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Xatalos - I like the point that damdred brought up about him, his play has been agreeable, just that, agreed with me about LS and then asked some questions without following up, since then disappeared. I too have a scum lean on this guy. Nuke - wtf just happened here, firstly Trefl is nowhere near the most inactive in the game, the overall read on this guy was that his tone was ok and he raised some ok points, just needed to see more. If that is the impression why the hell do you nuke the guy, maybe raise suspicion of him to get him to talk but don't nuke him. If your criteria is inactivity there are people who haven't said a word and people like rebirth. Overall a horrible move, that being said. I don't know what it says for BM alignment yet. BH - good anti-nuke, a plus in this guys favour. I guess town for now I went into yesterday trying to get reads on Xat, Sandro and JAT as mentioned I think sandro is town Xat feels scum after Damdred's point I don't like JAT so far, in my experience I think he would have contributed a lot more, so far he has been snipey and either shot down reads or asked questions that don't lead anywhere On May 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote: I don't understand the rayn read and the mafia read for this post I understand even less. On May 11 2015 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: I other words there isn't really anything. Yep. On May 10 2015 22:01 justanothertownie wrote: Curious how batsnacks ended up red in this list. wat Why would you be salty? I want to see a lot more from him and expected more so leaning scum for now | ||
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Essentially it means we should by lynching BM. On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished. Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird. tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke. ##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!! Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it | ||
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On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well. I have out-of-thread reasons that I'm loathe to elaborate on unless my hand is really forced (big wagon on him, no-one talking about anyone else as the day drags on) | ||
KelsierSC
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[spoiler On May 11 2015 18:46 Trfel wrote: A Post from Trfel! Table of Contents 1. Preface 2. Bill Murray 3. GlowingBear 4. KelsierSC 5. Townreads 6. Questions Preface Some of this post (including this preface) was written before the anti-nuke. I'm tired and too lazy to edit it. If I'm going to be playing this game knowing that I get nuked at the end of the cycle, at least I'm going to play it my way. So you will be dealing with extremely long posts, random Styx songs, and complete lack of self confidence. I'm not going to adjust my play to please people who nuke me for inactivity on Mothers' Day. If you don't like it, be glad I won't be here for very long. On the bright side, at least I'm not going to be lynched today. Listen to the above song, it's really quite good. And fitting for the occasion. This song is a good example of why I like Styx: their songs have good melodies and good chord progressions, but they all have fairly good lyrics and most of them actually say something rather profound, or evoke a deep emotion. This song in particular makes me think of my friends and family separated by time and space, and pains me because in many cases, there is no more time. Bill Murray I do not have the ability to call down nukes. I have learned that Bill Murray's nuke is real or he has a role specifically allowing him to fake nuke people (which I do not believe is specified by the OP, can anyone else confirm this?). So, I'm obviously biased against Bill Murray. We didn't get along all that well in Student Mafia VIII, despite both being town. He really doesn't like my style of using longer posts. And I'm obviously very annoyed at being nuked for wanting to spend time with my family on Mothers' Day, while saying that I would catch up with the game this evening (and Bill Murray supposedly read my filter). Everything about Bill Murray's play is screaming mafia. But can town really be completely lazy, and decide to do this? I can't rule it out, especially knowing that Bill Murray really doesn't like me. So I think that it is best if I refrain from posting reads on Bill Murray, because anything that I say is clouded in personal bias and frustration. GlowingBear So, GlowingBear doesn't want mafia to shoot other mafia, thus wanting mafia to stay alive? More seriously though... he provided an early townread on batsnacks, and then reverses that townread for poor reasons (remembering that batsnacks' first post, and an unflipped association read). However, I do like his early pressure on Damdred. And his posts seem to have a carefree attitude, he really doesn't seem like he cares what people think about him. I'm not too certain about this, but I'm slightly leaning town on GlowingBear at this time. KelsierSC I'm suspicious of KelsierSC. He opened the game very aggressively, pushing suspicion at many players (LightningStrike, rsoultin, and Damdred). His read development on these three players is very interesting. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: The initial scumread.you have used 3/10 already 1 to say hello and then 2 more to say you are going to play like someone else and that you will have a hard time posting seems like you are trying to cover potential inactivity/shit posts already, not looking good. for you. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Lightningstrike - called him scum because his first 3 posts were terrible and he has run away like a scaredy cat. pretty weak response overall On May 10 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote: LS, that wall of text is hard to read but it's good you are putting reads and stuff forward, I will retract my scum read on you for now. I don't think you have said anything particularly controversial in your post, things are sort of "odd" "pretty bad" "we shall see", can you go against the wall of text style and maybe give some towns and some scum? if you don't have any then just say that On May 10 2015 23:45 KelsierSC wrote: well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore. I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now I don't see how KelsierSC's read progression matches LightningStrike's play. KelsierSC was very suspicious of him early on, and then dropped these suspicions for seemingly little reason at all, while still stating reservations (specifically, that LightningStrike's post didn't make any strong reads). Later, KelsierSC says that LightningStrike being all over the place isn't alignment indicative, suggesting that he has some knowledge of LightningStrike's meta. But this indicates that KelsierSC's early suspicion of LightningStrike is false. KelsierSC keeps going back and forth with his LightningStrike read, and this doesn't look good to me. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: No if you were traitor you would know by now. rsoul you got a mafia yet? On May 10 2015 11:35 KelsierSC wrote: I don't really understand why people are so quick to call rsoul town. Nothing jumps out at me as being particularly townie. A lot of people seem quick to call her town and sort of buddy up. She is bringing up the points she things are important but I don't agree with all of it. i don't agree with the HTS read and the rest of what she says is pretty lacklustre On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul - Lot of people call her town but I don't really know her style, her posts give me brain cancer. If you break down what she has said so far the only real commitment is HTS is scum, everyone else is "leaning town" or "town" From there, KelsierSC adds rsoultin to his town circle. On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town. I don't understand what KelsierSC was doing with his initial question to rsoultin. Initially, I thought it was most likely asking for rsoultin's townreads because he was townreading rsoultin and wanted to know. However, KelsierSC denied this, so he was either genuinely curious (in which case he didn't seem at all interested in the answer or its implications) or using the question as a means of pushing suspicion onto rsoultin (which didn't result in a read of rsoultin). Either way, when I asked KelsierSC for a read on rsoultin, he just complained that people were townreading rsoultin for bad reasons, and his read seemed to end up at null. He basically is suspicious of rsoultin for no good reason, and then is more focused on showing why other people's townreads of rsoultin are bad than doing anything else, while his own read on rsoultin is null. Damdred + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 11:29 KelsierSC wrote: you believe HTS has a forced tone and is mafia? but you just wrote she has a good tone about her. that is what is confusing me, how can rs have good ideas about hts but hts have a good tone to you? Initially, KelsierSC is suspicious of Damdred for a contradiction in his reads. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Then KelsierSC included Damdred in his town circle. But then, he proceeds to argue with Damdred over some townreads, eventually resulting in this:Damdred - probably the person i've been struggling with the most. I didn't like his early rsoul read but he has defended it pretty well, I also didn't like his prepared play, to be honest it didn't look like it achieved much, but I guess Damdred decided Trfel and I were town from it and got called scummy for it. It seems a strange thing to do as scum, so i'm not going to wide eyed over it. I think his GB reads were actually quite strong post (8), they seemed to come from a town perspective. following on from that he has been active this phase and generated a lot of discussion so overall I think he is town for now. On May 11 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: KelsierSC has no reason to argue with his townread, and eventually reluctantly agree that he went nowhere and Damdred is still (grudgingly) town.as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes KelsierSC seems to be playing to keep his options open. He is throwing a lot of suspicion around, especially early in the game, and his reads change in a way that I have difficulty explaining from a town mindset. However, KelsierSC has been extremely active and promoting discussion. He completely ignored the Night 0 post limit. This makes me much more hesitant to scumread him, because I don't think that scum would be posting so much. But I do not think that activity alone is a good enough reason to townread him here. Town Reads Damdred + Show Spoiler + Initially I felt that Damdred was suspicious for making reads that felt strange to me (for reasons I don't care to elaborate on at this time). However, he has been widely townread. Were Damdred mafia, I would have expected him to back off a bit, but he has continued to change his reads and find new suspicions. Furthermore, he's brought up some better points lately. I don't really see Damdred being mafia with this play. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + Good analysis and focused. My tonereads still need work, apparently. (not that this is anything new) sandroba + Show Spoiler + He's extremely focused on his scumreads, for which he provides some good points. And he also seems willing to discuss and reconsider. Enough to townread him for now, at least. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + I'm sleepy. Questions Damdred and VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I really don't like what batsnacks is doing so far this game, he comes across as trying intentionally to be mysterious and nonsensical. A style we can all pretty much recognize I'm sure. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Firstly VE, I like your batsnacks part about how he is trying to be intentionally mysterious. Please explain what you mean in these quotes, about batsnacks being "intentionally mysterious"? What does this make you think about his alignment? KelsierSC: Can you please respond to the above points that I made? (just the main points will suffice) [/QUOTE] The way that I arrived at my town reads is explained in the posts so I don't know what I can add apart from a summary. rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me. Lightning strike - initially i called him mafia to put pressure on him because his early posts were pretty awful, he came out and started contributing things so I moved him back to null. his business with hts being mafia then town felt like someone floundering as mafia but some people believe that it isn't alignment indicative for him to be that way. I think he is mafia though. damdred - I mean if someone contradicts themselves it is natural to question them, I explained that I struggled to read damdred but my explanation is in the post you quoted. when i questioned him about his townread of TD it is because i firmly believe TD is mafia and if someone in my town circle disagrees I want to explain why they are wrong and get them over to my side. I'm not reluctant that Damdred is town though. I don't feel like i'm hedging and trying to keep options open , I feel I have been clear with who I think is mafia and who I want to push on. | ||
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On May 11 2015 20:23 sandroba wrote: Hello palmar. Pls entretain me on why I'm scum. ask marv | ||
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@Trfel + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2015 18:46 Trfel wrote: A Post from Trfel! Table of Contents 1. Preface 2. Bill Murray 3. GlowingBear 4. KelsierSC 5. Townreads 6. Questions Preface Some of this post (including this preface) was written before the anti-nuke. I'm tired and too lazy to edit it. If I'm going to be playing this game knowing that I get nuked at the end of the cycle, at least I'm going to play it my way. So you will be dealing with extremely long posts, random Styx songs, and complete lack of self confidence. I'm not going to adjust my play to please people who nuke me for inactivity on Mothers' Day. If you don't like it, be glad I won't be here for very long. On the bright side, at least I'm not going to be lynched today. Listen to the above song, it's really quite good. And fitting for the occasion. This song is a good example of why I like Styx: their songs have good melodies and good chord progressions, but they all have fairly good lyrics and most of them actually say something rather profound, or evoke a deep emotion. This song in particular makes me think of my friends and family separated by time and space, and pains me because in many cases, there is no more time. Bill Murray I do not have the ability to call down nukes. I have learned that Bill Murray's nuke is real or he has a role specifically allowing him to fake nuke people (which I do not believe is specified by the OP, can anyone else confirm this?). So, I'm obviously biased against Bill Murray. We didn't get along all that well in Student Mafia VIII, despite both being town. He really doesn't like my style of using longer posts. And I'm obviously very annoyed at being nuked for wanting to spend time with my family on Mothers' Day, while saying that I would catch up with the game this evening (and Bill Murray supposedly read my filter). Everything about Bill Murray's play is screaming mafia. But can town really be completely lazy, and decide to do this? I can't rule it out, especially knowing that Bill Murray really doesn't like me. So I think that it is best if I refrain from posting reads on Bill Murray, because anything that I say is clouded in personal bias and frustration. GlowingBear So, GlowingBear doesn't want mafia to shoot other mafia, thus wanting mafia to stay alive? More seriously though... he provided an early townread on batsnacks, and then reverses that townread for poor reasons (remembering that batsnacks' first post, and an unflipped association read). However, I do like his early pressure on Damdred. And his posts seem to have a carefree attitude, he really doesn't seem like he cares what people think about him. I'm not too certain about this, but I'm slightly leaning town on GlowingBear at this time. KelsierSC I'm suspicious of KelsierSC. He opened the game very aggressively, pushing suspicion at many players (LightningStrike, rsoultin, and Damdred). His read development on these three players is very interesting. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: The initial scumread.you have used 3/10 already 1 to say hello and then 2 more to say you are going to play like someone else and that you will have a hard time posting seems like you are trying to cover potential inactivity/shit posts already, not looking good. for you. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Lightningstrike - called him scum because his first 3 posts were terrible and he has run away like a scaredy cat. pretty weak response overall On May 10 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote: LS, that wall of text is hard to read but it's good you are putting reads and stuff forward, I will retract my scum read on you for now. I don't think you have said anything particularly controversial in your post, things are sort of "odd" "pretty bad" "we shall see", can you go against the wall of text style and maybe give some towns and some scum? if you don't have any then just say that On May 10 2015 23:45 KelsierSC wrote: well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore. I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now I don't see how KelsierSC's read progression matches LightningStrike's play. KelsierSC was very suspicious of him early on, and then dropped these suspicions for seemingly little reason at all, while still stating reservations (specifically, that LightningStrike's post didn't make any strong reads). Later, KelsierSC says that LightningStrike being all over the place isn't alignment indicative, suggesting that he has some knowledge of LightningStrike's meta. But this indicates that KelsierSC's early suspicion of LightningStrike is false. KelsierSC keeps going back and forth with his LightningStrike read, and this doesn't look good to me. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: No if you were traitor you would know by now. rsoul you got a mafia yet? On May 10 2015 11:35 KelsierSC wrote: I don't really understand why people are so quick to call rsoul town. Nothing jumps out at me as being particularly townie. A lot of people seem quick to call her town and sort of buddy up. She is bringing up the points she things are important but I don't agree with all of it. i don't agree with the HTS read and the rest of what she says is pretty lacklustre On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul - Lot of people call her town but I don't really know her style, her posts give me brain cancer. If you break down what she has said so far the only real commitment is HTS is scum, everyone else is "leaning town" or "town" From there, KelsierSC adds rsoultin to his town circle. On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town. I don't understand what KelsierSC was doing with his initial question to rsoultin. Initially, I thought it was most likely asking for rsoultin's townreads because he was townreading rsoultin and wanted to know. However, KelsierSC denied this, so he was either genuinely curious (in which case he didn't seem at all interested in the answer or its implications) or using the question as a means of pushing suspicion onto rsoultin (which didn't result in a read of rsoultin). Either way, when I asked KelsierSC for a read on rsoultin, he just complained that people were townreading rsoultin for bad reasons, and his read seemed to end up at null. He basically is suspicious of rsoultin for no good reason, and then is more focused on showing why other people's townreads of rsoultin are bad than doing anything else, while his own read on rsoultin is null. Damdred + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 11:29 KelsierSC wrote: you believe HTS has a forced tone and is mafia? but you just wrote she has a good tone about her. that is what is confusing me, how can rs have good ideas about hts but hts have a good tone to you? Initially, KelsierSC is suspicious of Damdred for a contradiction in his reads. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Then KelsierSC included Damdred in his town circle. But then, he proceeds to argue with Damdred over some townreads, eventually resulting in this:Damdred - probably the person i've been struggling with the most. I didn't like his early rsoul read but he has defended it pretty well, I also didn't like his prepared play, to be honest it didn't look like it achieved much, but I guess Damdred decided Trfel and I were town from it and got called scummy for it. It seems a strange thing to do as scum, so i'm not going to wide eyed over it. I think his GB reads were actually quite strong post (8), they seemed to come from a town perspective. following on from that he has been active this phase and generated a lot of discussion so overall I think he is town for now. On May 11 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: KelsierSC has no reason to argue with his townread, and eventually reluctantly agree that he went nowhere and Damdred is still (grudgingly) town.as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes KelsierSC seems to be playing to keep his options open. He is throwing a lot of suspicion around, especially early in the game, and his reads change in a way that I have difficulty explaining from a town mindset. However, KelsierSC has been extremely active and promoting discussion. He completely ignored the Night 0 post limit. This makes me much more hesitant to scumread him, because I don't think that scum would be posting so much. But I do not think that activity alone is a good enough reason to townread him here. Town Reads Damdred + Show Spoiler + Initially I felt that Damdred was suspicious for making reads that felt strange to me (for reasons I don't care to elaborate on at this time). However, he has been widely townread. Were Damdred mafia, I would have expected him to back off a bit, but he has continued to change his reads and find new suspicions. Furthermore, he's brought up some better points lately. I don't really see Damdred being mafia with this play. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + Good analysis and focused. My tonereads still need work, apparently. (not that this is anything new) sandroba + Show Spoiler + He's extremely focused on his scumreads, for which he provides some good points. And he also seems willing to discuss and reconsider. Enough to townread him for now, at least. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + I'm sleepy. Questions Damdred and VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I really don't like what batsnacks is doing so far this game, he comes across as trying intentionally to be mysterious and nonsensical. A style we can all pretty much recognize I'm sure. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Firstly VE, I like your batsnacks part about how he is trying to be intentionally mysterious. Please explain what you mean in these quotes, about batsnacks being "intentionally mysterious"? What does this make you think about his alignment? KelsierSC: Can you please respond to the above points that I made? (just the main points will suffice) The way that I arrived at my town reads is explained in the posts so I don't know what I can add apart from a summary. rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me. Lightning strike - initially i called him mafia to put pressure on him because his early posts were pretty awful, he came out and started contributing things so I moved him back to null. his business with hts being mafia then town felt like someone floundering as mafia but some people believe that it isn't alignment indicative for him to be that way. I think he is mafia though. damdred - I mean if someone contradicts themselves it is natural to question them, I explained that I struggled to read damdred but my explanation is in the post you quoted. when i questioned him about his townread of TD it is because i firmly believe TD is mafia and if someone in my town circle disagrees I want to explain why they are wrong and get them over to my side. I'm not reluctant that Damdred is town though. I don't feel like i'm hedging and trying to keep options open , I feel I have been clear with who I think is mafia and who I want to push on. | ||
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You don't get to use me as a pawn, ask yourself dear. | ||
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On May 11 2015 20:57 marvellosity wrote: You don't get to use me as a pawn, ask yourself dear. No, that's not how it works. You have to tell sandroba why he is mafia or alternatively tell me why he isn't. | ||
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On May 11 2015 20:58 sandroba wrote: I guess you know whose smurf it is. But both the other reasons I don't agree with. Only a couple people found him suspicious and most others dissagreed or ignored my post on him. Your posting seems a lot different this game. Any specific reason for the lack of enthusiasm? You don't seem to be trying to figure out the game and everything you say seems a bit bland. no, you misunderstand the things I put in brackets were the circumstances where I'd feel like I had to say something, not reasons for anything | ||
marvellosity
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On May 11 2015 20:59 Palmar wrote: No, that's not how it works. You have to tell sandroba why he is mafia or alternatively tell me why he isn't. no, I really don't, because if you want to kill him you need my vote, not the other way round. You know you can't possibly win this, right? ^^ | ||
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In conclusion we lynch BH. | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:00 marvellosity wrote: no, I really don't, because if you want to kill him you need my vote, not the other way round. You know you can't possibly win this, right? ^^ Maybe my end game isn't winning this. | ||
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marv, what do you think about TD saying this, it came after you had made about 3 posts I believe On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote: marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1. | ||
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On May 11 2015 21:17 KelsierSC wrote: I like what marv has said so far, about BM . I was actually thinking that no scum would make that play because it is so terrible but the reasoning behind the play is so bad that this guy should probably die. marv, what do you think about TD saying this, it came after you had made about 3 posts I believe I think the man has exceptionally good taste. | ||
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