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On December 08 2015 22:32 kogeT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote: LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears) There are still people like that around, for example Never)MVP( on iccup. Whenever he loses on his olimpic account he would beg you to leave and propose you free wins vs his other account hellkira hahaha :D
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LMAO! That's too funny. In some of the games they begged for the ally, they would have to join my "Kiss My Ass Club" and publicly kiss my ass in game. I would still kill them of course but not after a /kiss :-D
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Interesting bump. I like the idea of everything being set in stone in 2003 haha.
It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.html
I think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years.
When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol.
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Great link and so true about how people would think deeply about this game and it's strategy. I'm 35 and have literally been playing this game half my life. Through college, career, ups and downs this game has stood the test of time. I have two younger brothers and all of us would play every day. They were and still are much better than me lol! I am concerned with the direction the game is going. I still enjoy it a great deal but worry it won't be appealing enough for first timers to play it and fall in love with it like I and so many on this site have.I remember all of the Starcraft sites that used to be up with downloads for Starcraft desktop fonts, the strats, and just the passion people would put into this game. There are still many great sites like this one but will LOTV and SC2 in general be enough to light a fire in the next generation of gamers. Anyway I trailed off there but I love hearing the old names and going to the old sites and just reminiscing. Does anyone else have any old links or names they recall?
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On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one).
They sold everything the first day.
I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it.
They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..."
Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good.
Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost.
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I remember an early TL tournament, don't even know what it was called, and I played Daaman[pG], PvP. We went one gate reaver at the same time and had like 5-6 goons. He microed better and I lost. Hah. This is such a great thread. I remember going to USWest and joining all the korean channels like -ReD, ..... I can't even remember anymore!
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Well, if you wanna read some entertaining battle reports of old school games, you'll find solid gold over here: http://battlereports.com/
I'm pretty sure luckynewbie started making vods here recently. He's still a douche, but in the most endearing kind of way.
Old school SC/BW to me is pretty much summed up as pulling whatever you can out of thin air and making it work, somehow. 'cause nothing was really written in stone, having no plan was still a relatively decent plan.
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I remember when SC just came out I started the terran campaign and couldn't beat the first mission (you need to build a couple supply depots and mine 100 gas or something): 1. I thought SCVs were far better fighters than marines, they kinda looked like battle robots of some sort, they even have more hp; 2. for some reason I thought the objective was to reveal the whole map, for about an hour I flew my CC around to scout parts of the map inaccessible from ground. Talk about strategies lol.
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Very very early on, a lot of players thought turtling up was really smart/the way to go, for some reason.
Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that?
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On December 09 2015 00:03 Chef wrote:Interesting bump. I like the idea of everything being set in stone in 2003 haha. It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them. http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.htmlI think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years. When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol.
Where is Physician and where can I find his SC site?
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lol! that early strat guide is so cute. he actually calls them peons.
i do recall players rushing, and dcing a lot. you'd go and stalk someone's profile to size them up and then go beet red with jealousy because he's got a flawless record. the kicker was, his amount of disconnects were incredible, he'd always dodge, and make new accounts for actual games.
oh, and people beggingfor ally, wins, ROFL... that was insanely funny in retrospect. it was like getting a pokemon card stolen. it was so sad.
back when people pronounced it zee-lots and had their own nicknames for units. like probies, lords, lurks.
makes me realize how much history TL.net actually has, just buried somewhere. i still remember lists of livereports (probably blogs) where people posted games with a short artsy description. lol. this usually happened a lot on replay sites.
you know how much we worshipped korean players? they were like our messiah, and when replays were first getting leaked it was like porn for a teen gamer.
if you really want a good look into early-ish BW, take a look at the WCG documentary featuring artosis, day9, tasteless, and a few others. also some earlier day9 dailies, if those ever got reuploaded from his blip.tv (now closed down) where he recounts some experiences.
oh not to fucking mention those early spacesuits in the very first starcraft tournaments. that was pure gold and nostalgia.
my friends and i (who no longer play games) used to go to a friend's house every weekend and huddle up to watch GOMTV intel classic. those TGSAMBO commericals are still stuck in my head, and i believe this was still when tasteless was casting solo. he lost his shit when iris laid spider mines in front of his base and floated a barracks over it to hide it.
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On December 09 2015 11:22 [[Starlight]] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one). They sold everything the first day. I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it. They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..." Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good. Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost. I remember you telling this story awhile ago in another thread.
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On December 10 2015 01:38 Ty2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 11:22 [[Starlight]] wrote:On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote: i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one). They sold everything the first day. I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it. They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..." Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good. Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost. I remember you telling this story awhile ago in another thread.
If I did, it was months ago.
Glad it was so memorable.
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On December 09 2015 19:16 [[Starlight]] wrote: Very very early on, a lot of players thought turtling up was really smart/the way to go, for some reason.
Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that?
Possible. WC2 in multiplayer was pretty much about either 1)Lumber mill/tower rush no honor (Game should finish quickly) 2)Depending on your start location : 1 base farm wall, exit at ogre mage 2 bases farm wall, exit at ogre mage (like the 5-6 oclock spawn on GOW) 3)Some weird 1/2 rax pressure with cata/range (Pretty much all in, game should finish quickly)
And well, from there (option 2), you were already in late game and if somehow you both survived the Blood lust festival, it was expansion time and map control and DK running around.
So the flow was totally different than SC so it's possible some players carried that with them (1 base play with decent economy and units that can wreck a base quickly)
But the farm walls were the shit, so it probably stuck in some players...
I'm by no mean a pro at WC2 but I had my share on Heat.net and Bnet back in the days.
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Tsunami's guides are so old that he mentions strats from the lord of reaver drops and playing the Emperor. Some of the stuff is downright hilarious from a modern perspective but there are bits that are still relevant to today's players. Strategic thought in ZvZ was especially different.
Interesting stuff, always curious about those days. Thanks!
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Back then the community was very tight. The top players knew each other and faced each other non-stop online and in tournaments. If you see an unfamiliar face on ladder who refused to play, that person was most likely not-legit as match making was not as advanced as it is today. You had to manually set a match and play someone.
Competition was exciting. Although back then, replays didn't exist. People(including myself) had to write things out in text form.
Mod edit: YT link removed.
Old school players now have jobs, big projects and families.
-Wayne "D22-soso" Chiang
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On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:engival was one of the first winbotters I think chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last
Just told my kid a story about chanmanx , googled his name and led me to here so might as well tell a nostalgic story.
Myself and a guy name Doom- were hanging around nohunters bored as usual and both decided to message chanmanx for some random reason , he was actually online and responded.
We instantly invited him into nh and challenged him and his buddy to a 2v2 which they instantly shot down , so tipical nh stuff we started talking shit to these guys and I guess that sent them off and they agreed.
Doom- and I wanted a low min map but of course chanmanx wanted bgh which was fine , both doom and I were above average BW players. We knew they probably were map hackers so we decided a rush was best to win here.
If I remember correctly doom 6 pooled into Ling's , and I offensive cannoned , we did the perfectly with some lucky scouting we definitely were on our way to winning when low and behold the disconnect screen comes up for Doom-, he disconnected his lings stop killing and of course I had to bail from the o cannon to even have a chance to win but I couldn't do it and lose , FUCK
Anyways that's my story doubt anyone will read this 😆
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Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG.
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On April 22 2024 00:16 PuRpOs3 wrote: Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG.
i am available for playing, i am old dude started in 1999...have been playing on and off for years...actually not playing but would enjoy a couple of games. Server you are in?
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