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On April 07 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.
I think the above are mafia traits. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf... Are you Mafia with Damdy?
On April 07 2015 22:07 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear
I might be voting for a townie now. But seriously...
On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said.
On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. + Show Spoiler +Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post?
Palmar said that at April 07 2015 19:39
So Koshi isn't evaluating my behaviour in regards to GB and Palmar. That I asked Palmar to go into his scumreads, that I discussed it with him, that I accepted his reasoning on GB ultimately. But this isn't even my best point.
The most scummy thing here is that he only seems to scumread GB when I point out that he called Palmar town on the previous page, and yet gives Palmar's case as reason to scumread GB later on.
In that case there was no reason for him to say "I might be voting for a townie", cause apparently he already agreed with what Palmar said.
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Vivax/Onegu/Obiwan
GB can go out.
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I'll quickly explain my actions in the Vivax case.
I voted for GB because he said something really dumb, so dumb that I thought he could be town for saying that dumb thing. But I had to vote him nonetheless. That's why I added "I am voting for a town" line.
When rsoultin asked me to explain my reads I just said "What Palmar said" because I remembered vaguely Palmar said something smart.
tldr: Vivax is mafia.
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So you never even believed what Palmar said when you justified your GB scumread, you only vaguely remembered he said something smart. Lol ok.
Posting a defense of yourself doesn't make me mafia, so that tl dr is displaced.
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On April 08 2015 16:47 Vivax wrote:
So you never even believed what Palmar said when you justified your GB scumread, you only vaguely remembered he said something smart. Lol ok.
Posting a defense of yourself doesn't make me mafia, so that tl dr is displaced.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Man... I am pretty sure I have nailed the scumteam.
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You're just imitating your town meta of tunneling me in every game I'm town.
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On April 08 2015 03:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 22:16 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf... Because I thought he was nitpicking just to generate discussion. Since he isn't, and since he thinks I was posting just to post, I am reevaluating my position. He is calling me Mafia for a single post I've made without evaluating my overall gameplay. More than this, he is calling me Mafia for something that is null indicative and that other players have been doing (ritoky, for example). He is having a groundless tunnel and double standards by parroting Damdred. It fits perfectly the Mafia partner that comes to defend his buddy from a call out, discrediting the other player I don't agree with the bolded. If you read my biggest post, and a followup after that, it's clear that I don't believe you were trying to be funny. It is super clear that ritoky's opening posts are trying to be funny/trolling. That's the difference. I know why ritoky posted. I don't know why you posted. "I believe in you but I don't really believe in you." I'm confused
This is the scummiest post in the thread.
In my mind, this here confirms GB as mafia. It would probably be best if we made the lynch today between me and him because I am from this point probably never dropping this tunnel. There is no way I will ever believe he would post something like this as town. I'll explain why.
GB's weird assumption is that I have to apply the same standards of believing in everything he says. This is obviously not the case. There is absolutely no need for me to be consistent with what I believe and what I don't believe from GB because I'm valuing everything against what I think. In this specific scenario it goes like this:
On April 07 2015 21:41 Palmar wrote:
Like to be clear, I BELIEVE you when you say you were not trying to stop the discussion. I have never questioned that.
I believe this because if he was actually trying to stop the discussion his attempt was incredibly futile. If he was indeed trying to stop them I'd have expected him to try a much more authoritative tone. "Stop this now guys", or something to that effect. Because his post doesn't really sound like he is actually trying to stop them arguing, I believe him when he says that he wasn't trying to stop them.
In this case, his story (I wasn't trying to stop them) is consistent with what I believe (his post didn't look like he was trying to stop them) so I believe him.
The reason I assumed he had been trying to stop them before he clarified, was simply that was the only reason I could think of that would make him post that.
The other one:
On April 07 2015 23:02 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:16 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf... Because I thought he was nitpicking just to generate discussion. Since he isn't, and since he thinks I was posting just to post, I am reevaluating my position. He is calling me Mafia for a single post I've made without evaluating my overall gameplay. More than this, he is calling me Mafia for something that is null indicative and that other players have been doing (ritoky, for example). He is having a groundless tunnel and double standards by parroting Damdred. It fits perfectly the Mafia partner that comes to defend his buddy from a call out, discrediting the other player I don't agree with the bolded. If you read my biggest post, and a followup after that, it's clear that I don't believe you were trying to be funny. It is super clear that ritoky's opening posts are trying to be funny/trolling. That's the difference. I know why ritoky posted. I don't know why you posted.
Here I DON'T believe he was trying to be funny or incite a response. The reason is the same as before. When I read his post it simply doesn't sound to me like he is trying to be funny. It sounds lazily exasperated to me.
In this case, his story (I was trying to be funny) is inconsistent with what I believe (the post wasn't funny, didn't look like it was meant to be funny) so I don't believe him.
Now everything above should of course not really have required an explanation, but I wanted to be extra thorough because this isn't getting the consideration it should. There is no way GB actually thinks that calling me out on being inconsistent with whether or not I believe him, when he knows it's perfectly natural to question some things people say and not question other things, is actually a valid thing to do.
There is no reason for him to do this unless he is mafia.
I am certain.
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Regarding HF's hidden reads. I sort of agree on Obi. I'm less sure I agree on yamato. Yamato just feels like he's not as meek as I'm used to when he's scum. But that's a shitty meta read and I don't trust it at all. I just don't think a yamato lynch is a good idea today.
He is a prime target for cop checking or vig shooting though. Although ironically, HF is too. Like HF should absolutely be shot or checked tonight.
I am catching up about 8 pages btw, and writing these as I go.
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On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him.
This is one of the most towny posts in the thread. Koshi now townread.
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11589 Posts
Super Tryhard Yamato Post
So I'm sure you're all wondering "why did anyone ever think this yamato guy was any good at mafia?"
Well, now you'll see.
Damdred
On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't.
Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?.
Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred.
He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important.
Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town.
Eden
To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics.
On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote:
all the grumpykins are mafia y/n?
I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID
On April 08 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote:
This is the list of wimps that called me scum but didn't vote me. Take note cuz at least one is mafia.
yamato
vivax
rsoultin
damdred
obi
My pick is Vivax for copying yamato right after yamato did and then not doing anything with it. My other pick is Obi because lol lack of energy but I actually think he might say that as town. It's definitely not rsoultin. Could I guess be Damdred (I didn't like him just calling my opening "bad" without explanation when I feel like he normally explains it more). But I kinda feel like Damdred might be town for some reason I don't know yet
Holyflare is prolly town. Koshi... Idk man, his posting style seems townie but he hasn't done a lot yet. When he's town there's normally a switch that gets flipped and he goes into obvtown mode, switch hasn't flipped yet. Palmar I like early.
That's everyone I think
These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME.
Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him.
As for his explanation...
On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts)
"skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then...
On April 08 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote:
oooh he is? that's weird cuz I don't remember him doing anything suspicious. his arguing with Palmar seemed a little pointless but not enough to lynch over.
who's voting for him?
>_________>
then we get the list post
On April 08 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote:New list, maybe probably last post before mtg tonight. I will maybe try harder when I get back from then, sorry my posting hasn't been great so far just haven't gotten into the swing of things yet I guess. 1. Damdred (Damdy wamdy): Seems like town!Damdred from what I remember. I might just be being lazy and missing inconsistencies in his posts but whenever I read his stuff it seems like it checks out. Searching and motivated early which is a good sign. 2. Koshi (Koosh ball): Tonally reads like town!Koshi to me, not seeing the productivity or the "on switch" for him yet. I feel like he probably will flip the switch at some point but I reserve the right to lynch him if he doesn't  3. Onegu (1gu): Literally don't even care, remember nothing but him posting lyrics. Dude just tends to troll and shit and get POE lynched late, hopefully he'll do something silly like claim mason in a way that can't possibly be scumread so I can read him. 4. ObiWanShinobi (obi trice, real name no gimmicks): Gets points for being the only motherfucker calling me mafia with the balls to put a vote on it, even though his reason was meh and I don't remember him doing much else. Not enough points to be town lean though. 5. GlowingBear (GB): I guess at some point I'll read what he said. If 4 people wanted to vote him over it then it must be important. But nothing he said really caught my attention the first time, seemed like some pointless nitpicking at Palmar but idk. I didn't read closely. zzz 6. DreadReturn (+ Show Spoiler +): This guy just posted and it sounded ok, which is great cuz otherwise I didn't remember he was even in the game. It seemed earnest though, he looks like he gives a shit. 7. rsoultin (+ Show Spoiler +): Count on it. 8.Palmar (Ram pal): I actually get this bad feeling in the back of my head that Palmar trying hard early makes him mafia, but his posting actually seemed pretty townie and I would much rather Palmar do this from now on so I'm gonna reward it with a townread. Seemed like he had a good direction to what he was digging into ( although I admit I don't really remember much of what he was digging into lol). It was around p15-16, maybe later I'll go find what made me think this. 9.Vivax(Viv): What a wuss. 10.Eden1892 (Eden Stevens)11.ritoky (Tokyo city? I got nothing): His gifs early were funny but he hasn't done anything yet. Having now seen a few of his games as either alignment recently I think I can get a good read on him in time. 12.yamato77 (Weapon Refit): Also a wuss, and it feels like he's doing a lot of grumpy posting without trying to fix the things he's grumpy about. Take with a grain of salt though because literally the exact last time I accused him of this he was town :/ I had him as italics red which is scumlean but thinking over this more he should probably be null. I'm not good at reading yamato but I don't like his early posting. 13.HolyFlare(Not DP): I generally like the arguments he's made so far and I look forward to the game show!!!!
Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION
HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!)
His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke.
Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread.
On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote:y not  i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it...
Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?!
Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this:
On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 13:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 08 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote:On April 07 2015 13:26 GlowingBear wrote:
So, first page of the game and we already have an Obi VS Holyflare discussion. Sigh. I know this has been talked about already but: GB what was the point of this? HF and Obi looked like they were joking and then you suddenly seemed really seriously upset about it. You went on to say something about "deja vu" but I dunno what you're referencing. This post seemed a bit out of place so... what's goin on here? On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.
I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point. This is similarly weird because I didn't see how HF was trying to get information out of anyone or doing anything really but fucking around. And I don't see how GB turned the conversation back to joking around? In fact it was kinda the opposite, GB got serious in a way that felt a bit off tonally when HF was joking around with Obi. On April 07 2015 14:03 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 13:55 Damdred wrote:On April 07 2015 13:48 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:On April 07 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 13:37 Damdred wrote:
No seriously what's the point of you pushing on hf when he's trying to get information out of someone. So what the thread took a serious turn you just drew the conversation away from potential information into more joking.
I don't see why a town would want less information in thread at this point. Serious turn? They were joking at each other. How can the "wambulance" gather useful information? The most serious post here was about HF teasing obi. You disagree with this? My post is the most serious. But you jumped in instead of seeing where it would go Damdy, I made a joke. I didn't ask them to stop talking. You're nitpicking something that has no significance. You also avoided answering my question. Why? which part? How obi hash left the thread after you interjected and called hf mafia somewhat? We lost information idk what question I'm avoiding I asked what you think of what I said about HF teasing obi. I don't understand what kind of information you were expecting from that discussion. Also, if you think that HF was getting information out of obi and that obi took the chance to get out of the thread because I said HF is mafia, do you think obi is mafia? This is a pretty good sequence IMO by GB. Damdred never answers this from what I can see in his filter, there's this half-answer in Damdred's post when he returns but it's not really a direct response. I think that makes Damdred a little suspicious because his initial assessment about what GB was doing was wrong and it looks like he was just taking the chance to pile on GB when he could. Based on these posts GB is actually probably town and Damdred is slightly suspicious. I haven't gotten to the part where everyone decided GB is mafia but I already think it's wrong, so that could be fruitful. I had nothing in mind when I posted that, I just thought it was a funny thing to point out. The déjà vu thing is exactly that: I always see them engaging that kind of argument. So, after these considerations of yours, what are your updated reads? You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne
Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum?
Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh.
On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:05 Eden1892 wrote:On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. how apathetic? if you have a specific game in mind I can check out that'd be great, because he doesn't seem all that motivated here either so far but (1) i misread him on this exact point before lol and (2) you're saying it's worse than this so a specific example would be gr8 m8 Read showdown. holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him
And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all?
Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread.
Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues.
Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play.
Holyflare
I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia!
http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png
Boils down to:
"yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia"
lolhf
fucking play the game.
http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png
Also boils down to:
"obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia"
lolhf
fucking play the game.
(notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf)
alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town
ObiWan
Obi doesn't like HF (but doesn't scumread him), likes Eden (now, not before), and is convinced that I'm town.
ehhh
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 14:01 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 14:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 08 2015 13:57 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 13:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rsoultin, yamato is probably not mafia. lol he was supposed to be proving to me his awesome towniness this game why is he probably not mafia? Because he's actually playing the game. His posts aren't jaw-droppingly excellent but he's talking about stuff. rofl i'm sorry but if we all had the same bar you apparently have for him none of us would be mafia xP what exactly is he talking about? i see a lot of sniping and little-to-no explanation what specifically makes you think he's town? In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. This is not true.
DreadReturn
Smurf = -2 townpoints
We're not starting off well here.
On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.
Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia.
What it fails to realize is this:
GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.
Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be.
As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him.
On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?
Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense.
Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.
Plus, he's a fucking smurf.
Koshi
On April 08 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said. Vivax - How? HF - who would it be if not him? (reasons please xP) GB - so what palmar said and not what damdy said? what do you think about them interpreting GB's post completely differently, yet arriving at the same conclusion? lol also i think koshi has mentioned trying to not be so UBER KOSHI SPAMMER AMAZING TOWNIE several times over his last several games (joat, the one that hasn't finished yet, etc. etc.) however you usually can't keep it bottled long xP i wouldn't mind posts of more substance even if you're determined to keep them few <3 I am pretty sure Vivax is mafia. His posts are off. I can't/wont explain it yet. HF could be anything. But he isn't a townread. If he isn't mafia anybody else except Damdred could be mafia. I don't know what Damdred said. I am reading the thread though. It was probably smart because I like Damdred this game.
I like this post from Koshi. He could be wrong, of course, but I like how he's thinking about the game and how he comments on people's alignment. He is almost constantly voting and posting his little scum team updates and such which shows that his reads are evolving. No reason to believe he's mafia.
On April 08 2015 16:43 Koshi wrote:
I'll quickly explain my actions in the Vivax case.
I voted for GB because he said something really dumb, so dumb that I thought he could be town for saying that dumb thing. But I had to vote him nonetheless. That's why I added "I am voting for a town" line.
When rsoultin asked me to explain my reads I just said "What Palmar said" because I remembered vaguely Palmar said something smart.
tldr: Vivax is mafia.
Plus this. Koshi humor is hilarious. Can't lynch this guy.
Onegu
Has only trolled. I have never seen Onegu only troll. I literally don't know how to read him this game. Someone else do it for me.
GlowingBear
THE MOMENT OF TRUTH
WHAT DO I NOW THINK ABOUT GB?!?!?
I'll skip over to the posts I have yet to comment on.
On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 04:24 Koshi wrote:
No it isn't. I also have no opinion on Eden. Maybe a slight townread. But hey. Not posting doesn't help him. It is. Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia.
Apparently he actually believes the idea that Palmar is mafia. Essentially alignment null, but worth noting.
He also soulreads HF town for the game thing, even though Obi literally pointed out that HF has done this shit as mafia before. Could just be a really bad player.
He is one of the most active players, and while I disagree with his reads and how he approaches the game, it's difficult to believe that GB is actually mafia here. He is most likely similar to Eden in that they say horrible and bad things all the time but are actually just town. So yeah.
Plus, it makes more sense if he's town given that mafia-DR is chainsaw defending him. Will switch my vote posthaste.
rsoultin
lots of her earlygame is marv-esque poking and prodding that I generally tend to like in a player, as it shows both a clear attentiveness to the thread and a willingness to interact with people about their reads to provide more clarity.
On April 08 2015 13:53 rsoultin wrote:
damn it all i'd just finished.
oh well
just gonna post a marv-like list of awesome right here and if y'all want more, ask
Town
Glowingbear
Holyflare
Onegu - my boi ^^
Eden - bumpted up for recent posts
Townish
OWS - the cluelessness is real <3
Koshi
Maybe Town?
ritoky - like the laidback approach but otherwise hard to read
dreadreturn
Null
Palmar - equal pluses and minuses but one post that tonally feels town so eeeeh
Scummy
Vivax - lack of commitment to reads on a whole, some weird waffling with no conclusions
Damdred
Yamato - goes from prob mafia on hf to don't give in to his stupidity? sniping. no explanation for reads
i'm cool with lynching anyone in the scummy section but can we please lynch yamato? -bats eyelashes-
Her reads aren't bad, but I fail to understand Damdred as scummy at this juncture. I also don't understand a townread of Onegu. Not going to nitpick here, she seems to be reading the thread and clearly cares about finding a good lynch, even if it is on me.
Palmar
I've talked quite a bit about what I think of Palmar already, but I will say that I hope he comes back to the thread to update his reads and continue to push other things. I wouldn't like it if he continued to push GB or if he reverted to trolling. Yes, this is putting an expectation about a player's play out into the thread and preempting their return (which is bad, don't do it) but I'm confident enough in my ability to read Palmar that I'm not concerned with him knowing what I would usually expect.
Vivax
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Vivax is a decent mafia player, when he wants to be. His towngame is... lacking. I have conflicting opinions on his filter.
One one hand:
On April 08 2015 12:55 Vivax wrote:
Good morning, it's 5:54 AM here. 2 Pages left to read.
Yamato Palmar town heroes.
Koshi seems to have the usual boner on me.
DreadReturn shitty excessively focused post.
Eden just focuses on people calling his shitty post shitty instead of discussing if it is shitty. Good method of skipping over the GB stuff.
Obi Wan just typed "this is infuriating". Now I'm curious.
On the other:
On April 08 2015 18:28 Vivax wrote:
You're just imitating your town meta of tunneling me in every game I'm town.
D:
Dunno. Would like to know why Koshi/rsoul think this guy is scum.
ritoky
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On April 08 2015 15:27 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:On April 07 2015 21:53 Palmar wrote:
Like that's the entire reason I'm voting you. I believe you posted without saying anything. Interjected yourself into a discussion without adding anything.
I think the above are mafia traits. On April 07 2015 22:06 Vivax wrote:
You just said you don't think he's mafia wtf... Are you Mafia with Damdy? Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 22:07 Koshi wrote:
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I might be voting for a townie now. But seriously... Show nested quote +On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said. Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. + Show Spoiler +Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Palmar said that at April 07 2015 19:39So Koshi isn't evaluating my behaviour in regards to GB and Palmar. That I asked Palmar to go into his scumreads, that I discussed it with him, that I accepted his reasoning on GB ultimately. But this isn't even my best point. The most scummy thing here is that he only seems to scumread GB when I point out that he called Palmar town on the previous page, and yet gives Palmar's case as reason to scumread GB later on. In that case there was no reason for him to say "I might be voting for a townie", cause apparently he already agreed with what Palmar said.
Read this from Koshi. It's BS.
1) He only votes when I point out that GB derped on his read.
2) After he voted he said he scumread GB cause Palmar case. Obviously a lie.
3) Replies he just voted cause Palmar said something smart.
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On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: Show nested quote +On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.
I hate it when terrible players smurf.
1) argue with semantics. Okay, let's call it mild banter then, fine.
2) No, there's no logical gap. His post just serves no purpose, neither valuable purpose (like scumhunting or thread controlling) nor other purpose (being funny, trolling someone, socializing etc). This post stands out to me because it does. Almost everything else I can at least understand what the poster was trying to do. Posting stuff that adds nothing to the discussion, no matter how awful the discussion is, is a mafia trait.
3) I'm not exaggerating anything. I posted exactly what happened and exactly what my thoughts are on it and why.
Why don't you call me mafia if you think I'm being so disingenuous in everything I do?
Welcome to #2 on my mafia shitlist.
I am okay with this though.
If GB flips mafia I'm lynching you for defending a teammate and if GB flips town I'm lynching you for TMI.
How do you like that plan?
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I could consider lynching DR today yamato.
I am okay with sheeping my #1 townreadbro.
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Count me in on the lynch DR club.
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Didn't understand shit of how the stuff Palmar said makes GB mafia, I'm moving to DR.
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I wonder if DR is OdinOfPergo.
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But I don't think it is BH unless BH is going really hard with the WIFOM in other threads.
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