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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
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IAmRobik
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Vivax
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On July 02 2014 06:24 ExO_ wrote: you are scum. koshi was a vanilla town. VT reads can be wrong. as mafia you're trying to look good by pushing for people on a confirmed towns list. But there is stroner evidence than simple reads, and thats reads from votes. D1 reads shouldn't trump everything we've seen since then I am currently trying to figure out where your discussion focus lies in this game. You posted this list earlier: 1) ObviousOne 4) kushm4sta 5) Tehpoofter 9) Rainbows 11) Vivax 12) IAmRobik 13) HaruRH *(in the course of investigating this list, I realized an incentive: mderg could be switching as mafia to try to kill the claimed cop, though I think it's highly unlikely.) Over the course of the lynch decision taking place however you strongly focused on either pushing me and haru or defending mderg and what I find lacking in here is your interest into the other guys you didn't feel like clearing yet. Simply put, you lack a natural portion of doubt and what I also find lacking is analysis of these people. And that it's lacking is concerning especially now. If I take me and Robik as example, we didn't only get stuck on either haru or mderg but also considered lynching Cava (in Robik's case) or changing the read on Haru (in my case). I am willing to consider the possibility that you are town, but first you have to explain to me how you read people in the list you haven't adressed or analyzed yet. | ||
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Vivax
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ExO_
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On July 02 2014 06:32 Vivax wrote: I am currently trying to figure out where your discussion focus lies in this game. You posted this list earlier: Over the course of the lynch decision taking place however you strongly focused on either pushing me and haru or defending mderg and what I find lacking in here is your interest into the other guys you didn't feel like clearing yet. Simply put, you lack a natural portion of doubt and what I also find lacking is analysis of these people. And that it's lacking is concerning especially now. If I take me and Robik as example, we didn't only get stuck on either haru or mderg but also considered lynching Cava (in Robik's case) or changing the read on Haru (in my case). I am willing to consider the possibility that you are town, but first you have to explain to me how you read people in the list you haven't adressed or analyzed yet. you mistakenly assume I didn't analyze everybody. I read or at least scimmed through every sinle persons filter in that list. But I'm not going to post what can I find that suggests innocence, because I believe its ineffective. Mafia can look innocent all the time. Instead I look for evidence of scum, and by far the strongest evidence is on you and harurh. And by the looks if it, theres gonna be even more today when I get home and can analyze. | ||
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ExO_
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roundabound
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On July 02 2014 07:16 roundabound wrote: The trend is to lynch people wgo call me scum. Do you wanna be next? quoted for filter | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On July 02 2014 07:02 ExO_ wrote: Thoguht of a name for what I think robik is. He's "incompetown" lol Also, if ExO is mafia, this clears me because this implies that I'm town | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
Cava "the cop" showed up for tyhe last 45 minutes of the day and then left LOL. If he lives another day LOOOOOOOOL | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
These are the 6 people that voted for Sinani. If Cav is mafia (I really don't think so) then all of your mafia should be found in this list, because losing 1/3 mafia on day 1 would be horrible for mafia. Considering Cav is on the list, and mderg is gone, that leaves Robik/Poofter/Harurh. 2 out of those 3 would be mafia. This is ONLY in the case that cav is mafia. I don't believe he is. But if he is, then cav +2 out of Robik/poof/Harurh are mafia. Let's see what happens night 2, but tomorrow lynch vivax. If I die in the night, remember I was heavily pushing Vivax and Harurh, and they wanted that voice silenced. I really hope we can pull it together town | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kushm4sta
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On July 02 2014 09:54 kushm4sta wrote: hopefully they kill vivax so i can redeem myself this game by figuring out the scumteam I've opened the door for you, but only you can walk through it  | ||
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IAmRobik
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
Tomorrow. Do NOT lynch Vivax if he is still alive. He is probably town, but has some pressure on him from people I'm finding scummy. I don't know for 100% if he is town, but he's the closest thing I can get to someone I can trust. If he is mafia, he will probably survive until 1v2 lylo where, if not dead, town will need to take a good look at him and decide from there. If he is lynched tomorrow and flips town, I will never forgive anyone who is town and lynched him because my read was correct. IAmRobik I've been heralding him as "too crazy to be scum" for quite some time -- and that heuristic rings true with most of the work I've done in mafia so far. Mderg did bring up a good point, though that his shenanigans (the 'fake slip, the fake claim vigi) haven't net us any mafia and have lynched town so far. With Mderg flipping town, I think that is something good to look at. Robik posting Liar Liar Liar to Mderg seemed a bit excessive to me at the time, and I also thought Mderg was mafia, but not for that reason. He's crazy, but mafia can be crazy. Still, f Robik is mafia, he's played extremely well. And I would condone him for it post game--he and Mocsta fooled me hard in Order, but that was a hydra. He is sure playing much differently than last game. I wouldn't lynch him tomorrow based on the change in meta imo, and that I hope my too crazy to be scum theory works out in the end. Again, more flips equal more analysis. For the two above, the hardest thing to parse out between mafia play and town play is intention. It is impossible to know whether or not Vivax or Robik intentionally mislynch a townie. Once a scum flips however, hopefully the association and the "Did he really want to lynch scum X?" will guide us to them if they are mafia. For now, though, they are bad lynches. Tehpoofter I haven't looked at Banks the entire game. Vivax said something that I really agreed with, that Tehpoofter is the "closest thing we can get to a ghost" in this game. He has a bunch of pages in his filter which indicates activity -- but I can't remember most of what he's done this game. I know that he has voted on both mislynches. Voted Mderg early on when everyone was on Haru. Looking through his filter, I can't say his analysis on situations is terrible. But I can't say his posts are astounding either. Posting a lot but blending into the background, mislynching townies, a decent pick to be scum. He has also defended Cav, which I find bad because town has no friggen clue whether Cav is faking cop or not. Could be scum trying to keep his fake cop alive, or scum trying to buddy up the real cop. I don't think Cav's flip has any relation to whether Banks is mafia or not, but I do think that Banks is scummy for believing in the cop claim wholly on day 2. ExO Same goes for ExO. For some reason, he believes that Cav is the cop almost whole-heartedly. The reason I'm at the opposition of ExO / TP is partially because I'm seeing two camps. Me / Robik / Vivax + others who are really speculative on the issue of cav being cop, and ExO / TP who seem to accept it quickly. The issue of whether Cav is actually the cop or not is irrelevant, the issue arises when people are reacting differently to the claim. Most of us appear speculative of the issue, but these two seem to believe it for... what reason I can't tell. Mafia, regardless of Cav's actual alignment, have everything to gain by 'trusting' Cav. If he flips town, they were correct and look better. If he is mafia, then they are protecting their buddy. In addition, ExO has been exhibiting mafia characteristics all game, and the resistance to his lynch yesterday sucked eggs. His reads are really flipped from mine, and that difference in opinion alone probably means he is not the same alignment as myself. Kush Almost certainly the vigilante. No reason to not believe him at this point, and he's barely done the scumtell I've been talking about. Btw the scumtell I was looking for in Kush was really thinly-veiled reasons to townread other players. In Order he gave a sequence of posts that were like "x is town" "y is town" "z is fucking town" for no reason, and defended people (like Haru!) that I wanted to lynch. More credibility for calling people town, i guess, but not really done that this game. Cav Massclaim will probably sort this out TBH. If there are 4 total blue claims / flips then lynch Cav. 3 is possible in a 13 player game but meh idk. Unless someone claims cop, then really scrutinize that person because they should have claimed ages ago and might be mafia trying to mislynch the cop. I've been getting the scum feels from Cav almost the entire game. His reads on Vivax and Palmar were plain garbs at the beginning of the game. He has made promises and not followed up on them, seemingly done on purpose. He hasn't done anything since the start of the game to make me believe he isn't mafia, and if he is town, I'm willing to lose the game on a lynch on him. At least I could blame the loss on the grounds of a bad cop. HaruRH The lynch yesterday leaves me worried. I thought most of or all of the scumteam was on him. So I dnu, meta would suggest that he is town. Cav / poof both on him. Cav / poof / exo scumteam? Maybe OO. I haven't done any really hard analysis of Haru, which is terrible of me because he was a main wagon yesterday. My gut says town, scum don't like saying "I don't do reads on D1, fek off son" to a townie. That just creates pressure and puts the spotlight on. There are a few things I don't like about his filter, but for now, don't lynch tomorrow imo. ObviousOne I still don't know what was up with his Koshi read, he never answered me on that. Seems almost as ghost-like as banks. Activity went down the toilet D2, kinda parked his vote on Haru. Had one post I thought looked townie but other than that, I can't really tell. Not having a decent read on him into day 3 sucks. By PoE, if my gut towns are town, then the scumteam lies in 3 of: Cav ExO TP OO Two "ghosts", one genuinely scummy guy, and the scummy cop claim. Not bad if you ask me. We lynch into that tomorrow, imo. Especially if I wind up dead tonight, you listen to this list. You lynch one of those guys. This is where we begin towns comeback, and as mafia are flipped then we re-evaluate our town reads if they don't die at night. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On July 02 2014 10:36 Rainbows wrote: By PoE, if my gut towns are town, then the scumteam lies in 3 of: Cav ExO TP OO Two "ghosts", one genuinely scummy guy, and the scummy cop claim. Not bad if you ask me. We lynch into that tomorrow, imo. Especially if I wind up dead tonight, you listen to this list. You lynch one of those guys. This is where we begin towns comeback, and as mafia are flipped then we re-evaluate our town reads if they don't die at night. You are wrong, and I can nearly prove it sinani206 (6): IAmRobik, Tehpoofter, Cavalinho, HaruRH, mderg, ExO_ If cav is mafia then 3 mafia need to be in this list. Otherwise mafia is really dumb for almost letting cav die. I don't think mafia is willing to take such a big risk on day 1. It'd make no sense to do so. That means 3 mafia are in this list here. the only people that fit your criteria and this list are me, TP, OO. I am not mafia. That means no matter what, your read is wrong. I'm going to read the rest of your post in more detail now, but you are wrong with the scum reads, period. | ||
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ExO_
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