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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
This is important. You should listen very closely and so should EVERYONE else. On May 01 2014 07:42 Cephiro wrote: Ok read up on the shot and the things that happened after. Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? Why the FUCK would the SCUM KOSHI ORDER THE CLAIMED TOWN MARTYR to GTFO off HIM 10 SECONDS after I CLAIMED. Scum DO NOT EVER reply to "Hey Koshi, I believe you are town so much that I am literally willing to die in your place for the chance to prove it." with "FUCK THIS GET YOUR MARTYR OFF ME" There is seriously no fucking way he's scum and replies like that. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Donate: 4 posts to Justanothertownie I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch. The fact that your shot was awful makes me think that. You argued that trying to solve the game after he was shot is scummy. How is that even remotely true? Why would he do that as scum? Why would he tell Odin to not save him? No, he was town. You simply don't shoot active players who will be readable later on. At least get on the wagon of justice now -_- On May 01 2014 07:36 austinmcc wrote: gg possibly town kosherino? What has Koshi done with his activity in the last almost 72 hours? Like...2 ideas that he's actually pushed, or a read that he made out of the blue, or a new perspective on anything. BECAUSE THE GAME GOING LONG IS BAD FOR SCUM. MORE DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T KILLED DOCS/COPS MEANS TOWN GETS EXTRA USES FROM POWER ROLES. MORE DAYS MEANS MORE MISLYNCHES THEY NEED TO GET. MORE DAYS MEANS LESS HIDING PLACES, MORE CHANCES FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT/OTHER PEOPLE TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN. MORE DAYS IS GOOD. MORE PEOPLE ALIVE IS GOOD. SHOOTING PEOPLE MEANS LESS PEOPLE ALIVE. There's also the fact that coroner gets a check a night, and so maxing out at a single unflipped person per day is somewhat better for us than multiple folks unflipped. I went back to look at some past oats games, but didn't get super far because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm looking for or how to show it, and I haven't played/read every oats game. Basically, this one seems similar to Nuclear Winter to me. I thought Oats's reads were wrong, called him on it, he kind of halfway shrugged it off with answers I didn't like, and I ended up being CERTAIN he was scum. Then just...doing nothing with it. And there was no traction elsewhere to push him. + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 23:46 austinmcc wrote: Oats, I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me. Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation. And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum. Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT. I havent read VA that much if at all On July 11 2013 00:53 austinmcc wrote: Oats...what are you doing. You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this:But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing. If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands. D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No. So therefore you are scum. I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. On July 11 2013 01:06 austinmcc wrote: So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches? D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? On July 11 2013 01:08 austinmcc wrote: I think that if I'm your top scumread, you're mafia or really just being lazy. None of what you're saying really makes sense. And whether or not my plans/advice is "useless" doesn't indicate whether you think it's actually good or bad advice, advice that, if followed, would favor town or mafia. If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that? Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team. Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Here's the main chunk of Oats/me talking in Nuclear. I was town; he was mafia. Oats was pretty active on D1, but his votes/reads didn't look right to me, and I called him out on it.I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops. Speculation is bad. What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad? His response, almost like this, is to just sort of try to ... shrug off the pressure. Besides calling me mafia, which hasn't really happened the same way here, he NEVER really responds to the meat of my arguments --> he doesn't really want to chat about DI or his reads or how they progress, just how I'm mafia, or speculation is bad, or just shrug off that he didn't really have the reads I think he has. THIS WAS MY CONCLUSION AT ONE POINT THERE You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke AND TA DA! Oats has chosen not to read and participate in this game. In a SIMILAR vein to that game, Oats's reads don't line up for me. Palmar is super mega anti-town, but then utterly GONE once snb comes up. Nothing on Palmar today. No voting for Palmar, troll-voting for Palmar, anything. Just say he's anti-town early, do NOTHING with it, swap reads in ways I don't think make sense, etc. I may be overdrawing parallels, but the time games are very very similar in my mind, and this is why I'm pushing him so hard. I forgot about Oats in that game, despite KNOWING he was mafia off that bit. We all let him skate. Nobody hopped on board. And mafia mostly-cruised to a win. Boo. I remembered him being MORE posty and responsive, and still scumhunting, during Thug Life once he started getting serious accusations of being mafia. But that game was long, and there aren't a lot of quotes in his filter to show where people started getting super scummy on him, just I remember that happening and defending him there. Whatever. I don't think he's town. NOBODY seems to think he's actively town. That's not good imo. If you're mafia, FREE MISLYNCH. Just say you're sheeping me, jump on oats, mislynch, yayayaya. It's hard as hell to push a lynch on a guy who is actively just NOT POSTING AT ALL, not caring about this game one bit. Anyone who thinks that's just "oats being oats" is wrong, imo, from what I remember and what I saw in Thug Life, townoats gets accused of being scummy, yes, but he still does STUFF while responding to accusations, even jokingly. Here, NO STUFF. STUFF? NO! That's a one-game sample and that is bad of me, but here's the magical Oatsmaster Challenge. Can anyone who says this is "oats being oats" point to a game where he dropped a game this hard after being accused? Just...never ever posting, and when he posts it's really only to say his accusers are bad? If you cannot find a game like that, then what you actually think is "I believe this is oats being oats, but I'm not actually sure, because I haven't looked back to make sure I remember oats properly." And if you look back and can't find anything, then you're wrong about oats being oats, and you need to be thinking about oats being lynched. Ok ok ok. I won't shoot him for now. Prplhz already convinced me and Poofter actually gave me posts... we will see. I already tried to read some oats games earlier today (catastrophe, foundation, PYP, another one I forgot) and found out that I can't distinguish between his town and scumplay for the life of me. If you are unsure just get on the foolishness wagon and we lynch that scummer. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:45 OdinOfPergo wrote: Cephiro - This is important. You should listen very closely and so should EVERYONE else. Why the FUCK would the SCUM KOSHI ORDER THE CLAIMED TOWN MARTYR to GTFO off HIM 10 SECONDS after I CLAIMED. Scum DO NOT EVER reply to "Hey Koshi, I believe you are town so much that I am literally willing to die in your place for the chance to prove it." with "FUCK THIS GET YOUR MARTYR OFF ME" There is seriously no fucking way he's scum and replies like that. 1) We have no way of being sure you are town. 2) You could be scum martyr pretending to go on town koshi for cred. 3) You could both be scum playing it for extra cred for you, since as Koshi said, he had doubts on him anyway thus from a scum perspective (if you two are both scum), leaving you alive with this little play is better than leaving Koshi alive with you dying unflipped (which would be -1 for scum anyway.) I do agree that reaction is more likely to come from town, but I'm not a player to not consider the most chaotic strategies. That one reaction is not going to change my overall stance on Koshi. I think he was scum. I'm happy he's dead. I'm not happy with the way he died, as it leaves uncertainty. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Me being wrong or right doesn't change my alignment from what it is. Question to you: Is there a reason you are pointing out your scenario as the only possibility? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On May 01 2014 07:42 Cephiro wrote: Ok read up on the shot and the things that happened after. Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? I liked your big post on Koshi. I think he did really scummy things. The reason for shooting him over Oats even thoguh I think both are scum is that Koshi's flip tells us he pushed a town lynch day 1 (something we already know) if we flip Oats and hes Mafia we have SO MUCH INFO from the vote movements yesterday.... like who pushed on Oats who moved off Oats who voted SNB for no reason things like that. We get info on him and vote analysis info on everyone in town!!! So I think KNOWING Oats alignment over Knowing Koshi's better for town in the end. Odin's thing with the Matyr was good and is the first time this whole day I have honestly thought Koshi might not be mafia. He still could have made that post as scum but it is a very odd one to make. ;/ But lets talk less about the shot more about the lynch we have to make in a couple hours here. If you want to tell me I'm bad for my shot then tell me but also tell me who we should lynch thats better. @Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard. Where is Ace/VE/Caller? Palmer quit complaining about how you're playing bad and step up and make a case one at least one person I think you're frustrated/dejected town but like if you're not useful you're going to make us lose. TO ALL TOWN WE NEED TO LYNCH Can we get a new vote count? Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
poofter waited until half of town wanted koshi dead then made case to shoot him town didnt say no he shoots no repercussions, hurray for mafia getting a free kill dont believe me? look at his most recent post, it screams mafia | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On May 01 2014 08:07 Tehpoofter wrote: @Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard. Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr. I actually like this post in general but I still think you are wrong. Right now I think Foolishness/BH is scum/scum and I don't see how that would be impossible in any way. Probably they are masons maybe they are not that does not prove their alignment. Yes, they will have to keep recruiting people - why would that be a problem? Another possibility is that BH is town and got totally outplayed by scum Foolishness which is - considering we are talking about BH - of course totally reasonable to think but not as likely as scum/scum in my opinion. Ignore the mason thingy and look at their play - it is really fucking obvious. I any case Foolishness is scum and should be lynched right meow. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Vote Count: Foolishness (4) - Palmar (2) - Ace, VisceraEyes VayneAuthority (0) - Gumshoe (1) - Blazinghand Blazinghand (0) - Visceraeyes (0) - Oatsmaster (5) - Gumshoe, austinmcc, VayneAuthority, OdinofPergo, tehpoofter RebirthOfLegend (2) - Foolishness, Odinofpergo (1) - Alakaslam Day ends in . There are 19 players alive, and it takes 10 to lynch. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
##unvote: Gumshoe ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: I think oats is mafia.Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon. Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. I want to lynch oats. I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation. It's not an issue of whether Foolishness is town. I'm not convinced of that. I'm MORE convinced Oats is mafia than Foolishness is mafia, by a little margin. I think Foolishness, as mafia, has to scumhunt or pretend to scumhunt, has to survive nights, will be here tomorrow, whatever. Oats doesn't have to do jack squat as mafia, and if Oats is around at LYLO or whatever it's not as out of place as Foolishness at LYLO (i.e. I think Foolishness gets more scummy if he's around super late, with Oats that's not always the case). Blah blah. I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats). Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon. Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. He has similar reads to mine, therefore he is town. when u shooting me btw? so why is foolish more scummy then oats anyway? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
1) posting reads and cases 2) responding to situations and not ignoring them 3) actually reading the thread and interacting with things that happen in the thread. 4) not being afk Of which all his reads are not doing. Like, I want you guys to contemplate what you're doing here. There's tons of like lurkers who aren't reading, writing cases, making reads, responding to situations, interacting with the thread. They're all being afk or "being afk" and here's foolishness actually playing the game and everyone's like "yeah clearly this guy, the guy actually playing the game, is scum" how serious are you here ._. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Surely nobody who is playing the game could ever be scum. Fuck this game. I'm out for the night, hope Oats flips scum. ##unvote ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 01 2014 09:37 Blazinghand wrote: Because you can't graph mafia/not mafia right in line with active/not active? BH, you trippin'Foolishness is basically town for 1) posting reads and cases 2) responding to situations and not ignoring them 3) actually reading the thread and interacting with things that happen in the thread. 4) not being afk Of which all his reads are not doing. Like, I want you guys to contemplate what you're doing here. There's tons of like lurkers who aren't reading, writing cases, making reads, responding to situations, interacting with the thread. They're all being afk or "being afk" and here's foolishness actually playing the game and everyone's like "yeah clearly this guy, the guy actually playing the game, is scum" how serious are you here ._. Actve =/= town. Inactive =/= mafia. They can be indicators. So can other stuff. If I make 18 posts on D1 about how I'm a self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, and post a bunch of other active crap, I still 100% lied and about something scum might want to lie about. I'm mafia, even if I were active. Foolishness has posted reads and cases. I didn't like his SnB case. I don't LOVE the WoS case, but not in the same way as I disliked the SnB stuff. Unsure on RoL. But if someone comes in and posts a SCUMMY case, or a bad case that has some bad motives behind it, then yeah...that dude's likely to be scummier than someone inactive. His treatment of Oats doesn't look great in my mind, and I still think he's got some awkward bits in there where he thinks Oats is mafia, but doesn't think mafia was at all worried yesterday. I'm biased here, because I was the one pushing oats, but i THOUGHT I had a chance to get a lynch through. Especially when consolidated started occurring and Oats LOOKED to be the person we'd consolidate onto. Foolishness may or may not agree. Everyone else may or may not agree. But personally, I think there was a chance, and so I'm creeped out by scum not being worried and oats being mafia being a harmonious set of thoughts for Foolishness. Heck, if NOTHING else, he was kinda concerned about Oats's voting yesterday, has been scummy on oats today, but the THINGS that oats did are voting without reasoning (hi a bunch of people) and general absence D1 while being a possible lynch. The latter is NO BUENO, but a bunch of people who have played with Oats and can't all be mafia have told me that's oats being oats. SOME townies are thinking that Oats could be town, despite his actions. Foolishness, maker of cases, looker of old game, etc., doesn't seem worried at all by this, there's no legwork to check. Legwork isn't required, I'm lazy, I can't fault other people for being lazy sometimes or even just for putting in a regular amount of effort. tl;dr ---> A lot of the effort isn't stuff I'm overly townie on, and effort =/= townieness 100%. I didn't like the SnB case. The oats stuff weirds me out. | ||
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