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On September 05 2014 00:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 00:18 3d12 wrote:On September 04 2014 21:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually I'm curious. How is asking for reads scummy?
3d, have you played forum mafia before (you might have answered this before, but I'm lazy and don't want to search) I did answer this, and Templar is correct. I've never played forum mafia, only RL and that was about 4-5 years ago now. Is there really that much of a disparity in the meta between the two? live mafia = flailing around and yelling forum mafia = lynching people that flail around and yell
Well, you certainly hit the nail on the head for live mafia, so I guess I'll take your word that the meta is very different. I'm seeing some similar patterns, though, so I'll reserve final judgment for later on.
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It doesn't sound like someone new to mafia or someone who we gave the newbie card to earlier in the game.
Cool story about lynching me tmr oats i'll fight with you when that comes.
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On September 05 2014 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, it just doesnt sound like someone playing their first game of mafia. Lotta meta in that post. Like mafia stratagies and tendencies.
On September 05 2014 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote: *forum mafia.
You're saying the meta between the two is similar? Templar seems to disagree. I think we're thinking along the same lines on the Micchan situation, though. I know who you're planning to lynch, but how do you feel about batsnacks' stance on the issue?
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On September 05 2014 01:40 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 05 2014 00:29 3d12 wrote:On September 04 2014 22:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On September 04 2014 22:05 The_Templar wrote:On September 04 2014 21:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Actually I'm curious. How is asking for reads scummy?
3d, have you played forum mafia before (you might have answered this before, but I'm lazy and don't want to search) he said he played live mafia a few times, didn't say anything about forum mafia (he didn't know # of mafia) so I guess… no? Then that leads me to this question: did those who asked for other people's reads always turn out scum? Always? No. And no, asking for reads is not inherently scummy. I find the "explain why you find this important" behavior pretty scummy for D1, considering there's generally very little to find important before the first lynch. Again, this may be a difference in meta, but typically nobody's opinion is worth asking about on D1 and most people who do ask for opinions at that stage are too wrapped up in their mafia mindset to come up with an opinion of their own. This obviously wasn't the case with you, as you showed later on, but it did make me suspicious when my first posted impression of bat was taken to mean a true town read by a lot of people. Does this sound like a newbie writing it to anyone else? No... It really doesn't -.-
Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment.
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What micchan situation. And what issue 3d?
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On September 05 2014 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: What micchan situation.
On September 04 2014 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch all the people who overexpained their vote on micchien.
Mderg and another guy.
On September 04 2014 13:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Obi town too.
I'm pretty sure there were at least 2 late adopters of the micchan wagon, I'll check later.
Kita come on dude, you can do better than that
The situation where we plynched someone with no real reason, creating a bandwagon which was likely easy for scum to jump on. I think we're thinking along the same lines, I just want to see where your head is at.
On September 05 2014 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: And what issue 3d?
On September 04 2014 06:26 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 06:16 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 04 2014 06:05 batsnacks wrote: Picking easy targets is good they said. Lynch the low hanging fruit they said. Well now the doctor is dead and none of you have reads because the doctor never said anything. Taunting will help. Why don't you tell me what we should have done and who was most benefited by the doctor lynch? Taunting does help. It helps me cope with ya'll. We should have NOT voted the easiest possible target d1 and mafia is most benefited by the doctor lynch.
On September 04 2014 07:16 batsnacks wrote: Dude I have never said micchan was a townie. Never. The only thing I have said about micchan, and I said it -after- the lynch, was that he was a bad lynch.
I'm just curious to see what you think of these posts. Personally, my read from them is that bats is trying to gain favor by going post-hoc on the lynch, maybe to gain traction for his kita case. What do you see?
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Lol 3rd sc um are never gonna think about their actions strategically like that
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This is how I'm feeling right now. Bat snacks kit a dsmdred. Also possible is nb vivax mderg
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Always back to the same spot for us mush no matter what
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Chillax I got 6 scum reads
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On September 05 2014 02:54 kushm4sta wrote: Lol 3rd sc um are never gonna think about their actions strategically like that
What makes you say that? Personal meta, or a read you've got? This is a very strange insight, one that a townie typically wouldn't have...
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On September 05 2014 03:15 kushm4sta wrote: Chillax I got 6 scum reads
Be careful with that. The last person who posted 6 scum reads had a wagon started against him for it.
For real though, 6? Who? Also, do you play "townie until proven scum" or "scummy until proven town?"
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3rd I chose scummy till proven town. And the other thing just comes from playing a lot of forum mafia
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Update: missing deadline :/
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On September 05 2014 03:43 kushm4sta wrote: 3rd I chose scummy till proven town. And the other thing just comes from playing a lot of forum mafia
Mah nigga. +1 town point.
So how do you weigh in on the meta topic, then? Do you think RL mafia and forum mafia have similar metas, or would you consider them very different?
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I finally read through 3d's filter, which I had been putting off for a while. I don't find it necessary to write out a full explanation here, but the first thing that comes to mind is genuine. I've changed my mind about my initial suspicions of him earlier in the day. There are things that I don't totally agree with at times, but the posts make enough sense that he is either town or a really good scum player considering it's his first forum game. I'll go with town here.
The last few games I've played, I've found that the players that were in my blind spot were actually much more likely to flip mafia than the players that have done something widely thought as scummy. So this game I've tried to pay extra attention to these individuals. At first, that person was Oats. He said a few things that make me want to believe he is town, though I suppose he has played enough games that he knows what to say from the other side. Damdred, mderg, bunnies, and obi would be the other players that fits into this category. I've started reading through their filters, up I'm up against the clock. I wrote the post on batsnacks first, which probably wasn't the greatest time management on my part since I don't have much to say about anyone else yet. mderg looks like lynch bait. I want to say town, but he really needs to post more if he doesn't want to become a liability. I looked through damdred for quite a while since I felt that he was pretty bland, but I don't have a conclusion on him. bunnies I was leaning mafia on, but I'll definitely spend more time on her if I survive.
batsnacks
I want to bring up his case against myself again, because it's contents is so incredibly ludicrous that I'm baffled that he can end the day bragging that his vote "was in an excellent spot and that he stands by his decision." Like in the 50+ games that I've played, this honestly might take the cake as the most illogical case I've seen against myself.
On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: I just wanted to see what people would do if I posted an I Ching reading. I was also curious what the reading would be. The I Ching is useful in gaining insights.
This is unrelated to the actual case, but he starts off with this. Anyone notice that he doesn't actually attempt to show in any way what insights he actually gained? Same thing with the random vote on Templar. I actually wasted some time doing a text comparison on google from what he posted and the actual text. There was a small section missing, but nothing significant, so this was mostly time wasted on my part.
On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: He's given a lot of effort to this cutting the day short idea. I think he feels strongly about it.
Now take a look at what he finds suspicious about myself. He thinks that I feel strong about the lynch idea.
In the exact post that he is quoting, I state not only that I've decided to drop the idea, but I also state how it's not important enough to discuss any further. When Templar asks me about it again, I said I dropped it and that was it.
So how does batsnacks come to the conclusion that I feel strongly about the idea when in the paragraph below I'm calling it unimportant. Is he even reading the quotes that he is bolding or is he only skimming the first sentence?
Next, he comes up with the suggestion that I'm on a mission by providing the following evidence:
On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote: batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. Look at these posts, he has been going after easy majorities since the very beginning: He said this when I was the vote leader.
At this point, it's around 20 hours into the game and batsnack's only has his troll post to his name. He has two whole votes against him and I call for him to start posting.
On September 04 2014 02:10 batsnacks wrote: Now he's going after micchan because micchan is the new majority leader.
Again, Micchan has a total of two votes at this point.
How does he take these top suspicions and conclude that I'm a scum player who must vote with the majority. Even worse, he believes it with confidence.
In both examples he picked out, the vote was at 2 players out of 13. I could vote for essentially any player in the game and it would be close to a majority at that point because no one was voting. How does this apply to me and not every other player in the game? Why aren't the 5th or 6th vote on Micchan also mafia on a majority mission? Why is he pointing out that I'd like to see a few votes on batsnacks, but totally ignoring anything I find suspicious of 3d, kush, or bunnies.
The first thing to come to mind is that he comes to a conclusion and then attempting to find evidence that fits the conclusion. I've dealt with a fair amount of paranoid townies before, but batsnacks is so confident that he is right, mentioning as if it's a fact that I'm mafia, without attempting to interact with me or pushing people towards lynching me.
In fact, it had to be incredibly obvious that I wasn't getting lynched this cycle.
Imagine if you're in his shoes. You're dead set that I'm on a mafia mission to vote with the majority. You know you can't get me lynched. What do you do?
You convince town to force me to vote outside the majority. It wouldn't have changed the outcome, and as a mafia player, if I were to fail a mission, it would mean my death. That's just as good as a lynch. He didn't even bother asking. In the meantime, while he is running around with his head cut off, he never even gives an opinion on Micchan.
I really hope he is scum because the alternative would be pretty frustrating. The fact that he is so confident about such a bad case, leads me to think red
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Day 2 has begun!
The_Templar the Vanilla Townie has died.
I cannot write flavour for the life of me..
A reminder that you have 48 hours to make your first lynch. All votes should go in this thread in this format: ##Vote: sqrtofneg1
Countdown:
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That's a really odd first kill.
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On September 05 2014 04:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
The_Templar the Vanilla Townie has died.
Welp, guess I have to take a closer look at this filter. Good thing my work day has been fairly slow so far.
Vivax, you seemed to have an issue with Templar's posts. Any thoughts, now that he's no longer among the posting?
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On September 05 2014 04:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Day 2 has begun!
The_Templar the Vanilla Townie has died.
I cannot write flavour for the life of me..
A reminder that you have 48 hours to make your first lynch. All votes should go in this thread in this format: ##Vote: sqrtofneg1
Countdown:
FUCK gg
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