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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Time to read through the posts since I fell asleep in my chair last night, while reading this forum. I'll return soon enough with a response to GB's ridiculous idea that I'm defending seeya while he's distancing himself from me. Nice to see Meatpudding has joined the rest of us now, looking forward to hear more. | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
On July 30 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote: Explains why you're reading me scum, I guess. Could you explain why you're reading Banks as town. On 666 or Seeyalater I don't know what your read is, mafia or town? Also is your read on GB a joke? What do you think of my town reads Jen and Banks? Banks is doing what townies do. Posting reads and pushing for scum. I'm up to the part where GB makes a case. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 19:58 meatpudding wrote: What do you think of my town reads Jen and Banks? Banks is doing what townies do. Posting reads and pushing for scum. I'm up to the part where GB makes a case. Banks is posting reads, yes, but I don't think he has pushed scum too well, I posted about this recently. Not much to think of you townreading Jenny, everyone kind of is so there's not too much information there (especially since you don't substantiate much). | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 19:58 JennyHell wrote: Goodmorning darlings. Time to read through the posts since I fell asleep in my chair last night, while reading this forum. I'll return soon enough with a response to GB's ridiculous idea that I'm defending seeya while he's distancing himself from me. Nice to see Meatpudding has joined the rest of us now, looking forward to hear more. Finally! People are waking up! Please address the questions I asked from you about Banks as soon as you can! | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
On July 30 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote: Banks is posting reads, yes, but I don't think he has pushed scum too well, I posted about this recently. Not much to think of you townreading Jenny, everyone kind of is so there's not too much information there (especially since you don't substantiate much). Its still kind of early. Are you part of 'everyone' who town reads Jen? | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
@Jenny Good Morning! I'm still catching up too. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 20:02 meatpudding wrote: Its still kind of early. Are you part of 'everyone' who town reads Jen? Leaning town, yeah, not as strongly as everyone else, I think. She's just someone I'm not really paying too much attention to day 1, I'd rather focus on lynches. GB's case was okay, I just don't agree with the premise/conclusion that both are mafia. There have been some scummy interactions, as GB pointed out, that probably deserve some attention. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
 I'm off to play some Magic, bb in maybe 5-6 hours. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote: .:Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and Seeyalater This post from Seeyalater caugt my attention: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote: I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution. And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote: Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote: Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again. Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote: I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. Do you know which post made him get this read?: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote: Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it. What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone? Do you get how odd this is? Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny! + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote: My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia. So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town. Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me. But that's just my guess. I could be wrong. Why didn't she let him answer my question? More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this. This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two. Okay, let's respond to this case now. I really like that you're trying to figure the game out, drawing conclusions and attempting to find connections between people. However, I feel that my posts have been taken way out west, when in fact they were headed east. Strangest analogy ever, but I'm sure you get the jist of it. I obviously can't speak for seeya, and it's never been my intention to. The time you mentioned when I "defended him" and "didn't let him speak for himself" was just me being excited about the game and wanting to take part in every bit of it. To tell some things about myself and how I view the mafia world and draw conclusions and then compare it to what I guessed he did, because they seem to be two different ways to go at it and find mafia. Now hearing that you felt I was disrupting town's way of scumhunting, I do see how it could be taken the wrong way and if you actually felt like you could have got more out of him if I hadn't put forth my thoughts and my guess, then please accept this apology. I'm sorry for hurting town play. If you're mafia and trying to throw scum, then suck it. The reason he was mentioned by me earlier, when trying to explain myself (in what you went from saying is a "fair enough" answer to your question, to then saying I'm paranoid town and now calling me mafia), was because I know it's his first mafia game because I know him outside the game and therefore it was easy to take him as an example, since I don't know how much/little mafia the rest of you have played. The fact that you read waaaaaay too much in to that just makes me think you're overanalyzing something that wasn't at all that much of a big deal. The case did bring a bit of insight to how you can really pick apart posts and from my personal stand point, knowing I am town, go the completely wrong direction. It's really sad that you're reading me wrong. I guess I will have to work on that town vibe. As much as I'd love to call you scum for being completely wrong about me, I actually think you're trying to figure the game out, you're trying to make connections and I guess it's also slightly refreshing that you're willing to go against the stream and call me mafia. It shows that even though you're wrong, you're not afraid of being wrong and drawing attention to yourself by being different. As for your points about seeya, I will have to go back through his posts again and see if I pick up anything of what you mentioned, because initially it just seemed like my pal seeya, trying to take a poke at me and see where I'm at. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On July 30 2014 18:00 Teemursu wrote: Is this the only reason you think Banks is town? Now that he substantiated his reads, what do you think of them? Why is Banks town? How are you sure he just hasn't pocketed you yet?  Why is Banks town? Because he practically asked me to marry him, duh.. *fangirling* On a more serious note though, reading Poofter is insanely difficult, because he's so good at this game. He's like this game incarnate. I'm never sure on him and he's one of the few people that I'd say find it a sport to pocket me. So I'm not sure he's not just pocketed me. I just feel like, today, he's been contributing more than some others have. I didn't like his initial read on Tolkien, and how quickly he made the assumption even though Tolkien had yet to properly speak back then. There was also one part of his info he gave about lilwade that I didn't really care for. Like I don't care if anyone calls me mafia or disagrees with me because I know my alignment. I feel like thats how town play. I agree that you shouldn't care overly much about it, but to say that's how all of town plays doesn't seem right. There are numerous people that want to portray town and make everyone see they are town. Say, if someone read me as mafia (like GB is currently doing), it's making me feel like he's willing to see things from a different perspective, but it's also making me feel like I haven't fully done my duty as town, which is to portray town enough to the rest of the town. So, what I'm meaning to say is that I get that that's how HE plays, but not everyone is going to feel the same way, even though they are town. The disagreeing part is just something that will happen, no matter what. It's part of social interaction in general and in a game like this it's just even more apparant that people will read things differently. I obviously didn't agree with the way he viewed seeya, but like I stated in my previous post where I addressed the case against me and seeya being connected, I will have to go through his posts again before I can fully make a stance on that for day 1. Also, something I don't like when people do, is when they go "I'm top town". I think it brings nothing but egotism/troll to the table and everyone who is town is no doubt seeing themselves at the top town, because they know what role they are. Other than that, I liked his reads but I'd love to see another full update from him, seeing as it was ~14-15 hours ago. | ||
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
I'll also reevaluate others of course after I read input, but that was the biggest thing that stuck with me during the night. | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
My current bang marry kill are- Bang Jenny Marry(on the fence) Poofter kill-lurkers/afks Followed by a change of heart 5. JennyHell- Strong posts with a lot of substance to them. Any time someone asks a question to her she responds in well thought out posts, and also gives her insight a lot when others give their thoughts about the game. Top town. 7. Tehpoofter- Lots of posts, good input, "friendly" demeanor, gives off a huge townie vibe. Almost too huge. Townie for today, might reevaluate further as game goes on so I don't find myself comfortably in his pocket. Although I'm probably just being extremely paranoid. So Poofter fell off a little and I'm the new marry? Other than that, I guess I just can't see what you guys see. | ||
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
No but yeah, I seemed to have mixed up what the protocol for what bang, ,marry, kill is. Just went in order from bang(top town) to kill(top scum). I like that meatpudding is back and giving some reads, however I sincerely hope he posts more today, we need a lot more info from him and others, like lilwade, anc clockwork orange(666). My reply to this teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=19#361 If you go through his filter, a lot of his posts are 2-3 sentences max, so there isn't too much depth to them. Only maybe one or 2 after the game started are longer than that. It was good that you mean me go through his filter though, so I can reevaluate him. While his interaction with Poofter was weird, I am getting a townier read on him then earlier, so I'd be ok with leaving him alive for today. It also made me read you even more scummy than before. You bring up the fact that his filter is about as long as mine, which post count wise it may be true, but a lot, and by a lot I mean A LOT, of my posts are much more substantiated than his 2-3 sentence posts. It just seems like once again, you are trying to subvertly throw scum at me. Otherwise why bring up the number of posts, but leave out how packed said posts are. And the smiley is like the cherry on top. Like my great sensei Imaqtpie once said, never trust someone who posts a smiley face where it should not belong. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
With a gun. | ||
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
##VoVote Teemursu. Hope I did that right! Not a 100% set read in case something else comes up, but I'll admit that will be pretty hard. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote: Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short banks - town lover jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil 666 - definitely evil wade - using some pressure cya - too cautious tea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love) gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info Lolololol this list is terrible | ||
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
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