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Onegu

United States9695 Posts

March 04 2015 02:47 GMT

#2021

Stop it I R Town. I'll even solve the game to prove it just give me 48-60 hours.

yamato77

11589 Posts

March 04 2015 02:49 GMT

#2022

On March 04 2015 11:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

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True enough but I've not seen a game where his teammates couldn't do it for him.

dunno how BH handles this

but it's pretty inconsequential anyway

_Tormented_

United States157 Posts

March 04 2015 03:32 GMT

#2023

We could just kill just kill off the people who didn't vote to kill artanis. didn't tronak switch to FF with prob then switched back to artanis when it was obvious no one was really going along with FF.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

March 04 2015 03:47 GMT

#2024

That'd be fun, lynching tronak.

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 06:51 GMT

#2025

Good morning, my plan for today:
1) Give any possible scum feedback in Kelser/Onegu's filters.
2) SL & Shining same for them as long i have enough time.
-FF and Eden, I will ignore while Kelser/Onegu is scum.

3) Prepare my business trip before vanishing from game for about 23h starting from 1h before N3 ends.

Before doing that and to not ignore the posts above this one:
-Thanks FF for explaining the roleblock thing better than SL could by himself. I understand now.
-No I'm not mafia, if you or anyone need my explanation of why I switched from tunneling pushing Artanis into FF and back to Artanis you will find it in pages 4,5 and 6 of my filter (Shining pushed me about it at the end of D2).

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 07:23 GMT

#2026

HtS/Kelser/Onegu scummy feedback

HtS:
1)-Her first read of the game = Prob is probable town.

On February 24 2015 10:18 Half the Sky wrote:
In any case, as far as Prob being serious...I don't know him. I don't know whether people played more serious back in the day, assuming he's another old timer.

He's serious but he's not stiff. I don't sense any discomfort in his posts. He seems assertive/comfortable from what I read of his posts so he's probably town.

2) Tone reads about Artanis and Eden being "laid back".
3) Last post: Yamato is scummy

On February 24 2015 11:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Yamato is coming off elusive so far. He seems scummy. Not answering the question. The disappearance, the reappearance.

And then these last few posts. Elusive.

4) Then she AFK and is replaced by Kelser.
TLDR "HtS": with me assuming Yamato is town and Prob being mafia = she can perfectly be scum.

I'll continue with Kelser

Onegu

United States9695 Posts

March 04 2015 08:24 GMT

#2027

Ok yeah I will make my shining case in the morning just finished the filter and really believe that's your final mafia right there. You can thank me for solving the game tomorrow.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

March 04 2015 08:58 GMT

#2028

On March 04 2015 17:24 Onegu wrote:
Ok yeah I will make my shining case in the morning just finished the filter and really believe that's your final mafia right there. You can thank me for solving the game tomorrow.

I'm excited.

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 09:10 GMT

#2029

KelsierSC

1) Opening: give me time and trolling
2) First reads:

On February 25 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd lynch

Tormented,Damdred,Node,Tronak and SL

3) Followed by:

On February 25 2015 06:15 KelsierSC wrote:
##vote sicklucker

On February 25 2015 06:31 KelsierSC wrote:

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did I say that, wow my memory is terrible.

SL felt like mafia then he made some fucking terrible post so I voted him.

He refusing to explain more atm.

4) 2nd read: Damdred feels like mafia

On February 25 2015 06:29 KelsierSC wrote:

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feel like mafia

5) 3rd read: prob and snarf are ok but I wont explain why

On February 25 2015 07:00 KelsierSC wrote:
prob and snarf seemed ok

When asked why by Damdred he answers:

On February 25 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:

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i don't have reads on everyone in the game.

??? super scummy answer

6) Then SL and me ask him why are we scum in his eyes, answer: he doesnt like my "summary" post and SL posts are shit.
7) He suddenly reads town on Node

On February 25 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote:
that post from node is really good
he/she is town.

For a single post:

On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:

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We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day.

And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far.

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"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town."

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"Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia."

Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious.

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On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

There we go. Here's what I have written on Node:

On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile.

Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on.

From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective):
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On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:
I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why:

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This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited)

Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing.

There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum.

##vote BlackMamba24

What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads.

From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon):
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On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.

Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing.

So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta

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Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct.

Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information.

This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)

8) ##unvotes SL
9) Then says he wouldn't lynch Tronak or Tormented because we are "new".
10) Then reads scum on Eden:

On February 25 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote:

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I get the same impression of him, a lot of his play seems , opportunistic. His post about node was just "you called him mafia, but you did the same thing" I didn't really like that at all.

I'm looking at his play this game compared to the game in Titanic. what I have noticed is that he does give a lot of early town reads in that game.

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In titanic he gives a lot of easy town reads but he backs them up with reasons.

When he has been going this game is giving his town list.

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But he hasn't really given reason for any of them. Just yeh they are town.
So then I also look at this post of his about you.

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On February 24 2015 14:06 Eden1892 wrote:

On February 24 2015 12:41 Probulous wrote:
##Vote Damdred
First up he starts real wishy-washy, sure it's early game but you are accountable for your posts.

On February 24 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
I would so sheep you artanis, best mayor ever.
I am a relative newb expect little from me, except I rekt scum.
Also rng is out the window, we lynch scum today

I've explained before why that first post is scummy. OK, early game, give the guy a break.Then out of nowhere comes this

On February 24 2015 10:37 Damdred wrote:
Hts I think Eden is Scum. You didagree

On February 24 2015 10:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred you also were in Titanic with us. Why do you think Eden is scum?

Which to me is a reasonable response from HTS. Especially since everything seems to be based on the fact that Eden is happy? Like what kind of reasoning is that? If there are other reason I'd like to hear them but Damdred never answered the question. Then instead of really pushing Eden to contribute more he just random switches to HTS.

On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts

OK we get a little more explanation about Eden even then its soft as shit. The sort of thing that scum thrives on.We get sweet fuck all about HTS. The guy has no case for why HTS or Eden really, are mafia but he is quite happy to spout it about the thread and when asked to explain gives no reasoning. Classic scum scare tactics. Then when someone, who I assume is reasonably experienced (Sorry if that offends you Wave), goes in a different direction, Damred straight up tech-switches again.

On February 24 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote:
Cool stuff wave.
Anyway I'll give Hts some more time but its a gut read on her so far.
That's what he thinks of us

For those that want to know what searing insight Wave provided for this road-to-damascus transformation (ok, that was harsh), here it is.

On February 24 2015 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough

Might have.
##vote: damdred

A vote. He gets pressured and wilts. Instead of providing some explanation as to why he thinks HTS is scum, or perhaps trying to convince the rest of us to look into Eden and HTS, he simply gives up. Much easier to stay out of the spotlight and cast some suspicion around.

TLDR: Damdred starts by trying to lower expectations, calls Eden scum with little reasoning, calls HTS scum with even less and then backs off when given just a little pressure. Why would scum do this, well it provides nice cover if either of these two are up for a lynch without having to stick your neck out.

this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before.

So he had you as a maybe, but now you just enter his town pile. This feels like he is hedging his bets to see how the thread swings.

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This is shit tier.

overall his play feels less confident and more snipey, rather than being out there and making his voice heard.

Could lynch him easily.

11) Eden and me (sheeping Eden) push him. He dodges with elusive answers.
12) Starts his tunnel on SL

On February 25 2015 08:53 KelsierSC wrote:
fuck it mind blown time is now boys.

so I had SL as my scum read early because his posting was pretty fucking awful. just a feeling then he made this gem.

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Like this kind of "meta" read on damdred is like the most superficial garbage . Damdred can just talk to a thread it isn't beyond his intelligence. Maybe damdred is town but SL shouldn't be reading him town.

So then I'm like well SL makes bad reads as both alignments, and as for his arrogance, well he is an obnoxious mo fo in general. I remember in a mafia game he said he had hf "twisted around his finger" hehe

so i'm like ok maybe i'm not sure. let's step back , he's a fool. let's see what he does. Since I stepped back we get...

Nothing. He doesn't give a shit about this. Just two shit tier town reads.

I got him boys, join in on this

##Vote SickLucker

13) He almost insults me and Eden.
14) He votes Yamato

On February 25 2015 20:44 KelsierSC wrote:
No one read my case on SL? That sucks.

This looks good though

##unvote

##vote yamato77
You seem too anxious to prove yourself town than actually find a mafia.
Eden's case is ok too.

15) Starts pushing me to vote between Yamato & himself (since I had already said I would park Artanis case like no one was going to follow at that moment)

16) He will still vote SL or Yamato

On February 25 2015 23:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright. I agree his recent stuff has been good.

Id probably lynch sl or Yamato. I would lynch either of yhr two noob T's but id feel bad lynching a nooby on d1 and they could easily be town just coming across badly.
tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. This is actually important to me.

17) Questions Artanis-Artanis defends-He reads town on Artanis. Spamm and single lines while calling me anti town/mafia.
18) ##unvotes and votes Damdred and Yamato and finally SL again.
19) After this he asks for consolidation votes with this trio (SL-Yamato-Himself).
20) And pushes a lot SL lynch (why he hadnt pushed any of his scumm reads at all since then?)
21) A storm of single lines posts hard to follow pushing SL, pushing me to vote Wave, questioning Tormented...
22) Then Artanis convinces him that SL may be town.
23) So Eden's case comes and new wagon starts building.
24) He reads town on Wave
25) ##votes for Snarf.

TLDR KelsierSC Day1: damm hard to follow and stupid answers to legit questions = scummy, the only 3 players he never questioned were Artanis, Wave and Prob = towny, 2 of those players are mafia, the third was lynched vs Snarf in town-town lynch fight = scummy

Gotta do many things before continuing N1 and D2.

Onegu

United States9695 Posts

March 04 2015 09:22 GMT

#2030

On March 04 2015 17:58 Fecalfeast wrote:

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I'm excited.

Will expect many thanks. Going to sleep for now.

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 14:47 GMT

#2031

Continuing with KelsierSC N1&D2:

So D1 ended with this:

On February 26 2015 08:58 KelsierSC wrote:
inb4 wave and snarfs are both town and yamato,eden are mafia together

1) N1 started with Probolous mad at me for voting Wave (following Eden and him) but between that KelsierSC shoots this pearl:

On February 26 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote:
if we have a vigi just shoot snarfs then we can clear up d2 better.

Do not get confused by times in quotes (those are my time-zone) this happened during first minute of N1.

2) Now his lie:
This is from late D1:

On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I wasn't quoting you snarfs.

Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis.

yet now he's voting wave.

Which I answered:

On February 26 2015 08:53 Tronak wrote:

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I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view and not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave.

Now he comes with his lie again on early N1, helping Probulous's N1 push on me:

On February 26 2015 09:06 KelsierSC wrote:

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you did say you liked the snarf lynch i'm pretty sure.

Which I answered when I woke up and after explaining my vote on Wave and my read on Snarfs at that moment:

On February 27 2015 00:16 Tronak wrote:
And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?.

He never answered this.

3) And he continues mixing all things but never involving Artanis/Probolous mafia. With these 2 posts one after another he happens to read 4 mafias:

On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
why the fuck would anyone like tormented after that lynch?

snarf made some bullshit legacy post that offered nothing of interest, which he obviously didn't read properly. and that was enough to make him switch off him ?
yeh , no

On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden yamato team is real

On February 26 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote:

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it's a joke really. But If snarf is town then a Eden, yamato team could be real to me.

but snarf needs to die tonight or the game is guna be over.

11 minutes later:

On February 26 2015 09:29 KelsierSC wrote:
i understand this is a newbie game so I sort of understand why d1 was such a cluster fuck of scum like I could happily lynch anyone of this lynch right now.

SL, Tronak,Eden,Tormented,Node, Shining, snarf

[red]Whoohoo he would lynch whole town team and suddenly forgets Yamato that was teaming with Eden? lolololol[/ed]

4) Keeps wanting to shoot Snarfs before going to sleep

On February 26 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote:

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lol ok

i don't really give a shit about this game until vigi shoots snarfs

5) He wakes up and reads town on me and Damdred because of our posts. Keeps suspicious about Tormented though. And doesnt want any question from SL.
6) Then considers Artanis and Yamato can be mafia
7) Then switches to Yamato-Probulus and Node can team OR Snarfs be mafia.
8) The mix of options continues

On February 27 2015 04:28 KelsierSC wrote:
I think tomorrow we can look at
Artanis, Yamato,prob, node, tormented,

On February 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Also damdred if artanis is mafia then take back what I said on tormented being mafia. I doubt the new player tor would bus a veteran.

9) After copy/pasting most Yamato's filter reads him as "ok"

On February 27 2015 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
<I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion>
I actually think yomato looks ok EOD actually.

10) After jumping in Probolous filter:

On February 27 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote:
<I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion>
Prob would be my top lynch tomorrow

11) D2 starts: FF replaces Node.

On February 27 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast

12) And he pretty much tunnels this whole D2 while calling town on Artanis.
13) Except to remember us he would lynch Tormented too:

On March 01 2015 08:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I dunno about tormented

Mafia ir bad right?

Yamato and artanis both dont like him, you don't like him. Id lynch him probably and not wide eyed over it

14) Now his 2nd lie

On March 01 2015 08:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Damdred had list of scum

Right people get lynched

Artanis is town

So node is mafia.

When I answered that he replays that Damdred was wrong with Artanis:

On March 01 2015 08:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Let me explain to you tronak one more time.

People who are right get lynched.

But damdred is wrong on artanis.

So he was probably right on node.

So node/ff is scum

And we arrive EOD of D2

TLDR KelsierSC N1&D2: scum and weird switches from one side to another always mantaining Artanis as town

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 15:28 GMT

#2032

TLDR KelsierSC N2:

5 minutes before Artanys is lynched:

On March 01 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Do what you want

Done with this game.

N2 then he said: I suck and that he should look on Prob and SL again and maybe on Yamato without many explanations.

Then he focuses on his maths, wrong as Eden pointed to him, then correct.

To conclude he says before being banned: "so if we shoot wrong we lose a lynch right.
so in that case vigi shouldn't shoot unless he is pretty sure he hits scum"

So Vigi shouldnt shoot on N2 but he should have shot on N1 to Snarfs. He was prolly right but is just weird. Snarfs is shot 5mins later.

TLDR whole KelsierSC: he never really pointed to mafia lynched or made a correct case, if he was town we should look to SL otherwise I believe he really didn't drop anything very usefull.

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 15:35 GMT

#2033

TLDR Onegu: 6 posts during whole D3: suggest a why not vote shining? votes Prob though. I'll be happy to read his case on Shining.

yamato77

11589 Posts

March 04 2015 17:46 GMT

#2034

I townread Kels because of his rather genuine - seeming anger, but I suppose it's possible he was mafia and also angry.

Tronak

Spain217 Posts

March 04 2015 17:55 GMT

#2035

Well I'm exhausted at the moment Kel's filter + work stuff + my son care -Artanis flu arrived to him

- completely absorbed my time and I am not feeling like jumping in SL and Shinings filters today. Hope my inputs helped, I'll be around 5 more hours before my sleep+business trip and I'm looking forward to read others cases when I'm back.

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

March 04 2015 19:22 GMT

#2036

I like that case tronak

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 04 2015 20:33 GMT

#2037

where is this

i'm probably gonna sheep tronak onto you if this doesn't materialize fwiw

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

March 04 2015 21:53 GMT

#2038

On March 05 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:

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where is this

i'm probably gonna sheep tronak onto you if this doesn't materialize fwiw

Lol is this because you're my final scum, Onegu? I can't wait to see this case.

I'm sheeping myself onto you fwiw.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 04 2015 23:28 GMT

#2039

if i die, lynch onegu and sicklucker in order and win

Fecalfeast

Canada11355 Posts

March 04 2015 23:31 GMT

#2040

On March 05 2015 08:28 Eden1892 wrote:
if i die, lynch onegu and sicklucker in order and win

I complain about being town too often but if sicklucker is red he's probably just as pissed about rolling mafia so often.

Regardless, your will be done my liege

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