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On January 13 2015 09:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:50 Damdred wrote:
One of the best pieces of advice I can give in lylo is to go over every single thing thats happened in the game spam the thread if you have to. Don't afk votes or pile on votes it makes it easy for mafia to just fuck town over. Town must push what they really think is mafia, cel probably should of been lynched. D4 would of been autolynch I think, however scott was a pretty easy lynch jarjar made it harder on himself with his numbers i think. I think that was part of it as it was never exactly clear how the number system works (although I actually find it rather interesting). That said, the larger issue imo was this towns unwillingness to lurker lynch (or even cop check lurkers). Like when you get to lylo with a player like Gumdrop/Scott who haven't posted much, you're probably best off just lynching them. That said, a number of times they'll be town. I've found it's often better to just kill lurkers early if there isn't a clear obvious scum lynch so that you can actually get a better lynch off later. Plus, you get rid of the 50/50 lurker lynch earlier so you can actually analyze things in the late game.
Sadly I agree with this, a lurker lynch is better early. Gumdrop showed little want to play the game he was a good lynch honestly, its better than risking the game later to a replacement.
Good analysis geript
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TheWarWaffle should have used me
Trfel, I'm sorry I was unable to do a more in depth analysis with you but if you are willing to, I'm still up to evaluate your gameplay until your death. Btw, I've posted things in our qt.
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God damn it town I can't believe we didn't catch scum T_T
Cele that was a great claim timing but you should been lynched once Silver claimed since there is very little chance of a 3 power role town in a little set up like this.
Also all the coaches here any advice for me?
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Also I needed you GB 
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Hahaha I haven't read the thread yet but I can do the same kind of analysis with you, LS.
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Also I was happy I was 2/3 on who was scum in the OBS QT ^_^ Man I thought scott was town for reals with the way he enter the thread.
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On January 13 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
God damn it town I can't believe we didn't catch scum T_T
Cele that was a great claim timing but you should been lynched once Silver claimed since there is very little chance of a 3 power role town in a little set up like this.
Also all the coaches here any advice for me?
Nothing in specific. Just read through the overall analysis. It's worthwhile seeing what you and others missed and why town failed to lynch correctly.
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On January 13 2015 11:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
God damn it town I can't believe we didn't catch scum T_T
Cele that was a great claim timing but you should been lynched once Silver claimed since there is very little chance of a 3 power role town in a little set up like this.
Also all the coaches here any advice for me? Nothing in specific. Just read through the overall analysis. It's worthwhile seeing what you and others missed and why town failed to lynch correctly.
I did see a little bit but I didn't see much on me but I think my Night 1 Kill analyzis was one of the best ones of the game but sadly no one really paid attention to it
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Some thoughts from my perspective. Bloody hard to play as mafia side in your very first game of forum mafia.
Anyway...I have to give a shoutout to rsoultin. You were the only person I actually felt pressured on my actual scum moves from. I wasn't lying in that mafia QT...everything I did D1 was basically 100% what I'd have done as town; although admittedly I probably was slightly less likely to move off the JJB vote in response to the blue claim than I would have otherwise been (that being said...I'm not sure I'd have changed or not even so, I was very much with LS on that point in that it just didn't feel right). Ok...it might not have been very GOOD town play but I can honestly say its pretty much what I would have done for my first game. Frankly I had zero reason for not playing as I would have played as town because honestly everyone seemed on the wrong tracks D1.
For D2 rsoultin put some nice pressure on me to the point where I genuinely felt threatened, all credit to you there. That was kinda scary. What totally threw my game and made me want to give up though was the bloody six-hour inquisition I was later subjected to. It felt meaningless as it felt like 95% of what I was being called out on was stuff that I would have done whether mafia OR town (because basically all of my D1 filter is what I'd have said as town). After that point I literally didn't give a damn about the game and I flat out wanted out. I was on the point of getting myself modkilled just to get away. I was pissed off and utterly fed up of playing. On top of the being called out for what I'd do as town thing there was the outright lies about my post progression. That was unbelievably frustrating and frankly I didn't want to play anymore. Though I eventually decided that I wasn't going to throw HtS under the bus like that by just outright giving up but I didn't have an out, so I thought about how to do damage.
Honestly without HtS there I WOULD have forfeited so thanks. Sincerely.
I'd been toying a little in the mafia QT with the idea of claiming a role (I mention claiming doc at 436 and cop at 462) but nothing serious. At that point I was just looking to throw out whatever I could to do as much damage as possible since the train felt fairly solid. Then Geript gave me the push to claim doc at 481 and...well the rest is history. It kinda blew the game open.
Honestly I wasn't expecting anything at all to come from that claim and I was exhausted. I was surprised that I'd apparently survived the train on D2, so I figured I'd just stick to posting like I was sulking. It gave me a reason for just keeping the hell out of the thread honestly, even if it made me look terrible. I figured I wouldn't last another day either way plus everyone had massive suspicion on me so absolutely everything I posted wouldn't be believed except to analyse for clues for mafia. Basically I was fatalistic...I knew I'd flip red on D3 and frankly it seemed an auto-lynch so I wanted to absolutely minimise the damage that flip would do by just basically not talking. I think we'd discussed as an outside possibility the idea of playing it as "mafia left me alive because they can just nullify me" but I honestly didn't believe that was a saving move. I was 100% dead as far as I could see. But as time went on everyone got on the "lets not lynch him D3 because its what the mafia would want!" train and I absolutely wasn't going to oppose that but I was pretty blown away that was actually happening.
It honestly still felt I was under a serious risk of a last minute train right up to the end. With that in mind I decided to just stay quiet, post minimally, and with my last set of reads (because I had to post SOMETHING) I figured that the best play was to vote on Shining whilst citing JJB as town. Doing those pretty heavily implicates JJB as mafia because people think I'm mafia and it just comes across as sloppy and desperate mafia play to anyone watching me, when in reality I was just trying to keep anyone from deciding to train on me (since by this point I'd pretty much outed myself, but nobody outright decided to lynchtrain me for it apparently). Ultimately though I felt it was a good setup if the game went further. By voting for Shining after wasting a vote on JJB D1 I tried to make JJB look really bad, so even if everyone decided last minute to switch and string me up, I might at least take JJB down the day after with me.
I absolutely should have been lynched D3 to be honest. No question. I'm actually pretty blown away that I survived.
Oh and a quick note to geript's analysis:
@geript: I put a reasoning down for a save on rsoultin because according to the role descriptions people are not informed if they're RBd. So I felt like I had to explain how I knew I'd been RBd. Probably unnecessary on reflection but still.
Wrapping up thoughts are that rsoultin really picked away at the scummy parts of my play D2 but then I got hammered by stuff that felt totally unrelated to that. Or more specifically either addressed stuff I'd have done as town anyway, rehashed arguments that rsoultin made and flat out lied about what I'd done. That was exhausting and outright depressing and frankly has made me feel like I don't think I'm going to play another game. I should have pushed to get back in the game more after D2 but honestly I was almost totally spent and sick of it all. I actually got chest pains as a result of that six hour session, broken only by dinner, it was horrible; and whichever side I'd been on you WOULD have found me scummy at that point because I was totally exhausted and posting garbage. So yeah, I pretty much gave up on trying to convince anyone of anything and was ultimately extremely surprised to find myself given a free pass from a simple destabilisation claim.
Also I think I had a tendency to get somewhat wrapped up in planning ahead. On D1 I had two or three different plans that had developed from what had been happening in thread as a way to get rsoultin mislynched because right throughout we (mafia team) were scared of a medic save on rsoultin, her seeming the obvious target. In the end it didn't matter because there wasn't a medic. But I was very caught up in the whole "getting her to look guilty" and perhaps a little tunnel visioned on that objective.
Anyway. My thanks:
- rsoultin. Out of everyone you genuinely threatened my more scummy actions and attitude on D2. Good reads, even if the medic claim totally threw you for a loop. My D1 play was pretty genuine, but I started losing control of the situation somewhat when you started picking away at the genuinely scummy stuff I was starting to post D2 after the lynch. Also trying to NK you was SCARY because we were terrified of a wasted kill.
- HtS. For keeping me in the game. I outright would have just quit if you'd not been around to chat to at that point. Also my confidence that you could have carried even if that lynch had gone through is unshaken. You're a better player than you give yourself credit for. 
- kitaman27. Thank GOD you found us a replacement because I was looking to be lynched and a lynch and a modkill on two of the mafia would have really hurt after a great start of a blue lynch. Also to scott for stepping up for us.
- geript. For giving me the push I needed to actually go through with the idea of claiming something, and for recommending it be a doc claim. When I posted those thoughts I was just throwing out ideas, wouldn't have actually done it without encouragement because at that point I was just spent to be honest.
- sicklucker. Just there tons and provided a ton of good advice to the whole mafia team. Much love.
Still not sure I want to play ever again (that D2 stuff really, really got me down honestly; I don't know what to do about this whole thing now). But it was nice to win the game more or less on my birthday.
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On January 13 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:39 geript wrote:On January 13 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:
Now you know why the mafia qt was about the size of the game Hey, I did not post that much in mafia QT. I'd guess that 90% of QT was Half and Celestial talking to each other. Yea, two of us being the same timezone I think helped with coordination and such, we just kept at it.
That was a pretty massive help. That being said it left holes in coverage somewhat. And we had to be careful not to make it super obvious when we were coordinating on things. But I think we got off to a decent state where we'd each have our own thing to post about, but we'd be able to run it past each other first. So it was less obvious.
Advantages and disadvantages.
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On January 13 2015 11:58 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 11:47 geript wrote:On January 13 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
God damn it town I can't believe we didn't catch scum T_T
Cele that was a great claim timing but you should been lynched once Silver claimed since there is very little chance of a 3 power role town in a little set up like this.
Also all the coaches here any advice for me? Nothing in specific. Just read through the overall analysis. It's worthwhile seeing what you and others missed and why town failed to lynch correctly. I did see a little bit but I didn't see much on me but I think my Night 1 Kill analyzis was one of the best ones of the game but sadly no one really paid attention to it
Remember the adive is more so how to post effectively, how to play effectively and things to look for. Whether they're directly about your play, it can help give you an idea of how vets play. Hopefully that wall of text crit will seep into your continued play.
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On January 13 2015 12:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 11:58 LightningStrike wrote:On January 13 2015 11:47 geript wrote:On January 13 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote:
God damn it town I can't believe we didn't catch scum T_T
Cele that was a great claim timing but you should been lynched once Silver claimed since there is very little chance of a 3 power role town in a little set up like this.
Also all the coaches here any advice for me? Nothing in specific. Just read through the overall analysis. It's worthwhile seeing what you and others missed and why town failed to lynch correctly. I did see a little bit but I didn't see much on me but I think my Night 1 Kill analyzis was one of the best ones of the game but sadly no one really paid attention to it Remember the adive is more so how to post effectively, how to play effectively and things to look for. Whether they're directly about your play, it can help give you an idea of how vets play. Hopefully that wall of text crit will seep into your continued play.
Alrighty fair enough!
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In any case I think HtS played great throughout. scott did the best he could but he'd been left severely in the hole from the lack of posting from Gumdrop. My D1 play was just more or less townplay, then I just got totally walled with questions D2 and gave up; so basically terrible.
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On January 13 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Seriously though why wouldn't you guys listen to shining about how there cannot be a medic and a vet in a twelve person game. Especially when newb 12 person games generally only have 2 roles in it, crazy LS didn't talk about this. Medic+vet is way to town favored lol
I was dead? It was not like I can just get the train rolling on Celestial I should of thought of it myself tbh on that part but oh well.
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Also geript why did you call me Wubbybumpkins? Is it my new nickname on TL Mafia or does is it mean?
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On January 13 2015 11:22 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I haven't read the thread yet but I can do the same kind of analysis with you, LS.
Can you do it please?
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On January 13 2015 12:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also geript why did you call me Wubbybumpkins? Is it my new nickname on TL Mafia or does is it mean?
No. Wubbybumpkins is my pet name for WaveofShadow. I find it funny because of how over the top it is. It's kinda become a long standing joke.
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On January 13 2015 13:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 12:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also geript why did you call me Wubbybumpkins? Is it my new nickname on TL Mafia or does is it mean? No. Wubbybumpkins is my pet name for WaveofShadow. I find it funny because of how over the top it is. It's kinda become a long standing joke.
How did that joke even started rolf. By the way I never played with WaveofShadow before (shrugs) so I guess I am extremely noob . Also grepit when is the best time to use meta as a defense to your own play?
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On January 13 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Seriously though why wouldn't you guys listen to shining about how there cannot be a medic and a vet in a twelve person game. Especially when newb 12 person games generally only have 2 roles in it, crazy LS didn't talk about this. Medic+vet is way to town favored lol I was dead? It was not like I can just get the train rolling on Celestial I should of thought of it myself tbh on that part but oh well.
I thought you got lynched the day he claimed?
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On January 13 2015 13:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 12:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 13 2015 09:16 Damdred wrote:
Seriously though why wouldn't you guys listen to shining about how there cannot be a medic and a vet in a twelve person game. Especially when newb 12 person games generally only have 2 roles in it, crazy LS didn't talk about this. Medic+vet is way to town favored lol I was dead? It was not like I can just get the train rolling on Celestial I should of thought of it myself tbh on that part but oh well. I thought you got lynched the day he claimed?
Yep that I meant. No matter what I would of beenlynched just because of the blue claim.
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