Newbie Mini Mafia LX - Page 65

On January 13 2015 13:39 geript wrote:

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to by meta, but in general your best defense is always scum hunting. You should try to address the "big stuff" but keep your focus on figuring out who mafia is. It's hard especially as pressure escalates, but you need to keep focus on getting your honest opinions out so that even if you do get lynched then your lynch gives direction.

On January 13 2015 12:01 -Celestial- wrote:
Some thoughts from my perspective. Bloody hard to play as mafia side in your very first game of forum mafia.

Anyway...I have to give a shoutout to rsoultin. You were the only person I actually felt pressured on my actual scum moves from. I wasn't lying in that mafia QT...everything I did D1 was basically 100% what I'd have done as town; although admittedly I probably was slightly less likely to move off the JJB vote in response to the blue claim than I would have otherwise been (that being said...I'm not sure I'd have changed or not even so, I was very much with LS on that point in that it just didn't feel right). Ok...it might not have been very GOOD town play but I can honestly say its pretty much what I would have done for my first game. Frankly I had zero reason for not playing as I would have played as town because honestly everyone seemed on the wrong tracks D1.

For D2 rsoultin put some nice pressure on me to the point where I genuinely felt threatened, all credit to you there. That was kinda scary. What totally threw my game and made me want to give up though was the bloody six-hour inquisition I was later subjected to. It felt meaningless as it felt like 95% of what I was being called out on was stuff that I would have done whether mafia OR town (because basically all of my D1 filter is what I'd have said as town). After that point I literally didn't give a damn about the game and I flat out wanted out. I was on the point of getting myself modkilled just to get away. I was pissed off and utterly fed up of playing. On top of the being called out for what I'd do as town thing there was the outright lies about my post progression. That was unbelievably frustrating and frankly I didn't want to play anymore. Though I eventually decided that I wasn't going to throw HtS under the bus like that by just outright giving up but I didn't have an out, so I thought about how to do damage.

Honestly without HtS there I WOULD have forfeited so thanks. Sincerely.

I'd been toying a little in the mafia QT with the idea of claiming a role (I mention claiming doc at 436 and cop at 462) but nothing serious. At that point I was just looking to throw out whatever I could to do as much damage as possible since the train felt fairly solid. Then Geript gave me the push to claim doc at 481 and...well the rest is history. It kinda blew the game open.

Honestly I wasn't expecting anything at all to come from that claim and I was exhausted. I was surprised that I'd apparently survived the train on D2, so I figured I'd just stick to posting like I was sulking. It gave me a reason for just keeping the hell out of the thread honestly, even if it made me look terrible. I figured I wouldn't last another day either way plus everyone had massive suspicion on me so absolutely everything I posted wouldn't be believed except to analyse for clues for mafia. Basically I was fatalistic...I knew I'd flip red on D3 and frankly it seemed an auto-lynch so I wanted to absolutely minimise the damage that flip would do by just basically not talking. I think we'd discussed as an outside possibility the idea of playing it as "mafia left me alive because they can just nullify me" but I honestly didn't believe that was a saving move. I was 100% dead as far as I could see. But as time went on everyone got on the "lets not lynch him D3 because its what the mafia would want!" train and I absolutely wasn't going to oppose that but I was pretty blown away that was actually happening.

It honestly still felt I was under a serious risk of a last minute train right up to the end. With that in mind I decided to just stay quiet, post minimally, and with my last set of reads (because I had to post SOMETHING) I figured that the best play was to vote on Shining whilst citing JJB as town. Doing those pretty heavily implicates JJB as mafia because people think I'm mafia and it just comes across as sloppy and desperate mafia play to anyone watching me, when in reality I was just trying to keep anyone from deciding to train on me (since by this point I'd pretty much outed myself, but nobody outright decided to lynchtrain me for it apparently). Ultimately though I felt it was a good setup if the game went further. By voting for Shining after wasting a vote on JJB D1 I tried to make JJB look really bad, so even if everyone decided last minute to switch and string me up, I might at least take JJB down the day after with me.

I absolutely should have been lynched D3 to be honest. No question. I'm actually pretty blown away that I survived.


Oh and a quick note to geript's analysis:
@geript: I put a reasoning down for a save on rsoultin because according to the role descriptions people are not informed if they're RBd. So I felt like I had to explain how I knew I'd been RBd. Probably unnecessary on reflection but still.


Wrapping up thoughts are that rsoultin really picked away at the scummy parts of my play D2 but then I got hammered by stuff that felt totally unrelated to that. Or more specifically either addressed stuff I'd have done as town anyway, rehashed arguments that rsoultin made and flat out lied about what I'd done. That was exhausting and outright depressing and frankly has made me feel like I don't think I'm going to play another game. I should have pushed to get back in the game more after D2 but honestly I was almost totally spent and sick of it all. I actually got chest pains as a result of that six hour session, broken only by dinner, it was horrible; and whichever side I'd been on you WOULD have found me scummy at that point because I was totally exhausted and posting garbage. So yeah, I pretty much gave up on trying to convince anyone of anything and was ultimately extremely surprised to find myself given a free pass from a simple destabilisation claim.

Also I think I had a tendency to get somewhat wrapped up in planning ahead. On D1 I had two or three different plans that had developed from what had been happening in thread as a way to get rsoultin mislynched because right throughout we (mafia team) were scared of a medic save on rsoultin, her seeming the obvious target. In the end it didn't matter because there wasn't a medic. But I was very caught up in the whole "getting her to look guilty" and perhaps a little tunnel visioned on that objective.



Anyway. My thanks:
- rsoultin. Out of everyone you genuinely threatened my more scummy actions and attitude on D2. Good reads, even if the medic claim totally threw you for a loop. My D1 play was pretty genuine, but I started losing control of the situation somewhat when you started picking away at the genuinely scummy stuff I was starting to post D2 after the lynch. Also trying to NK you was SCARY because we were terrified of a wasted kill.

- HtS. For keeping me in the game. I outright would have just quit if you'd not been around to chat to at that point. Also my confidence that you could have carried even if that lynch had gone through is unshaken. You're a better player than you give yourself credit for.

- kitaman27. Thank GOD you found us a replacement because I was looking to be lynched and a lynch and a modkill on two of the mafia would have really hurt after a great start of a blue lynch. Also to scott for stepping up for us.

- geript. For giving me the push I needed to actually go through with the idea of claiming something, and for recommending it be a doc claim. When I posted those thoughts I was just throwing out ideas, wouldn't have actually done it without encouragement because at that point I was just spent to be honest.

- sicklucker. Just there tons and provided a ton of good advice to the whole mafia team. Much love.



Still not sure I want to play ever again (that D2 stuff really, really got me down honestly; I don't know what to do about this whole thing now). But it was nice to win the game more or less on my birthday.

On January 13 2015 13:23 Trfel wrote:
This game made me really sad

I played horribly. Really sorry to everyone for my lack of contributing anything useful.

Still, definitely a lot of very strong newbie performances. In particular I did really like WarWaffle's play. Taking inactivity as a given, the rest of it wasn't bad at all. Especially that blue generic claim. The lynch was too bad.

Not blaming this one on anyone other than myself though.... oh well, hopefully I will play better next time.

Edit: How could I forget, thanks a ton to kitaman and Templar for hosting, as well as all of the coaches (especially GlowingBear, you #1!)

And Half the Sky, as expected, you play a really brutal mafia game. For the record, I was intentionally not attempting to read you, since I really badly wanted to call you scum but on D1 I just couldn't see any reasons for it.

On January 13 2015 13:49 Tubesock wrote:
GG guys, sorry I was an asshole.

On January 13 2015 13:23 Trfel wrote:
This game made me really sad

I played horribly. Really sorry to everyone for my lack of contributing anything useful.

Still, definitely a lot of very strong newbie performances. In particular I did really like WarWaffle's play. Taking inactivity as a given, the rest of it wasn't bad at all. Especially that blue generic claim. The lynch was too bad.

Not blaming this one on anyone other than myself though.... oh well, hopefully I will play better next time.

Edit: How could I forget, thanks a ton to kitaman and Templar for hosting, as well as all of the coaches (especially GlowingBear, you #1!)

And Half the Sky, as expected, you play a really brutal mafia game. For the record, I was intentionally not attempting to read you, since I really badly wanted to call you scum but on D1 I just couldn't see any reasons for it.

On January 13 2015 09:16 geript wrote:
At points, I'm likely going to be somewhat harsh on a bunch of people here. I'm not trying to do this to hurt your feelings, make you feel bad, make you never want to play mafia again, etc. Mafia is a really hard game to become good at and it often takes a bunch of experience and a lot of time. When you have that "magical game" where it all clicks, it's one of the best feelings in the world. I'm reading the game as critically and objectively as I can in hopes that you guys can take the critiques (whether overboard or not) both for your play (and other's play in this game) and use them to try and get better at mafia. Hopefully, this helps.
Day 1
Night 1
Day 2
Night 2
Day 3

On January 13 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Also all the coaches here any advice for me?

2. Half the Sky: Town: She made some silly posts at the start yes but everyone over analyzed them but not unusual from her type of entrance since she did similar entrances in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia and she been asking some good questions towards The Shining and been following through her questioning and also defended her posts in a manor I feel townie from her.

On January 13 2015 09:57 geript wrote:

I think that was part of it as it was never exactly clear how the number system works (although I actually find it rather interesting). That said, the larger issue imo was this towns unwillingness to lurker lynch (or even cop check lurkers). Like when you get to lylo with a player like Gumdrop/Scott who haven't posted much, you're probably best off just lynching them. That said, a number of times they'll be town. I've found it's often better to just kill lurkers early if there isn't a clear obvious scum lynch so that you can actually get a better lynch off later. Plus, you get rid of the 50/50 lurker lynch earlier so you can actually analyze things in the late game.

On January 13 2015 19:01 LoneMeow wrote:


Besides what advice I already gave you, I'd recommend trying to make your posts easier to read.

You tend to use very long and complicated sentences, which when combined with some grammar mistakes can make them quite tedious to read for a non-native English speaker.

Take this for an example:



What I think this means is:

Half the Sky is town because she made some silly posts at start which were overanalyzed. It's not unusual for her to do this as town (see Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia). She has been asking some good questions from The Shining and following through on them. She also defended her posts in a manner I feel is town.

Much easier to read this way to me at least.


As general advice to everyone, quote what you reply to!
Makes it much easier to get context when reading your filter. It also avoids the problem where someone else manages to post between the question and reply and you have to start guessing which post the reply was for.

On January 13 2015 16:44 TheWarWaffle wrote:

Getting lynched day 1 is a strong newbie performance? Participation ribbons for everyone... and it wasn't even you who hung me. I got hung and you got shot. How fair is that?