (in ByuN's favour of course).
On June 17 2017 09:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: It shows that you contributed a certain amount to liquipedia. These are the liquipedia coins. Different tiers (bronze, silver, gold, etc) and also different number of coins for each tier.
About online results: I think neglecting it completely is unfair, it definitely shows a trend at least (if the competitive lvl is high enough. Meaning you obviously cannot conclude much if it's simply farming weak opponents) But there are also good reasons to not value it as much as offline matches. So yeah if we have enough offline data i might even say that we don't have to look at online at all. But now without proleague it got harder to justify that tbh. JUst a general thought about the topic without quoting someone directly here.
Ah thanks, I didn't know. Though I think I the last big update I wrote to Liquipedia has been stuck in pending for a few days....
Yeah, I definitely agree with you in that online results are useful and that sometimes you don't have a better alternative. Of course, different online matches get different weights; IEM Katowice qualifiers for instance are online but also very important to everyone involved, so it makes sense to trust them more than say Wardi or Basetrade events.
You also bring up a great point with Proleague disbanding. While it was around, Proleague was a reliable source of players' current form, because it was one event that (even more so than GSL) just about every player treated seriously and prepared seriously for. Without it, we lose a big benchmark for current players form. And of course without KeSPA we have a lot more pros in online tournaments which gives us a lot more data to work with, even if said data's quality is questionable at times.
I favor offline results much more whenever they are available, especially ones like GSL where we can be reasonably certain that the players are not holding back or otherwise not giving it their best shot. But that's hardly to say that I completely discount online results. I just consider them less significant in measuring form.
On June 17 2017 03:11 usopsama wrote: Whoever wins better win in the finals.
Someone's salty?
Anyways, applying the logic of a certain guy who thinks that Classic is literally a god: Classic has not won offline vZ series in 2 months already.
Don't think I ever called Classic a god, tbh. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth? He has a much better shot (than soO) against Gumiho because he's shown that his PvT form is insanely good.
But you are exactly right about him not showing much offline PvZ. Classic will probably have a much harder time with soO than Gumiho, if he wins.
Or we can use your online logic and conclude that Classic is guaranteed toast since he lost to Impact a couple days ago. And of course we are utterly certain that Classic gave that online match his absolute best, held nothing back, hid no builds, and prepared for weeks.
And if it so happens that you were recently also arguing with somebody else about the worth (or lack thereof) of online matches compared to offline matches and a "certain guy" isn't me, feel free to ignore this post
Oh and does anybody happen to know what that little bronze thing in the bottom right corner of my post (near the sig) means? I notice that The_Red_Viper, Pandemona, FrostedMiniWheats, have a couple too. It just appeared the other day (or maybe I didn't notice it until then).
Are you literally not aware of new meaning of literally? And see, that loss to Impact is the funny one. Because if Classic gets rolled by soO in standard-ish games, i want to see you post explaining how that loss meant literally nothing.
I did say that I agreed with you that soO would be tough for Classic to beat....not disagreeing here....
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s.
I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight.
I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch'
I dunno why a 4-2 would be insulting. If ByuN played against himself I'd predict a 4-2 (in ByuN's favour of course).
Well i did use 'slight', implying only a minor insult. It's insulting because they don't believe Classic has it in him to take soO to 7 games.
If many people thought Classic and soO were close in skill, they would be calling it a 4-3 result, but judging from some of the posters, they truly don't think Classic will beat soO. I view the lack of confidence in Classic to take it to 7 games as an insult.
But just to be clear, I don't think Classic can beat soO. soO is just too damn good, and has always shown consistent results.
In an actually serious vein, I expect close games between soO and Classic. At a guess maybe Classic 4-3 soO though I can easily see soO 4-3 Classic as well.
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3.
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3.
With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help.
The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s.
I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight.
I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch'
I dunno why a 4-2 would be insulting. If ByuN played against himself I'd predict a 4-2 (in ByuN's favour of course).
Well i did use 'slight', implying only a minor insult. It's insulting because they don't believe Classic has it in him to take soO to 7 games.
If many people thought Classic and soO were close in skill, they would be calling it a 4-3 result, but judging from some of the posters, they truly don't think Classic will beat soO. I view the lack of confidence in Classic to take it to 7 games as an insult.
But just to be clear, I don't think Classic can beat soO. soO is just too damn good, and has always shown consistent results.
I suppose.
Classic's PvZ is a pretty big question mark at the moment though and soO's pretty good at making finals so I find the prevailing lack of confidence in Classic pretty reasonable.
On June 17 2017 13:08 Nakajin wrote: SoO seems to be able to see the humour in his situation at least, good for him.
I mean, he must be at acceptance stage at this point, does not he?
EDIT: I swear, if i had a dollar for every time Mvp and soO get mentioned in same paragraph, i would not watch gsl from home. I guess that's what soO gets for knocking Mvp out GSL.
On June 17 2017 13:16 Noonius wrote: I wonder if soO is becoming a variant of Nestea and have his version of the award, an award that no-one really wants
On June 17 2017 13:16 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Tasteless is stoned! he keeps forgetting what he was talking about
you're under a false assumption that he usually knows what he's talking about. If you listen carefully, most of the game knowledge he drops (apart from the very very basic) is just repeating what Artosis had said a moment ago
On June 17 2017 13:16 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Tasteless is stoned! he keeps forgetting what he was talking about
you're under a false assumption that he usually knows what he's talking about. If you listen carefully, most of the game knowledge he drops (apart from the very very basic) is just repeating what Artosis had said a moment ago
Yeah he usually does repeat Artosis.
I was only joking. I don't think Tasteless would risk smoking a join in Korea. It's laws are tough against smoking marijuana.
On June 17 2017 13:28 Noonius wrote: somewhere literal god Gumi is watching, amused by this petty squabble we're witnessing here today over the chance to be humiliated by him in the final
I just want to hear Gumi claim he was preparing extensively for the final because losing to soO in finals would be a shame.
On June 17 2017 13:37 The_Red_Viper wrote: classic just surrender already
TBF, this game looked winnable, up until soO attacked into sentries when Classic was microing the prism
Oh yeah definitely. I wrote that after the engagement though I mean the first game was winnable as well, up until classic decided he doesn't care about probes
Well at least the rogue's curse is to end. Rogue has been fighting 8->4 for years without success, and whoever defeated him will be defeated in the semi-final.
Then soO stand out: defeated in semi-final? excuse me ?
On June 17 2017 13:46 DoubleRound wrote: Well at least the rogue's curse is to end. Rogue has been fighting 8->4 for years without success, and whoever defeated him will be defeated in the semi-final.
Then soO stand out: defeated in semi-final? excuse me ?
Rogue's curse got broken at Blizzcon, unless you don't count non-korean tournaments
On June 17 2017 13:46 DoubleRound wrote: Well at least the rogue's curse is to end. Rogue has been fighting 8->4 for years without success, and whoever defeated him will be defeated in the semi-final.
Then soO stand out: defeated in semi-final? excuse me ?
That's not even funny at this point, Classic, win a damn game, don't make it even easier semifinal for soO than his first ever Code S semifinal (against Soulkey) was.
On June 17 2017 13:41 Kaizor wrote: lol people still don't get it. Its the same formula all over again.
soO will look so impressive and be unbeatable until the finals and then choke for some mysterious reason.
Calling it now. Gumiho wins GSL against soO 4-2.
Hope is a funny thing.
"What power would hell have if those imprisoned here would not be able to dream of heaven"
Ayyyyy Sandman!
One of my favorite pieces of art ever. Great stuff.
I mean i expect classic to win at least one game tbh :O
There was a prequel and American Gods got a tv adaptation that I've heard is good.
Yeah i read the prequel, it's still high quality but obviously not the same as the long run of the main work. The american gods adaptation is pretty good, though people kinda dislike the slow pacing (i have no problem with that at all)
On June 17 2017 13:59 Noonius wrote: one can only hope that foreigners at DH today will show good games, because this right here, is garbage on a hot summer day
It was raining entire week, i had failed one of my finals and this is what i wake up to...
On June 17 2017 13:59 Noonius wrote: one can only hope that foreigners at DH today will show good games, because this right here, is garbage on a hot summer day
It was raining entire week, i had failed one of my finals and this is what i wake up to...
On June 17 2017 14:02 stuchiu wrote: While I don't rate Classic as highly as Olli as a prep player, he's generally been good. This is a disappointing showing so far.
I mean, he does look prepared, look at that 2 gate on Whirlwind.
On June 17 2017 14:00 pvsnp wrote: If soO wins GSL after this it will be an amazingly sick run. If not......
By the way, remember that 0-2 loss to Impact now, bro?
Ok, you clearly either did not read my reply to you, or just completely ignored it. There's no point in talking with you.
I missed it, is it the one where you sarcasistically imply that Classic did not care about it?
No, it's the one where I said I agreed with you that Classic will have a tough time against soO......
You got to agree that this is goes beyond having a tough time, you know.
Oh for sure, Classic really disappointing here tonight. That said, I cheer for soO most days and today is no different. I really hope he can beat Gumiho though.
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
I feel so bad for Classic. It is a brutal series. His builds are not bad at all. Very aggressive. Any lesser Zergs would die to those. The thing is soO scouted very quickly every game and defended super well.
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
Like srsly, no need for the "" :D soO's story is just incredible
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
On June 17 2017 14:09 pvsnp wrote: I thought Classic would have a better chance than soO against Gumiho, but after this abysmal showing plz soO smash Gumiho.
He will remain the lord of silver.
Gumiho is showing up and winning this
While Gumiho is a great guy and a cool player to watch, anyone with a heart has to cheer for soO
If he loses though, soO will become the greatest Kong of all time as he will have surpassed Yellow's silvers in Korean Leagues.
On June 17 2017 14:12 sertman wrote: that was THE most one sided 7 game series i've seen since beta.
jesus christ.
I dunno INnoVation vs Stats at Gyeonggi could give this a run I think....
Nestea vs Inca, you know.
Well, while Inno and Stats were both decently hyped, Inca didn't have near as much as Classic.
Well, if we had to rate the most disappointing stomps then i think soO vs Soulkey still takes the cake over this. After all, Classic lost to Impact before this series
I mean you really cannot make this shit up, soO first in 4 finals in a row, loses all of them. Now he is in the second one in a row again. Time to keep winning? Another loss? It doesn't really matter, whatever happens in the gsl finals one week from now, soO is a god. Holy shit. I really wonder what would happen if soO actually won one. No more finals ever again? Does he even get better? Man i love this story and i love soO.
Poor classic though, you could tell that he was shocked at the end there.
On June 17 2017 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean you really cannot make this shit up, soO first in 4 finals in a row, loses all of them. Now he is in the second one in a row again. Time to keep winning? Another loss? It doesn't really matter, whatever happens in the gsl finals one week from now, soO is a god. Holy shit. I really wonder what would happen if soO actually won one. No more finals ever again? Does he even get better? Man i love this story and i love soO.
Poor classic though, you could tell that he was shocked at the end there.
If soO wins GSL Mvp comes out of retirement and knocks soO out into Code B.
On June 17 2017 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean you really cannot make this shit up, soO first in 4 finals in a row, loses all of them. Now he is in the second one in a row again. Time to keep winning? Another loss? It doesn't really matter, whatever happens in the gsl finals one week from now, soO is a god. Holy shit. I really wonder what would happen if soO actually won one. No more finals ever again? Does he even get better? Man i love this story and i love soO.
Poor classic though, you could tell that he was shocked at the end there.
Maybe he will get better, because the monkey is off his back finally. Or he will get worse because he achieved what he always wanted. I want to see him winning the trophy first, and only after taking guesses. Hard to say.
On June 17 2017 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean you really cannot make this shit up, soO first in 4 finals in a row, loses all of them. Now he is in the second one in a row again. Time to keep winning? Another loss? It doesn't really matter, whatever happens in the gsl finals one week from now, soO is a god. Holy shit. I really wonder what would happen if soO actually won one. No more finals ever again? Does he even get better? Man i love this story and i love soO.
Poor classic though, you could tell that he was shocked at the end there.
If he wins...the cycle begins anew in the SSL this time
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
noooooooooo i missed the semi finals and didnt get to see my hero soo wreck evil protoss player classic. when will vods be out? i want to witness the glorious ownage
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
The problem is Gumiho's TvZ is much different than anyone else's even if that player (say an Inno) tries to emulate his style.
I think he honestly needs to play the series similar to this one versus Classic. Speed overlords will probably be a good idea to sniff out any potential heavy aggression from Gumiho which I think we will see a good bit of. Spotting mech early too will be important which I think we will see a game or two of.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
The problem is Gumiho's TvZ is much different than anyone else's even if that player (say an Inno) tries to emulate his style.
I think he honestly needs to play the series similar to this one versus Classic. Speed overlords will probably be a good idea to sniff out any potential heavy aggression from Gumiho which I think we will see a good bit of. Spotting mech early too will be important which I think we will see a game or two of.
Yes Gumiho style is quite unique, and as long as Soo can hold the early agression which Gumiho will most likely do, he will be fine. Soo is a monster in mid-late game.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Dear went on a tear well before GSL final win, he was on a tear that entire GSL, his one loss to sOs notwithstanding.
And in case of GSL there's a case of someone getting there on the back of actual hot streak (Gumiho's case this season, Dear *that* season ) and case of someone getting there on the back of being that good consistently (soO in all his finals from 2014 onwards).
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destroying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
The problem is Gumiho's TvZ is much different than anyone else's even if that player (say an Inno) tries to emulate his style.
I think he honestly needs to play the series similar to this one versus Classic. Speed overlords will probably be a good idea to sniff out any potential heavy aggression from Gumiho which I think we will see a good bit of. Spotting mech early too will be important which I think we will see a game or two of.
Yes Gumiho style is quite unique, and as long as Soo can hold the early agression which Gumiho will most likely do, he will be fine. Soo is a monster in mid-late game.
soO is monster in mid-late against bio. But against mech all i remember of him are completely botched tech switches that left him with inability to fight whatever was left of mech army after dealing with his tech switch.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
On June 17 2017 16:45 DieuCure wrote: I thought Classic's PvZ was better, but weird that he tried allin because his PvT late game is really good, so i expected the same thing
The point here is that in modern PvZ it rarely gets to late game because of hydra bane timings being so popular.
Classic tried to kill him with adepts and fell apart... to his own mistakes, tbf.
On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: 2013: OSL 2015: SSL 2017: GSL
Maru must win
2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)?
On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: 2013: OSL 2015: SSL 2017: GSL
Maru must win
2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)?
On June 07 2017 21:07 Charoisaur wrote: 2013: OSL 2015: SSL 2017: GSL
Maru must win
2013: GSL Ro4 loss against Dear (eventual champion over soO) 2014: GSL Ro4 loss against Classic (eventual champion over soO) 2015: GSL Ro4 loss against INnoVation (eventual champion over ByuL) 2017: GSL Ro4 loss against GuMiho (eventual champion over Zerg)?
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey).
I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
On June 17 2017 15:07 RKC wrote: This is it... It's now or never, soO...
We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey).
I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
Fairly positive that peak Innovation would still lose to DRG in that famous series or even to semifinals soO.
On June 17 2017 18:39 Fango wrote: Never wanted gumiho or soO to win tbh
Same, I cheered for Maru but he got out-tvt-ed
It would be a shame for soO to ruin his streak by actually winning, just because gumiho's TvT carried him to the finals.
I was hoping for a TY/Maru vs soO final, would not have been one sided like every finals is. Now I'll be disappointed regardless who wins because I want them both to lose :/
On June 17 2017 15:16 [PkF] Wire wrote: [quote] We've been saying that for too long to not know he can very well lose this finals and then get a seventh finals... certainly not what I hope will happen though.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey).
I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
Fairly positive that peak Innovation would still lose to DRG in that famous series or even to semifinals soO.
This is the best chance so far, in previous finals he always faced the strongest ones of that time: Inno, Zest, Classic, Stats... but this time he gets Gumiho, not a weak player but definitely not the strongest, i would not put Gumiho even in top 5 players atm. Moreover Soo got Inno- the best TvZer to practice, so i think he will have a good shot against Gumiho
Gumiho is like the hottest player right now, actually.
And soO is unfortunate to always draw himself a player on the hot streak in every final he is in.
Any player who makes it to a Starleague final is almost by default on a 'hot streak'. Unless, of course, if he scored a walkover or two in the run up (which didn't happen). Shine was the hottest BW player too, in the recent ASL. But his lack of track record and experience puts him as an underdog. Same with Gumiho here.
All the finalists soO had faced were not underdogs (except arguably Dear, who only went on a tear after the GSL final win).
Hard to say GuMiho is an underdog his results this year have been amazing. Top 8 at IEM Katowice losing only 2-3 to the champion TY after also destorying his group which had Dark/Innovation/ShowTime/uThermal. Won the TING Open Season 3 with a 4-0 alive and 5-2 Neeb. Loss in the Ro8 of the GSL Super Tournament 2-3 against the champion herO after also 3-1 Stats who had just won the GSL. Then following this up with a dominant performance in the TAKETV Penthouse with a 4-0 vs ShowTime 3-2 Neeb 3-0 Serral and 3-2 HeroMarine. Then finally you got this GSL run where he has 2-0 Zest 2-0 aLive 2-0 ByuL 2-0 Trap 3-2 TY and 4-2 Maru. Anyone who thinks GuMiho is a huge underdog is very much mistaken the RESULTS NEVER LIE!!!
You definitely have a point : this won't be a walk in the park for soO, that's for sure. I still believe this is the best chance he's ever had.
Nah, he had much better shot against Solar in that DH. Or even Innovation simply because Innovation did not play *mostly* mech at that time yet.
Just talking gsl finals here. As for INno, perhaps he did not look unbeatable at the time but he was far more seasoned at this level of the competition than Gumiho.
The games vs INnoVation weren't close at all. He won first 2 with roach/bane all-in, Bogus then didn't go 3CC double ebay next 4 and crushed him. Peak INnoVation isn't in any Zerg's reach (save for the disaster against Soulkey).
I also do think it's the first time when soO's opponent isn't an overwhelming favorite.
Fairly positive that peak Innovation would still lose to DRG in that famous series or even to semifinals soO.
I am not claiming it was peak inno in wcs kr s3. I am just saying that peak Inno would probably lose that series too. DRG truly worked some magic there.
On June 17 2017 20:58 kyllinghest wrote: Fantastic play from soO, what a player he is. The two players who derserve it the most are in the final, and that cant be anything but good!
Generally the finals in which two players that are deemed deserving are in end up being at best mediocre. For example: every final with Innovation in it.
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