EPTOn May 01 2014 07:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm not scum Koshi, stop it.
I'm not scum Koshi, stop it.
Then solve the fucking game.
I AM NOW OFFICIALLY OUT.
Pretty sure I went 2-3 post over limit.
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Koshi
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Then solve the fucking game. I AM NOW OFFICIALLY OUT. Pretty sure I went 2-3 post over limit. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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You're not dead. I am. I save you because I think you are actually more inclined to be town than scum regardless of your terri-bad d2 post. So prove that this action isn't wasted. | ||
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Town matyr died when I die instead of Kosher. This is the best I can do for you town.. So you will know this flip at least | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:08 Koshi wrote: Then solve the fucking game. I AM NOW OFFICIALLY OUT. Pretty sure I went 2-3 post over limit. Nah sorry, I'm having a shitty game I think. Also lack time. | ||
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Palmar
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Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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? I'm running out of post myself now decide soon because I just changed to austin.. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Mod Announcement Koshi has died! This is a no-flip kill. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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 I think you were town at least Which makes me think Poof is not town for #1 not waiting for this shot until he really had to take it.. instead of like 4 hours early. But wait I'm so confused.. Because scum having 2 extra shots during the day seems so strong.. so many people with guns this game. | ||
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justanothertownie
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Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that. On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote: Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die. Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol. That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: Oh god. Another scum. There is no reason. LITERALLY NO REASON to have a townread on Foolishness right now if you had a scumread at the start of the day. What has he done since then that convinced you? I want you to show me that specific thing. You didn't even use the BH mason excuse. You are saying I am trying to win? If so does that mean you have a townread on me? Because if that is the case why THE HELL would you shoot Koshi right now? Shockingly enough you can read someone as town and disagree with your reads. I think Koshi is scummy he gives his reads ME Palmer Ceph are consistant. No more Oats again austin went off from his earlier post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 03:29 Koshi wrote: austinmcc Bro from ABBA cult. My contributions to this thread have been plenty. They are between the post in which I am fighting for my life? I didn't know that fighting for your life was scummy. Yes, I have to repeat a lot that I am town. That is because there is a guy who wants to shoot me. If I could point out all the scummy guys and let you believe those are the scummy guys I would do it. Anyhoezels. I am without posts. I will keep last one for vote changing. I will be offline in 4 hours though. If you want me to answer stuff. You will have to give me posts now. Koshi scumteam: ThePoofter Cephiro Palmar Foolishness austinmcc Those guys. YES I KNOW I LOVE TO OMGUS. But I am content with those names for the time being. Then after hes shot:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Also Cephiro. Don't forget him. Alakaslam. Alakaslam Poofter Palmar Cephiro Those 4. Don't forget them Why not bring these up in the like hours between those posts if it change you only try to solve the game when you're in danger of dying or dying. Scummy as shit. This is why I shot him JAT. And the reason I flipped on Foolishness is that I went into the day thinking it was 1 between Foolish and Koshi and Koshi got scummier as the day went on. I find it hard to believe two scummers started that first lynch. Foolish also looked very town after his very long post. It made me look again at RoL who I still think is scum with Oats. For me the teams is Koshi Oats RoL +3 between Ceph/Slam/Va/WoS/Ve/gum This is assuming 5 mafia +1 traitor. I am goign to make a post why Foolishness is town next but I'm at work so having to do shit between check-ins is a pain. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I only have like 2-3 posts after this now but you'll make better use of them in all likelihood. TO be fair I kinda figured either you or he was faking it because people love to do that shit. If poofter was truly town you'd think he'd realize it was a retarded shot to even begin with so no I didn't protest heavily. Also fucking Ace----like there is no way all of these apathetic/useless people are scum. This is why we lose. 100% It's so much worse in this game than any of the other large games I've played in. Scum can mislynch into anybody they want right now. | ||
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prplhz
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So please don't do another dumb shot. And can we please please please shoot lurkers and lynch scum? | ||
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Cephiro
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Gonna catch up in a moment, gonna post the case anyway. @JAT: I'll give you my short thoughts on Ace soon. @Foolishness: I don't think what you say is true. (That 3 major town players individually thought snb was a good target). I'll elaborate on this soon as well. | ||
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Cephiro
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On April 26 2014 19:49 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure things changed in the OP so people should read it. There is a traitor and I am not mafia. Very sad. I will be traitor hunting. For funzies. On the side. No mad pls. Alakaslam townread. I better not second guess that for sanity. Geript scumread. I dont know why he said I am town. I also dont want to lynch caller after reading his posts. Which seems to be the reason for his posts because he uses many words in his posts. Ver, I am town. I totes would never lie to you. No town heroes in this game yet. Odin I dont know about. But he might make sense. Also might not and is opportunistic. Palmar can you tell me what your alignment &role is? I do not believe caller shooting nuke makes him town. Not at all. I am another 10 hours limited to phoneposting. I haven't seen any of this traitor hunting he claimed that he'd do. A bit interested in why he even brought up someone like Odin that he's unsure about. I mean, if you're going to delve into why certain points make you think pro-town and others pro-mafia, then that's fine. But just bringing up a person for saying they could be anything? What is he trying to achieve with this? + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 20:23 Koshi wrote: Ok. Palmar is scum. Nice shot Caller. I & Palmar respect Palmar too much for this kind of childish outburst. Ruining the game for town because a scum shot him? He wont do that as town. Palmar is also not trying or promising to read the game. His only interest is taking Caller with him. As town he would only want that if Caller is scum. But then the ruining game for town thing doesnt make sense. Or Palmar lost many dota games and is angry at everybody. On April 27 2014 06:01 Koshi wrote: WoW Koshi totes town guys. geript, I thought you called me town but seems like you called me scum. Anyway I dont umderstamd why I am in your list thatsl's all. Also that case on Koshi isnt enjoying himself so he is scum is sooooooo boring. Every other game somebody brings that shit up. Sometimes scummers. So. You scummer? Scummy point for you anyway. The part about me not knowing who to lynch between Palmar and Caller because palmar will turn red and I want to look good is reaching tbh. Association case so early in the game??? Another scumpoint. Pls geript. If you are scum you made a big mistake. I dont back off from people who call me scum. You are now closely followed. To Caller. Why am I scum? To Palmar. If I could I would totes kill Caller now. The progression between these two posts is interesting. A complete 180-degree turn on the reads. I suppose it's easy to say stuff and change reads if you don't provide your thought process for them? Also a point to notice is how concerned Koshi is with the people that call him scum. The different reaction can be explained here because geript actually wrote up on his thing, whereas caller didn't. On April 27 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: GREAT ANALYSIS JAT. REALLY NICE. VERY THOUGHTFUL. Above message is sarcastic. The reason to why it is sarcastic is because you don't give any input at all about prplhz his alignment. You use meta I think. But the only thing I remember in Foolishness his meta is pure gold and awesomeness. But even if there is something. Are you saying because foolishness once said that a guy was scum while he was town it now counts for all future games? Praises Foolishness for his meta and sheeps it -> calls out JAT for his small post on prplhz and the usage of meta. Usually meta is used like this: Person X did A under circumstances Z and was alignment 1. If person X does A again under similar circumstances, he is likely to be of same alignment. Now, I personally think this is bullshit, but this is how most players use meta on here. Refer to the bolded. JAT pointed out that Foolishness was wrong in his meta with an example occasion. Koshi quickly goes on to debunking it, as mistakes can happen to anyone. Certainly, that is true. But why count so much on something unreliable that was already proven to have flaws? On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. + For explaining why he doesn't think prplhz is scummy. - For artificially creating extra points. The last three could be summed up in one point. Could be a simple mistake, but... would Koshi really repeat himself unnecessarily like this? - Sheeps foolishness in saying prplhz is scummy after providing reasoning for the complete opposite. W. T. F. Just WTF? E: Later on admits to doing this intentionally, but never gives a reason for it. Rather, tells us to pick one of our liking. What was his goal if he did this intentionally? If he had none, why not just admit so? If he had one, why never follow up with it? Unnecessary trolling = Anti-town. On April 27 2014 08:11 Koshi wrote: You should read more games of mine. Like... I promise you that everything you say is wrong. And you are wrong because you are biased or scum. #TrueStory Also I am saving up posts from now on. My great intellect is also needed tomorrow. Did not really see much of this... while it doesn't make him scum, why constantly contradict oneself? Also the amount of calling geript scum/bad just for the heck of doing it is overwhelming. Do you get somewhere by just spamming "scum"? On April 27 2014 09:04 Koshi wrote: Yes I know. But I came from your game PYP in which MZ did it and I just tunneled him hard core back and I thought you wouldn't do it to me as scum in Survivor. But you did. I was surprised. I shouldn't try to meta this thing. Scummers want my penis a lot on D1 because I am a strange guy on D1. "I shouldn't try to meta this thing" -> "I should blindy trust on other players (whose alignment I don't know) meta." This makes no sense. Funsie bonus: Scummers didn't seem to want Koshi's penis a lot on D1 -> Koshi is probably scum? + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 09:20 Koshi wrote: Koshi his list of how do we read people and people we have already read. 1. Ace (Lynch if he doesn't lynch scum and is smart. If your mouth didn't fall open by the end of D2 because his smartness made you want to insert penis in .... Wait too much penis talk already... we should shenanigans lynch him) 2. Foolishness ( Mouth already full) 3. Sandroba (I like how he was all bossy and short with answers Totes town) 4. Caller ( Somewhere I believe Palmar will be scum, I am optimistic like that, sadly I will never see Palmar flip so my optimism will just be replaced by curiosity and we should lynch this guy D4 or so, dnu if we have like trackers or something and that kp is factional so yeah dnu yet. I am like feeling he is town. Dnu really. Dnu) 5. Palmar (butthurt. Maybe also scum) 6. VE ( scum because reasons given already) 7. prplhz (scum because Foolishness said so) 9. yamato (town because smart and the post in which he says he has no townreads) 10. vayneauthority (town, I just know it) 11. rebirthoflegend (Going to be replaced again) 12. Cephiro (I think he already made a big post and it wasn't at the end of D1 about the start of D1 so he is town atm) 13. alakaslam (town cuz 2 happy) 14. waveofshadow (town cuz good posts) 15. strongandbig (2 smart , also is "all like guis let's talk about stuff" and then doesn't talk about stuff = scum) 16. odinofpergo ( On to something, might be smart town) 17. oatsmaster (dnu, he is probably in crisis now he can't make oneline post taunting people) 18. Blazinghand (town. I am sure. He is actually playing decent. BH as scum plays riddles) 19. tehpoofter ( dnu) 20. Justanothertownie (mehhhhh, always these silly questions JAT, then that outburst towards me, let's call him scum, also because after I called him out for being a hypocrite he quoted something marv always says) 21. Geript ( scum) 22. Gumshoe (???) 23. austinmcc (???) Game probably solved. Like this post is just full of... what. Why even bother trying to write up something on everyone if you clearly don't care to. So much unnecessary filler and "dnu". + Some of these are hilariously fabricated (which, I think Palmar pointed out earlier.) Lots of one-two liners before going to sleep, but it was as he'd just have to use up his remaining posts or to assure everyone that "he had been around near lynch." Well, does anyone see a pro-town motive for "Oats is Oats, I'm sticking on snb", attitude-repetition? On April 29 2014 05:58 Koshi wrote: Why are you asking me these questions in the night? Totes want to see if you need to shoot me? I thought VA was town. Dnu why I asked that question to Sandroba. I think it had something to do with posts I read. Geript not really on prior list atm. why is foolishness town? That's the question! No really. Other people are allowed to do things today/tomorrow. I was also totes up till 3 am yesterday so time for sleep now. I am toying with the idea to reread the thread and post new and fresh thoughts. 11 hours from now. Maybe. I will keep you updated. If mafia wanted to find out if you're worth shooting, why would they be interested in WHY you think something about a player, rather than just WHAT? I'd say it's counterproductive for scum to ask a town why their read is as is, (other than trying to look like other townies curious for the thoughts), as responding to that question gives other townies a thought process and an opinion to bounce off their own conclusions from. So how on earth does asking you anything at night relate to considering you as a shot target, if you assumed JAT was mafia? So you thought VA was town but you never say further why or why not. Scumread geript is not on priority list, why? And last, replying to the question with another question. In Mafia, we don't go by "everyone is mafia until proven otherwise". I'm not saying everyone is town until proven otherwise either, but if you think someone is scum and can't provide a single reason for it.. that says a lot. Why ignore the questions posed at you? On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote: geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter: 1) Oats is town 2) Alakaslam is town 3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass. 4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot. 5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot. 6) RoL useless should be shot. 7) 8) SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well. So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi. So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi. So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro. This is probably the worst post by Koshi in his whole game. While this has been pointed out several times, I'm going to give a short reminder. 1) He claims that a dead town player was wrong regarding two players (which of one we know to be true). 2) Because he was shot -> All his reads must be correct 3) All the reads by dead town player except the ones proven false and that threaten him are correct. Given his style of writing, he intends to push this discussion seriously. Given the above facts, how can you take a person who tries to push the above thing seriously, seriously? On April 29 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: So you are saying they killed geript for WIFOM? That shit rarely happens, and it really rarely happens to somebody who doesn't get nk early normally. Why is he trying to make out so much about something he could never be sure of? It's as if he HAS to find the true reason for the NK to have something to push for. Or maybe just... make your own reads on players based on their behavior? Or is it too hard to fabricate a read, whereas trying to reason your thoughts by mindgaming the nightkills gives you a reason which you otherwise would never have? Who's to say geript didn't sacrifice himself? On April 29 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote: This somewhat indicates that Cephiro knows there is a traitor while he didn't read the OP. So yeah, this might have been a slip. Foolishness/Cephiro pls shoot both. They are confirmed mafia or without doubt will never get nk. Maybe Foolishness will get NK if he is town and starts playing. SOoooooo if the first vigi could please SHOOT CEPHIRO. Thank you. Palmar is off the scumlist atm. This one is lolworthy. Because of palmar's claim of "literal traitor claim", he's off the scumlist and I'm such confirmt mafia I should be vigged right away? Like how is this even remotely pro-town play? On April 29 2014 21:40 Koshi wrote: Koshi totes town. . Shoot Foolishness. FOLLOW SANDROBA AND GERIPT CONFIRMED TOWNED. I pushed SnB so hard as I could but somewhere I was also a bit meh about it. But there were no other options except Oats and I just didn't feel Oats as I felt SnB. If this wasn't majority lynch I would have parked my vote on Palmar and went to bed but Palmar wasn't happening. Obviously the lynch on SnB was "wrong" but my case wasn't the worst... I thought I was onto something. Yes, I pushed SnB the way I pushed him... You say it is mafialike but it really just is Koshilike. I do that a lot. Hmm. As scum I also don't really push lynches very hard. I don't play scum a lot but if you read SMB mini mafia you can see I am way more in the background concerning lynching. GoT was a really long time ago but same there. I was a strong voice in the SnB wagon and that is not my scum meta. True story. I just saw that normal ass mini mafia finished and I got shot N2 because I was right on reads (I think, I haven't read scum QT tbh and fuck that shitty game and shitty town), I wasn't right on all my reads but I was right on 1 scumread and 1 easy mislynch. Why was geript shot? It is geript. geript never gets shot N1. Looks like scum has 2 NK max 3 NK. geript was one of the guys scum wanted gone. Like. He must have been right on something right? You could say he might have been right on his Koshi read. But I tell you he wasn't. I am totes town. Give me time. Every game I proof to be more town if the game continues. No bullet for me. So what else could geript be right on? scumreads + townreads probably. Both Oats and Alakaslam are mislynches at least one is going to be town. Otherwise why shoot geript? Because WIFOM? Most likely not. Oats is lurking hardcore and Alakaslam just slipped on the Yamato kill. I KNOW. I READ IT. But still I respect the NK of geript. If you have to pick. Don't kill Koshi. Kill Foolishness. Again, telling everyone to follow the dead people that are confirmed townies. But oh wait, geript thought Koshi was scum. BUT DON'T FOLLOW THAT, BAKA. Yeah... Check the bolded. This is based on geript thinking they are both town. However, at the moment of posting, Koshi thinks Slam is scum and is fine with shooting Oats. First the "trolling" with foolishness. Now seriously trying to get things done with the excuse of reads of dead townies. And then changing his mind again. This is the peak of flip-flopping if anything. On April 29 2014 21:43 Koshi wrote: amagad I just got confirmation geript might have been shot protecting somebody. So the whole read thing might be wrong. Grrr. Ok I retract my townreads on Oats and on Alakaslam. FOOLISHNESS AND CEPHIRO STILL MAFIA Also probably JAT. Care to... give us this confirmation? How would you know if you aren't in a mason circle with a townie that can kill at night, have night kp yourself, or are scum? On April 29 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote: My post on geript his reads being right is probably indeed complete shit. If geript saved somebody his reads don't mean that much at all. Alakaslam looks pretty bad, Oats looks just strange. He looks like giant lynchbait and he doesn't look like that normally. Look at his scumgame in PYP, look at his scumgame in Catastrophe, he isn't this meh D1 as scum. Because we can't be sure that geript was shot by mafia, I can't make these conclusions anymore. Then the question is. Is poofter making a case on me because he knows my posts are total shit? Because he has the answers and while he reads my posts he just goes "amagad this Koshi dude is so fucking wrong, let's push this retard." We will see. Now... do you think these changes of mind which just keep on coming are from a genuine townie? It's like whenever he's called out for flawed play, he admits it was bad such as to get away with it. So Koshi, do you really agree you've played so badly at multiple stages at the game for how hard you've pushed some agendas? Or maybe you're trying to look a bad townie instead of caught scum? Why would we not make a case on you if your posts are total shit? On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote: IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets.! ALERT: WHAT? Not shooting the scum we're most sure on is a bad idea? Should we shoot people we are unsure and leave them unflipped then?? This is just... really people, look at this. Why would you ever want to keep the unsure players unflipped? This suggest such an pro-mafia agenda. On April 30 2014 20:34 Koshi wrote: Sure, posts like sheeping Foolishness for no reason at all on prplhz is getting my scumreads, but I told you people why. I also have sheeped marv in all my previous towngames, till I find a better target. I found a better target in SnB, made a (good) case and lead that wagon. There is nothing scummy about that tbh. And it is TOTALLY AGAINST my scummeta. As said by multiple people. Er nope, you didn't. And wow. Do I really just not know how to read the thread, or why haven't I seen all these people defending Koshi's actions via meta? This seems like another thing just made up. His reaction on the threat being shot by tehpoofter is just over the top. He doesn't keep a cool at all, and tries to react over-the-top emotionally. Like really, am I the only one who thinks that mindless raging with bad reasoning won't ensure others that you're town? Or is really thinking "super emotional reaction -> must be town" that common in here? Koshi's most interesting development of read: Oats: Either -> Townish -> Scum -> Town -> Worth shooting Talk about... changing one's mind. TLDR: Koshi is scum for: 1) Fabricating Stuff 2) Doing wrong stuff and pushing for it intentionally and acting apologetic after being called out for it 3) Dem flip-flops. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: rip Koshi I think you were town at least Which makes me think Poof is not town for #1 not waiting for this shot until he really had to take it.. instead of like 4 hours early. But wait I'm so confused.. Because scum having 2 extra shots during the day seems so strong.. so many people with guns this game. I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:07 Palmar wrote: What has Koshi done with his activity in the last almost 72 hours? why on earth would you shoot an active player like that you moron. Like...2 ideas that he's actually pushed, or a read that he made out of the blue, or a new perspective on anything. On May 01 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote: BECAUSE THE GAME GOING LONG IS BAD FOR SCUM. MORE DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T KILLED DOCS/COPS MEANS TOWN GETS EXTRA USES FROM POWER ROLES.Ok, so does anyone have a reason why I should not shoot the crap out of Poofter right now? Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that. That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry MORE DAYS MEANS MORE MISLYNCHES THEY NEED TO GET. MORE DAYS MEANS LESS HIDING PLACES, MORE CHANCES FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT/OTHER PEOPLE TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN. MORE DAYS IS GOOD. MORE PEOPLE ALIVE IS GOOD. SHOOTING PEOPLE MEANS LESS PEOPLE ALIVE. There's also the fact that coroner gets a check a night, and so maxing out at a single unflipped person per day is somewhat better for us than multiple folks unflipped. I went back to look at some past oats games, but didn't get super far because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm looking for or how to show it, and I haven't played/read every oats game. Basically, this one seems similar to Nuclear Winter to me. I thought Oats's reads were wrong, called him on it, he kind of halfway shrugged it off with answers I didn't like, and I ended up being CERTAIN he was scum. Then just...doing nothing with it. And there was no traction elsewhere to push him. + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 23:46 austinmcc wrote: Oats, I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me. Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation. And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum. Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT. I havent read VA that much if at all On July 11 2013 00:53 austinmcc wrote: Oats...what are you doing. You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this:But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing. If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands. D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No. So therefore you are scum. I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. On July 11 2013 01:06 austinmcc wrote: So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches? D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? On July 11 2013 01:08 austinmcc wrote: I think that if I'm your top scumread, you're mafia or really just being lazy. None of what you're saying really makes sense. And whether or not my plans/advice is "useless" doesn't indicate whether you think it's actually good or bad advice, advice that, if followed, would favor town or mafia. If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that? Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team. Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Here's the main chunk of Oats/me talking in Nuclear. I was town; he was mafia. Oats was pretty active on D1, but his votes/reads didn't look right to me, and I called him out on it.I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops. Speculation is bad. What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad? His response, almost like this, is to just sort of try to ... shrug off the pressure. Besides calling me mafia, which hasn't really happened the same way here, he NEVER really responds to the meat of my arguments --> he doesn't really want to chat about DI or his reads or how they progress, just how I'm mafia, or speculation is bad, or just shrug off that he didn't really have the reads I think he has. THIS WAS MY CONCLUSION AT ONE POINT THERE You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke AND TA DA! Oats has chosen not to read and participate in this game. In a SIMILAR vein to that game, Oats's reads don't line up for me. Palmar is super mega anti-town, but then utterly GONE once snb comes up. Nothing on Palmar today. No voting for Palmar, troll-voting for Palmar, anything. Just say he's anti-town early, do NOTHING with it, swap reads in ways I don't think make sense, etc. I may be overdrawing parallels, but the time games are very very similar in my mind, and this is why I'm pushing him so hard. I forgot about Oats in that game, despite KNOWING he was mafia off that bit. We all let him skate. Nobody hopped on board. And mafia mostly-cruised to a win. Boo. I remembered him being MORE posty and responsive, and still scumhunting, during Thug Life once he started getting serious accusations of being mafia. But that game was long, and there aren't a lot of quotes in his filter to show where people started getting super scummy on him, just I remember that happening and defending him there. Whatever. I don't think he's town. NOBODY seems to think he's actively town. That's not good imo. If you're mafia, FREE MISLYNCH. Just say you're sheeping me, jump on oats, mislynch, yayayaya. It's hard as hell to push a lynch on a guy who is actively just NOT POSTING AT ALL, not caring about this game one bit. Anyone who thinks that's just "oats being oats" is wrong, imo, from what I remember and what I saw in Thug Life, townoats gets accused of being scummy, yes, but he still does STUFF while responding to accusations, even jokingly. Here, NO STUFF. STUFF? NO! That's a one-game sample and that is bad of me, but here's the magical Oatsmaster Challenge. Can anyone who says this is "oats being oats" point to a game where he dropped a game this hard after being accused? Just...never ever posting, and when he posts it's really only to say his accusers are bad? If you cannot find a game like that, then what you actually think is "I believe this is oats being oats, but I'm not actually sure, because I haven't looked back to make sure I remember oats properly." And if you look back and can't find anything, then you're wrong about oats being oats, and you need to be thinking about oats being lynched. | ||
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