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ArseniC-2
Profile Joined August 2005
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-01 19:15:14
September 01 2005 19:14 GMT
#1
I'm just wondering what starcraft was like right when it came out, and broodwar as well. I myself have been playing for 2 and a half years, so I started when basic build orders were already pretty much set in stone.

How did most people build at first? What kind of strategies were considered "good" back then?

I'd like to know all the nuances of playing starcraft back then :D

Edit: opps, wrong forum, can you please move this to Broodwar?
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
September 01 2005 20:04 GMT
#2
umm

well, all sorts of strategies but a friend of mine whos never watched a sc vod or replay or anything like that went to a pc room with me and when i wanted to play with him

as a terran he has like 2 rax, spreaded supplies, rines firebats

and probally thats it... little scvs, lol i dont know there is no build order back then?
Z3rgasm
Profile Joined October 2004
Indonesia7 Posts
September 01 2005 20:28 GMT
#3
Been playing since release and these are the things I remember

- Dominant maps at the very beginning are the hunters, and later some weird money-map callled monkey in the middle or something. The game was basically either a zealot vs zergling fest with some bunker push thrown in here and there, or capital ship rush.

- The first battle.net final was between agent911 and everlast. I remember reading the report with my mouth gaping. This report opened my eye to the use of units called queens, defiler, and science vessel.

- Most dominant ladder map was bridge over river styx. Dominant race was Z. Hatch before pool was almost unthinkable back then, and the only thing that non Z seems to do in ladder is make a hidden gate to the hidden area beside your base, and leave if the opponent discover it (as I remember the time that you can leave a game was much longer back then, something like 10min?). As for the Z itself, hydras are the mainstream unit back then, with soem ocassional muta lings. Then this player called Grrrr emerge from nowhere and starts to dominate the sc scene. I think he was also the first to publish a hatch before pool BO in xds site. Zileas also started to dominate at the same time with his reaver drop, which for a while become the standard strategy for P players everywhere. Wraiths and scout both have weaker air-to-air attack but much strong air-to-ground attack back then. Mass wraiths and mass scouts were both very common in team game.

- All these development in non Z strategy was all for nothing as blizzard decided to change ladder maps to the nightmare that is "The Gauntlet" and other similar maps. Muta battles were basically considered to be the only strategy on these maps. I remember that at one point the top 20or so ladder players were all Z. Korea which up until this point in time was considered as the land of zvz, start to dominate around this time. Fortunately classic ladder maps like LT, styx and rivalry were introduced back not long after BW.

- I don't remember too many things around the release of BW. As I recall, the top players during this period were Kali-oldschoolers (Pillars, Maynard, etc), grrr, zileas, soso, gadianton, and some time later Slayer. One thing I do remember though was the huge rant about TvP back then. DT, and the much better dragoons back then led many Terran players back to belive that the matchup was almost unwinnable. This inevitably led to the development of metal. As I recall the pioneer of metal was some player called busdriver or something in the foreign scene, and st.eagle in the korean scene. This development of metal by itself created one of the largest debate in the sc history between its avid followers and the top traditional terran players.
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-01 21:17:25
September 01 2005 21:12 GMT
#4
Read Oldschool Battlereports

Icinerate vs Pfieff
both of these guys use build orders similar to the ones used today, siege tank drops tvt and 2 port wraith etc.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 01 2005 21:32 GMT
#5
Reavers had no cooldown when dropped from shuttles - you could drop, it would shoot immediately, and you pick it back up. This was of course massive rapage, as you could literally have a shuttle that shot scarabs if you were fast enough.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17737 Posts
September 01 2005 22:43 GMT
#6

he prepared to employ the dreaded Siege Tank / Dropship combo


Hahaha, reading this is pure pleasure
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The6357
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States1268 Posts
September 01 2005 23:17 GMT
#7
marines with out medics....T_T
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WGT)Dknight
Profile Joined August 2005
United States114 Posts
September 02 2005 00:19 GMT
#8
Z3rgasm, you're wrong on some points

Grrrr... had been banned for maphacking before. He wasn't that dominating until about 1999-2000.

The first finals (beta ladder) was between Agent911 (R) and Zelias (P). I think Agent won it 4-3..not sure but I know it was 7 games

The first official finals was D22-Soso (R) vs ChrisLow (R). Soso won it 3-2

Season 2: LarryTheFeared (Z) 3 [5th]Fire (P) 0

Soso was incredible, one of the best gamers ever. :+:jolly:+: was amazing too, as was PH-Jester, PH-Pillars, TillerMan played BW (plays for 4KingsIntel now on W3). sVEN, nTT, and then the Quebec players (X'Ds~ team of Grrrr..., Smashe, Fire, and Killa)
starofNC
Profile Joined July 2004
United States1340 Posts
September 02 2005 00:32 GMT
#9
lol Gadianton told me story one time of how, when it was the online qualifers for PGL, Agent-911 had him beaten but disconnected right before he could eliminate Gadianton's buildings lol. So they had to play a rematch the game was a draw game. haha Gadianton went on to win the rematch, beat everyone (Grrrr lose to Kindom or something bunker rush two games in a row lol.) and took home PGL prize of like $10,000.

He later got sponsored by logitech gaming mouse and got significantly more money out of that then he did from the PGL prize.

All from a humble beginning in a disconnect game on b.net funny huh?

Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 02 2005 00:48 GMT
#10
On September 02 2005 09:19 WGT)Dknight wrote:
Z3rgasm, you're wrong on some points

Grrrr... had been banned for maphacking before. He wasn't that dominating until about 1999-2000.

The first finals (beta ladder) was between Agent911 (R) and Zelias (P). I think Agent won it 4-3..not sure but I know it was 7 games

The first official finals was D22-Soso (R) vs ChrisLow (R). Soso won it 3-2

Season 2: LarryTheFeared (Z) 3 [5th]Fire (P) 0

Soso was incredible, one of the best gamers ever. :+:jolly:+: was amazing too, as was PH-Jester, PH-Pillars, TillerMan played BW (plays for 4KingsIntel now on W3). sVEN, nTT, and then the Quebec players (X'Ds~ team of Grrrr..., Smashe, Fire, and Killa)

Zileas won 3-2
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
September 02 2005 01:11 GMT
#11
hydra drop owned all island maps to the max : )
Bergkamp ftw!
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
September 02 2005 01:18 GMT
#12
LarryTheWeird i think, not feared. :X
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
September 02 2005 01:38 GMT
#13
well some of my early builds that werent so uncommon back in the day was 1 hatch muta in zvz. And vs protoss id fast expand make around 20 sunkens and tech to guardians while making lings. I also once played a guy who never made any more workers than the original 4, he got to ultras before he died. Another really common thing was surrounding bases in spores / sunkens and other funny shit like that.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 02 2005 01:45 GMT
#14
First time I played BW was in 1999. A friend and I played via Modem on the maps that we made (money maps, obviously). We would cannon up, then mass to 200 and then have a big fight in the middle ^^
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Echo
Profile Joined July 2005
United States435 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 02:08:01
September 02 2005 01:52 GMT
#15
One thing that stands out in my mind was that Agent911 was considered a "genius" for using vultures to place mines to block expansions Its also funny to see how ridiculously bad the scores are.
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Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
September 02 2005 01:57 GMT
#16
when i started playing grrr's pvz build was quite new. it consisted of 1 gate pressuring the zerg while fast expanding at around 25 supply. i swear every mediocre player from today would own the pros of that time. ^^
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
September 02 2005 03:03 GMT
#17
zileas' doom drops with mass shuttles full of archon/reaver/zeal/goon were considered unstoppable ^o^

2 gate/3 gate zealot (not refined with probe resting i.e. "hardcore") was standard, 1 gate play was rare until grrr... popularized it

z was race of choice b/c both hydra only and muta only were so viable. people did NOT know how to use lings back then-- they were used mostly to scout and as throwaway units. actually i think even ling muta was pretty rare ~_~ for some reason i think of crazyjim~lizard as a gosu oldschool zerg user... anyone remember him?

macro was so much less developed-- for example in tvp people just did NOT make more than 3 or 4 factories off of two bases
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mieni
Profile Joined July 2004
China52 Posts
September 02 2005 03:26 GMT
#18
I remember the time when doing hatch before pool was really unthinkable! Also producing 5 scouts from 1 Starport was the usual stuff + massing muts from 1 hatch. It was crazy how we didn't think of making 2 spores and prevent that fearsome 6 mutas rush
doods?
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
September 02 2005 03:46 GMT
#19
On September 02 2005 10:52 Echo wrote:
One thing that stands out in my mind was that Agent911 was considered a "genius" for using vultures to place mines to block expansions Its also funny to see how ridiculously bad the scores are.


hey, i thought of and strated using it before i ever saw anyone do it!!

i'm a starcraft "genious"!! :D
Suicide
Profile Joined December 2002
United States475 Posts
September 02 2005 04:03 GMT
#20
Didn't soso win his ladder as a tribute to some korean girl :D Thats oldschool sc power right there.
Life drags on
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
September 02 2005 04:08 GMT
#21
Haha, this stuff is gold. I'm too new school, reminic more so I can be filled in guys.
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uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 04:16:23
September 02 2005 04:15 GMT
#22
On September 02 2005 13:03 Suicide wrote:
Didn't soso win his ladder as a tribute to some korean girl :D Thats oldschool sc power right there.


i'm pretty sure it was the girl "eugene" from the korean group s.e.s.

although he was chinese-american ^o^

edit: link to s.e.s. homepage, eugene is the one in the middle ^^

http://www.smtown.com/smtown/ses/friend/index.html
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
mieni
Profile Joined July 2004
China52 Posts
September 02 2005 04:22 GMT
#23
oh sweet jesus, the site is a gold!
doods?
Bard
Profile Joined November 2004
Jamaica898 Posts
September 02 2005 06:42 GMT
#24
There a Korean guy who posted Brood War history something. He talks about early final series (pre-Boxer era) and gamers as well as late ones.

The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><)
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 02 2005 06:59 GMT
#25
I started at the NTT area, needless to say I was inspired by his unique play. All his replays are fucking awesome.

I remember some really old stuff, people going bio-mech against toss, getting owned by storm. :D Thank god st. eagle (if i remember correctly) introduced the great metal strategies.
ArseniC-2
Profile Joined August 2005
United States131 Posts
September 02 2005 07:01 GMT
#26
rofl, uhjoo that site made me laugh uncontrollably I don't know why =D
_Shadow_
Profile Joined September 2005
Croatia5 Posts
September 02 2005 07:10 GMT
#27
I wonder what was apm of best players back in 1998 ad 1999.And does some1 have link of entire sc history(including boxer era etc) ?
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
September 02 2005 08:00 GMT
#28
[image loading]


Soso (Wayne Chiang) with Eugene.

anyone know if soso still doing his art thing at UCSD? I haven't spoken to him in a while, i know he got pretty big into poker.
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
September 02 2005 08:29 GMT
#29
On September 02 2005 15:42 Bard wrote:
There a Korean guy who posted Brood War history something. He talks about early final series (pre-Boxer era) and gamers as well as late ones.

The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><)


I remember that link, too
There was also this with the history of Terran:

http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=recommend&no=209

I can't find the other though T_T
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Xeroth
Profile Joined July 2005
United States432 Posts
September 02 2005 08:54 GMT
#30
For some reason, when I think of old(from my perspective) school gamers, after thinking of Tsu, Maynard, Grr... Boxer, IntotheRain one of the first names that comes to mind is Arang.

I remember when he was in 2L with testie and chojja, and he played that pvt vrs nick where testie went pure vult vrs him, and then he played an hour long game v tsu that was almost a draw.

Anyone know what happened to him? He was one of my favorite players.

Other gamers I wonder where went: Saft, mcnasty, ntt.
Everyones favorite hick.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
September 02 2005 08:57 GMT
#31
arang joined the army about 2 years ago i think
Xeroth
Profile Joined July 2005
United States432 Posts
September 02 2005 08:59 GMT
#32
Also, where did Spunky, slayer, and corbalt(He used to be considered very good protoss) go.
Everyones favorite hick.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 09:03:30
September 02 2005 09:01 GMT
#33
EDIT: Nevermind, remembered wrongly :D
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
inc
Profile Joined June 2003
Sweden889 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 09:07:04
September 02 2005 09:05 GMT
#34
i started like 3-5 months after it was released, and i played alot of zvz on hunters. i remember everyone was making hydras at that time in zvz, and the "gosu" ones made queens and hydras :o. well atleast that was what i thought then. :OOOOOO
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ComicBookArtist
Profile Joined January 2003
157 Posts
September 02 2005 09:22 GMT
#35
Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record.
starofNC
Profile Joined July 2004
United States1340 Posts
September 02 2005 09:38 GMT
#36
Panorama that picture is..... SO COOL.

I used to be friends with D23-Gad and D22-Soso, that picture brings a tear to my eye T . T lol

im pretty sure Soso would have graduated by now if he was at ucsd... hes likely pushing 27 or 28 years old (maybe even a little older). I know the reason Gadianton retired was that he got engaged. He was also very busy as one of the programmers at Casy's ladder website (which is still his main job afaik).

someone mentioned crazyjim~lizard earlier, yes, he was a true gosu. Another great player from the fog of history that nobody seems to mention here but immidiately came to mind was Tsunami.

_Shadow_
Profile Joined September 2005
Croatia5 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 09:42:24
September 02 2005 09:41 GMT
#37
Today I read all that reports of 1998-99,and how funny it sounds how they played before,but they did use a lots of units,and smart tactics with corsair/dt vs toss :D,I dont see that any1 doing these days.But i wonder why they didnt use Dark Archons,especially vs zerg,cause back then i think they didnt had so big apm,and micro so you could storm/maelstorm easily.And do any1 knows what apm they had?I know there wasnt reps but what do you think?I think that max apm there was maybe 100-120.Or less.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 10:09:49
September 02 2005 10:07 GMT
#38
On September 02 2005 18:38 starofNC wrote:
im pretty sure Soso would have graduated by now if he was at ucsd... hes likely pushing 27 or 28 years old (maybe even a little older).


hmm i would say 25 or 26 by now. I know he was at UCSD the last time i saw him, which was like 1.5 years ago, and he was like 24 or so at the time (tho i could always be wrong)

StorM_Liquid
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada98 Posts
September 02 2005 12:53 GMT
#39
Maynard came to a game called Age of Kings, then played some of the expansion, AoC, both of which I played in.

He used used the nick ___Debasser___

He was good. A very nice guy and I played my first BW games with him, he kinda just gave me a few tips then we went back to AoC.

PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
September 02 2005 13:02 GMT
#40
well i been playing since it came out in late 1997.

i remember when people, including myself were like "so more probes mining minerals is better? isnt that a waste of minerals?"
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
September 02 2005 16:13 GMT
#41
Except it came out in early 98 >.<

Beta was late 97
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 02 2005 17:38 GMT
#42
On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote:
Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record.


HAHA

chanmanx is a legend!

who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games

was it JimKeeley ?
baelrog
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria705 Posts
September 02 2005 20:09 GMT
#43
why were the many games so important was there no winbot or other hacks?
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Chereoke
Profile Joined August 2005
Zimbabwe201 Posts
September 02 2005 20:43 GMT
#44
-.-
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 02 2005 20:48 GMT
#45
nope, no winbots yet
Spegel
Profile Joined February 2005
Sweden96 Posts
September 02 2005 21:13 GMT
#46
On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote:
Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record.


HAHA

chanmanx is a legend!

who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games



was it JimKeeley ?


TheWorkHorse and Engival had similar records, those was crazy like 11453-5-0.
no way those could be real.
Mabus
Profile Joined August 2005
Uganda41 Posts
September 02 2005 21:23 GMT
#47
http://web.archive.org/web/20000616111345/www.starcraft.org/ww/current.shtml
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
September 02 2005 21:36 GMT
#48
I'm just curious what is the "much better dragoons"?
All I can find in patches is that it's buildtime was once as zealots'...
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artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
September 02 2005 21:39 GMT
#49
thanks alot for the history of sc strategy.. never know how different was Sc back then..
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28789 Posts
September 02 2005 22:19 GMT
#50
engival was one of the first winbotters I think

chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking

also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent
zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last
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Z3rgasm
Profile Joined October 2004
Indonesia7 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-02 23:03:16
September 02 2005 22:55 GMT
#51
On September 03 2005 06:36 LastWish wrote:
I'm just curious what is the "much better dragoons"?
All I can find in patches is that it's buildtime was once as zealots'...


I'm pretty sure that BW's goon range upgrade is much stronger than it was in vanilla. And yes the build time were also much faster when bw was first released.

Edit :
Patch 1.04 (basically, the change that bw introduced)
Dragoon:
- Decreased cost to 125 minerals, 50 gas.
- Decreased build time.
- Increased range upgrade (Singularity Charge) by 1.

The build time was increased back by 1.08
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
September 02 2005 23:34 GMT
#52
Things that made zerg superior to all:

50% faster larvae spawn rate.
hatchery only cost 50 more
spawning pool 150

Hence it actually made a LOT of sense not to slap down the extra hatchery as early as now. you could still pump decently from 1 hatch, and the faster tech really hurt a protoss for instance since archons was extremely sluggish and had low acceleration when moving, and cannons did explosive damage. Only 10 against mutas that is :O.

But generally, people built far too few hatcheries, gateways, factories etc. But also remember that factories were like 250/150 or something...
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 02 2005 23:35 GMT
#53
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
engival was one of the first winbotters I think

chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking

also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent
zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last

T_T! That was a typo! I even checked the score before writing since I was sure zileas won ;D
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RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
September 03 2005 01:14 GMT
#54
On September 02 2005 17:59 Xeroth wrote:
Also, where did Spunky, slayer, and corbalt(He used to be considered very good protoss) go.


Corbalt is very active on east ;o
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 03 2005 01:42 GMT
#55
Pillars used to be godly .... and Testie was the biggest hacker ever and everyone hated his guts. I still remember the rep where he was caught hacking, I forgot vs who .... but he sends like a drone through a blocked choke without having vision of the other guys minerals. Art -_-
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nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
September 03 2005 01:48 GMT
#56
yea im new school too like 3 year ago(1.08, 109) so this stuff is weird
NettleS
Profile Joined April 2005
522 Posts
September 03 2005 02:03 GMT
#57
On September 03 2005 08:34 Luhh wrote:
But generally, people built far too few hatcheries, gateways, factories etc. But also remember that factories were like 250/150 or something...

i dont remember that
We are too scared to go with you Bluto....WELL JUST KISS MY ASS FROM NOW ON
Xeroth
Profile Joined July 2005
United States432 Posts
September 03 2005 02:21 GMT
#58
The game was v Liquid Drone(Our beloved Eri), and it was an SCV.

I remember hearing something abotu someone using a namespoof on testies name or something, which explained why there was no instance of him hacking since 1.07, then all of a sudden 1 game in 1.09 where it shows him hacking, and then no instance of him hacking since.

Also "Testie"(dunno if it was him or not) did some cheese bunker shit, and Eri went fast cars, and hten testie just pumped like 5 rax of marines, and made no medics. So it could have been on vanilla SC.

Thats all I remember about it. Oh, and OB1 and OB2 were in the game.
Everyones favorite hick.
PuertoRican
Profile Joined April 2004
United States5709 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-03 02:40:15
September 03 2005 02:32 GMT
#59
On September 03 2005 01:13 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
Except it came out in early 98 >.<

Beta was late 97


yes, im aware when i started playing, thanks for pointing it out.
it helps since it was as late birthday present and my b-day is 8/23/1982

Platform: PC
Publisher: Vivendi Universal Games
Developer: Blizzard Entertainment
Genre: RTS (Real-Time Strategy)
Release Date: 1997

guess my video wont work.
If anyone orders any merlot Im leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking merlot.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-09-03 03:37:25
September 03 2005 03:35 GMT
#60
On September 03 2005 11:32 PuertoRican wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 01:13 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
Except it came out in early 98 >.<

Beta was late 97


yes, im aware when i started playing, thanks for pointing it out.
it helps since it was as late birthday present and my b-day is 8/23/1982

Platform: PC
Publisher: Vivendi Universal Games
Developer: Blizzard Entertainment
Genre: RTS (Real-Time Strategy)
Release Date: 1997

guess my video wont work.


Look harder.

It wasn't released in 1997, the copyright and release date posted by blizzard has been wrong for years.

Not that I expect you to actually look for it.

EDIT: Specifically, it was released March 30 1998.

How you could have owned the game in 1997 when the beta signups started on January 5th is beyond me..

and it would appear I messed up the beta date. Either way, check up your facts.
T______T
Profile Joined August 2005
United States538 Posts
September 03 2005 08:04 GMT
#61
ign says 97 (dec 1)

http://pc.ign.com/objects/002/002159.html

gamespot says it was released in 98 (april 1)

http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html


- pride and shame -
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
September 03 2005 08:10 GMT
#62
Yeah I was always under the impression Starcraft was released on April Fools.
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
September 03 2005 08:21 GMT
#63
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
engival was one of the first winbotters I think

chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking

also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent
zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last


My memory is a bit shady, but as far as I recall, ChanmanX, Engival, ACSlater and Blackjack666 all had legit records, in the sense that they were actually IN every BGH 3v3 they won, and disc'd every loss.

WinPimp and TheWorkHorse were the first big winbotters that I remember.
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
September 03 2005 08:39 GMT
#64
On September 02 2005 17:29 pubbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2005 15:42 Bard wrote:
There a Korean guy who posted Brood War history something. He talks about early final series (pre-Boxer era) and gamers as well as late ones.

The link has been posted here before but I can't find it. (More like.. I am too lazy to find it ><)


I remember that link, too
There was also this with the history of Terran:

http://www.pgr21.com/zboard4/view.php?id=recommend&no=209

I can't find the other though T_T


is there an english translation for this?

and i recall a link like that too but couldn't find it either -_-
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
September 03 2005 08:43 GMT
#65
On September 03 2005 17:04 T______T wrote:
ign says 97 (dec 1)

http://pc.ign.com/objects/002/002159.html

gamespot says it was released in 98 (april 1)

http://www.gamespot.com/finder/findgames.html




Any date before January 5th is quite impossible.

Beta signups were January 5th.
WiredBomb
Profile Joined May 2005
United States398 Posts
September 03 2005 09:56 GMT
#66
i remember when the usual pvp strat was scout n zealot rushes.
Boom ready or not, here it comes.
NettleS
Profile Joined April 2005
522 Posts
September 03 2005 11:42 GMT
#67
SC was released like march 28th 1998....
We are too scared to go with you Bluto....WELL JUST KISS MY ASS FROM NOW ON
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28789 Posts
September 03 2005 11:47 GMT
#68
http://www.blizzard.com/inblizz/profile.shtml

StarCraft®, which released in March 1998


:-)
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Mabus
Profile Joined August 2005
Uganda41 Posts
September 03 2005 11:59 GMT
#69
i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 11:45 GMT
#70
On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote:
Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record.


HAHA

chanmanx is a legend!

who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games

was it JimKeeley ?



On September 03 2005 05:09 baelrog wrote:
why were the many games so important was there no winbot or other hacks?


On September 03 2005 05:48 travis wrote:
nope, no winbots yet



On September 03 2005 06:13 Spegel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 02:38 travis wrote:
On September 02 2005 18:22 ComicBookArtist wrote:
Let us not forget ChanmanX, who had a very impressive record.


HAHA

chanmanx is a legend!

who was the other guy? the one on vanilla starcraft that had thousands and thousands of games



was it JimKeeley ?


TheWorkHorse and Engival had similar records, those was crazy like 11453-5-0.
no way those could be real.




On September 03 2005 17:21 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
engival was one of the first winbotters I think

chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking

also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent
zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last


My memory is a bit shady, but as far as I recall, ChanmanX, Engival, ACSlater and Blackjack666 all had legit records, in the sense that they were actually IN every BGH 3v3 they won, and disc'd every loss.

WinPimp and TheWorkHorse were the first big winbotters that I remember.



I know this is a very old thread but I have been playing since 98 (still play) and it feels like yesterday to me. Miss these times. Anyways this was one of the main sites that kept up with stats. Back before winbot and when the 28.8K modem was just being replaced by the 56K modem achieving this many games was bragging rights for whoever had them. Hope some of the people that used to play back when get a chance to look at this. The site is just over 14 years old

http://www.angelfire.com/stars/Top50/Top50.htm
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1980 Posts
December 08 2015 11:50 GMT
#71
Lots of 1 base strats. Fast expansion was not too common at start. Zerg was the first faction where FE was introduced. It took a while till terrans and Protoss did the same.
Total Annihilation Zero
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 11:57 GMT
#72
Tank drops on the small ledge of Lost Temple, Brood War USA-1, Blizzard had a manned tech support channel M-F 8am-5PM PST, making unlimited record names, Channel Wizz and Clan -x17, when the game was ours...
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 12:11:52
December 08 2015 12:09 GMT
#73
One of the main difference with old gameplay is that what you call cheese or tech build now was what you called standard gameplay before, particularly for terran and protoss. I remember when i came back playing in 2008 suddenly they call me cheeser, i was like "wtf is this thing about cheese?" I wonder who is the dickhead that came out with something so stupid as to call a high level well timed adjusted bo -__________- 0 "cheese..." I see protoss going fast expand suddenly of course i am gonna speed ling you... dah...

he was probably a loser.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 12:33 GMT
#74
True. I miss being able to create my own game, name it whatever I wanted, and the games actually counted on my main stats or creating a profile yourself, being able to unally and turn on an obnoxious teammate was very satisfying when it was deserved. I think one of the things I miss the most is how unrestricted it was. Now everything is censored and troll proofed. To the point it feels like everyone is wearing bumper guards and we are all in our own little protective bubbles.I play SCBW from 1998-2010 until WOL beta came out and have been playing all the way till now.Build orders were not mainstream to newbs. In fast you had to do a little digging on Webcrawler to find a .mpg you could download. Now everyone is at 80-100 APM in Bronze league mimicking a build they saw MC(insert Pro) to last week.
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 12:39 GMT
#75
Has anyone ever made a Baseball UMS for SC2 like the one in SCBW? It seems like every sport but Baseball has been done.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 08 2015 13:18 GMT
#76
Seeing this records page reminded me there were people who kept a record of maximum losses and minimum wins, they were called "freelosers". They would leave the game at the moment they decided they had won it. Sometimes they missed when the opponent left before and they were too slow to react or something, resulting in recording a win and a less clean freelose record.
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 13:21 GMT
#77
LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears)
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 13:34:09
December 08 2015 13:27 GMT
#78
Also I have a lot of memories of playing a lot of various types of games with groups of people hanging in certain channels (not necessarily a clan?). There would be some channels where maybe 10 people would gather almost everyday at different times and play 3v3 together or against public, then some UMS micro tourney or whatever fun game UMS (lol I remember one where you had to make a minimap-drawing with pylons according to a word said by judge and then the judge of the game would pick the winner), then some 1v1 and people watching.. Lots and lots of 3v3 played on hunters. Good times I miss these days tbh, when the public servers were crowded with lots of people. You would have the "public chaters" hanging out on "public chat" who connected outside of the game client with some chat client and you could talk to them but not play games with them so there was this community there for some reason. And the Diablo 2 / Warcraft 2 / Warcraft 3 guys could be on the same channels so there was just really a big pool of people talking about lots of things with common interest in these games. Had lots of craaazy conversations sometimes really long and fun.
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 08 2015 13:32 GMT
#79
On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote:
LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears)

ahah yes ally up to get auto win :D lol
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
December 08 2015 13:32 GMT
#80
On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote:
LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears)


There are still people like that around, for example Never)MVP( on iccup. Whenever he loses on his olimpic account he would beg you to leave and propose you free wins vs his other account hellkira
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
December 08 2015 13:34 GMT
#81
On December 08 2015 22:32 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 22:21 alpick67 wrote:
LOL! I remember those too. I also remember in team games in melee if someone dropped the other person would be like, "ally up?". LOL! sometimes it was cool and other times, "Naaaah" People would literally beg to the ally. (tears)


There are still people like that around, for example Never)MVP( on iccup. Whenever he loses on his olimpic account he would beg you to leave and propose you free wins vs his other account hellkira

hahaha :D
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 14:09 GMT
#82
LMAO! That's too funny. In some of the games they begged for the ally, they would have to join my "Kiss My Ass Club" and publicly kiss my ass in game. I would still kill them of course but not after a /kiss :-D
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 15:04:51
December 08 2015 15:03 GMT
#83
Interesting bump. I like the idea of everything being set in stone in 2003 haha.

It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.html

I think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years.

When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
alpick67
Profile Joined December 2015
7 Posts
December 08 2015 17:37 GMT
#84
Great link and so true about how people would think deeply about this game and it's strategy. I'm 35 and have literally been playing this game half my life. Through college, career, ups and downs this game has stood the test of time. I have two younger brothers and all of us would play every day. They were and still are much better than me lol! I am concerned with the direction the game is going. I still enjoy it a great deal but worry it won't be appealing enough for first timers to play it and fall in love with it like I and so many on this site have.I remember all of the Starcraft sites that used to be up with downloads for Starcraft desktop fonts, the strats, and just the passion people would put into this game. There are still many great sites like this one but will LOTV and SC2 in general be enough to light a fire in the next generation of gamers. Anyway I trailed off there but I love hearing the old names and going to the old sites and just reminiscing. Does anyone else have any old links or names they recall?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 08 2015 18:54 GMT
#85
http://www.yellowchrome.org/Entropy.html
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 02:25:53
December 09 2015 02:22 GMT
#86
On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote:
i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way

I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one).

They sold everything the first day.

I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it.

They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..."

Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good.

Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost.


User was warned for being hilarious
Lockdown-
Profile Joined May 2003
United States298 Posts
December 09 2015 04:31 GMT
#87
I remember an early TL tournament, don't even know what it was called, and I played Daaman[pG], PvP. We went one gate reaver at the same time and had like 5-6 goons. He microed better and I lost. Hah. This is such a great thread. I remember going to USWest and joining all the korean channels like -ReD, ..... I can't even remember anymore!
BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
December 09 2015 04:42 GMT
#88
Well, if you wanna read some entertaining battle reports of old school games, you'll find solid gold over here: http://battlereports.com/

I'm pretty sure luckynewbie started making vods here recently. He's still a douche, but in the most endearing kind of way.

Old school SC/BW to me is pretty much summed up as pulling whatever you can out of thin air and making it work, somehow. 'cause nothing was really written in stone, having no plan was still a relatively decent plan.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 09 2015 08:10 GMT
#89
I remember when SC just came out I started the terran campaign and couldn't beat the first mission (you need to build a couple supply depots and mine 100 gas or something):
1. I thought SCVs were far better fighters than marines, they kinda looked like battle robots of some sort, they even have more hp;
2. for some reason I thought the objective was to reveal the whole map, for about an hour I flew my CC around to scout parts of the map inaccessible from ground. Talk about strategies lol.
Michael Probu
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 09 2015 10:16 GMT
#90
Very very early on, a lot of players thought turtling up was really smart/the way to go, for some reason.

Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that?

User was warned for being hilarious
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1077 Posts
December 09 2015 11:07 GMT
#91
On December 09 2015 00:03 Chef wrote:
Interesting bump. I like the idea of everything being set in stone in 2003 haha.

It's cool that even from the very beginning people thought about this game a lot. If you really want insight into 1999 level strategy, you can just read Tsunami's old guide. Literally people just figuring out rts and what it meant to have game understanding. Lots of stuff in that guide you'll even see a lot of people who've been playing 5 years just never got because they only learned how to copy very specific builds, rather than the theory behind them.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030312104457/66.197.102.88/intro.html

I think Physician's StarCraft site also has this hosted. Another name you haven't heard of in eight years.

When I started seriously learning SC, I printed out his guide and read a bit before every game lol.


Where is Physician and where can I find his SC site?
BW forever!
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 16:03:33
December 09 2015 15:59 GMT
#92
lol! that early strat guide is so cute.
he actually calls them peons.

i do recall players rushing, and dcing a lot. you'd go and stalk someone's profile to size them up and then go beet red with jealousy because he's got a flawless record. the kicker was, his amount of disconnects were incredible, he'd always dodge, and make new accounts for actual games.

oh, and people beggingfor ally, wins, ROFL... that was insanely funny in retrospect. it was like getting a pokemon card stolen. it was so sad.

back when people pronounced it zee-lots and had their own nicknames for units. like probies, lords, lurks.

makes me realize how much history TL.net actually has, just buried somewhere.
i still remember lists of livereports (probably blogs) where people posted games with a short artsy description. lol. this usually happened a lot on replay sites.

you know how much we worshipped korean players? they were like our messiah, and when replays were first getting leaked it was like porn for a teen gamer.

if you really want a good look into early-ish BW, take a look at the WCG documentary featuring artosis, day9, tasteless, and a few others. also some earlier day9 dailies, if those ever got reuploaded from his blip.tv (now closed down) where he recounts some experiences.

oh not to fucking mention those early spacesuits in the very first starcraft tournaments. that was pure gold and nostalgia.

my friends and i (who no longer play games) used to go to a friend's house every weekend and huddle up to watch GOMTV intel classic. those TGSAMBO commericals are still stuck in my head, and i believe this was still when tasteless was casting solo. he lost his shit when iris laid spider mines in front of his base and floated a barracks over it to hide it.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
December 09 2015 16:38 GMT
#93
--- Nuked ---
Writer
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 04:43:48
December 10 2015 04:42 GMT
#94
On December 10 2015 01:38 Ty2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 11:22 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On September 03 2005 20:59 Mabus wrote:
i remember when it came out and I had to go to like 10 different stores to find one that wasnt sold out. walked uphill the whole way

I got it the first day it came out. Went to the biggest store that had PC games in the area, and lucked out... out of the 100 or whatever copies they ordered, I got the second to last one, a Protoss box (i.e. the coolest-looking one).

They sold everything the first day.

I also went to the local LAN gaming place (i.e. pay by the hour to play) a couple days after release, just to see what ppl thought of it.

They were mad into it, literally every monitor had SC on it. There was this poor Total Annihilation fan who was walking the aisles, pretty much begging ppl for a game of TA... while sighing and rolling his eyes looking at all the Starcraft going on, mumbling out loud, "It's not that good, it's not that good..."

Ppl had been into TA and Dark Reign and Red Alert there, but SC killed all that off... maybe even a little too efficiently/one-sidedly, variety is good.

Level of play was pretty atrocious at first. Saw a 6 human players vs 2 cpus game... the humans lost.



I remember you telling this story awhile ago in another thread.


If I did, it was months ago.

Glad it was so memorable.

User was warned for being hilarious
Rigodon666
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada183 Posts
December 10 2015 21:40 GMT
#95
On December 09 2015 19:16 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Very very early on, a lot of players thought turtling up was really smart/the way to go, for some reason.

Didn't play much WarCraft 2 multiplayer, did they somehow get the idea from that?


Possible. WC2 in multiplayer was pretty much about either
1)Lumber mill/tower rush no honor (Game should finish quickly)
2)Depending on your start location :
1 base farm wall, exit at ogre mage
2 bases farm wall, exit at ogre mage (like the 5-6 oclock spawn on GOW)
3)Some weird 1/2 rax pressure with cata/range (Pretty much all in, game should finish quickly)

And well, from there (option 2), you were already in late game and if somehow you both survived the Blood lust festival, it was expansion time and map control and DK running around.

So the flow was totally different than SC so it's possible some players carried that with them (1 base play with decent economy and units that can wreck a base quickly)

But the farm walls were the shit, so it probably stuck in some players...


I'm by no mean a pro at WC2 but I had my share on Heat.net and Bnet back in the days.
I'll call the guy who will call Nada
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 11 2015 03:48 GMT
#96
Tsunami's guides are so old that he mentions strats from the lord of reaver drops and playing the Emperor. Some of the stuff is downright hilarious from a modern perspective but there are bits that are still relevant to today's players. Strategic thought in ZvZ was especially different.

Interesting stuff, always curious about those days. Thanks!
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
D22sosoWayneChiang
Profile Joined December 2018
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 19:07:48
December 06 2018 17:50 GMT
#97
Back then the community was very tight. The top players knew each other and faced each other non-stop online and in tournaments. If you see an unfamiliar face on ladder who refused to play, that person was most likely not-legit as match making was not as advanced as it is today. You had to manually set a match and play someone.

Competition was exciting. Although back then, replays didn't exist. People(including myself) had to write things out in text form.

Mod edit: YT link removed.

Old school players now have jobs, big projects and families.

-Wayne "D22-soso" Chiang
slipknotnh
Profile Joined April 2024
1 Post
April 20 2024 15:55 GMT
#98
On September 03 2005 07:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
engival was one of the first winbotters I think

chanmanx record was "legit" and by that I mean he played bgh vs newbies while maphacking

also frozenarbiter you are wrong zileas won 4-3 vs agent
zileas won the first 3 then agent won 3 then zileas won the last


Just told my kid a story about chanmanx , googled his name and led me to here so might as well tell a nostalgic story.

Myself and a guy name Doom- were hanging around nohunters bored as usual and both decided to message chanmanx for some random reason , he was actually online and responded.

We instantly invited him into nh and challenged him and his buddy to a 2v2 which they instantly shot down , so tipical nh stuff we started talking shit to these guys and I guess that sent them off and they agreed.

Doom- and I wanted a low min map but of course chanmanx wanted bgh which was fine , both doom and I were above average BW players. We knew they probably were map hackers so we decided a rush was best to win here.

If I remember correctly doom 6 pooled into Ling's , and I offensive cannoned , we did the perfectly with some lucky scouting we definitely were on our way to winning when low and behold the disconnect screen comes up for Doom-, he disconnected his lings stop killing and of course I had to bail from the o cannon to even have a chance to win but I couldn't do it and lose , FUCK

Anyways that's my story doubt anyone will read this 😆
PuRpOs3
Profile Joined December 2009
United States45 Posts
April 21 2024 15:16 GMT
#99
Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG.
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
April 21 2024 16:18 GMT
#100
On April 22 2024 00:16 PuRpOs3 wrote:
Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG.


i am available for playing, i am old dude started in 1999...have been playing on and off for years...actually not playing but would enjoy a couple of games. Server you are in?
PuRpOs3
Profile Joined December 2009
United States45 Posts
April 21 2024 18:56 GMT
#101
oh S my bad i was interested in SC2 but SC1 i can def play 1 or 2 games.we can do a couple of 1's in sc1 and if your into sc 2 we can do teams. Im On USEast usually. iD: PuRpOs3 or iD: ArtOfBrookln in SC2 on TL.net channel. I am on EST
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
April 22 2024 13:14 GMT
#102
SC1 is toxic game with toxic community, but still i love it. SC2 just make me angry ...
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17058 Posts
April 22 2024 15:34 GMT
#103
On April 22 2024 00:16 PuRpOs3 wrote:
Whats up, very old skool playaer here. looking to team up or practice with other old school or other returning players. iD is ArtofBrooklYn. I am from back 2000 (rigtht before replays were created) AkA NeT.BOY_PaTieNt. gO)PaTieNt. looking for semi-casual atm, GG.


Damn, some old school gamefaqs players were in gO from what I remember. Or at least Mel?
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