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Not surprising this proves Kespa & Korea still the top in the world.
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TOSS IMBA. Both toss killers of terran are out.
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Oh good another PvP finals
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Wow, I've rarely seen a tournament with so few upsets. Too bad there wasn't any Liquibet, I'd have got 100%
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On March 16 2014 13:24 holmesgenius wrote:
TOSS IMBA. Both toss killers of terran are out.
Maru wasn't playing though. Polt and Maru are the Protoss killers.
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On March 16 2014 08:54 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:51 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 08:30 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:24 Drake wrote:On March 16 2014 08:16 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Surprised no one has mentioned Life vs Taeja which was the series of the tourney imo says you ^^ i watched it and didnt liked it that much ... to much WAY to much mistakes by life ... he not played his A game (its not good if you explode your own banelings and movecommand your mutas in death) afterall the 2 by far best playing players of this tournament are in the finals totaly deserved it ! by far! the best ones On March 16 2014 08:23 DJHelium wrote:On March 16 2014 08:21 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 08:18 DJHelium wrote:Missed the entire day, sad to see jj lost 0-3  Will watch the vods tomorrow as well as the finals, hope it's a great one! Watch the vods if you want to rage. I'm not the kind of guy who rages! More the kind of guy who sighs, goes to bed and silently cry myself to sleep.. so will probably do that? let me say this in the words of idra "building carriers is a good skill toi have" On March 16 2014 08:16 boxerfred wrote:
pvp finals actually suck. all mirror finals do, except maybe tvt so your terran ? ^^ because for me all mirrors sucks expect pvp  and guys terran isnt weak or anything ^^ 2 terrans in semi was good tournament, they just was not as good skillwise as the protosses this time Lol fine whatever you say with your enormous personal bias. Feel free to look at the recommended game polls because those are completely unbiased, let's be real here...  Very true I suppose. But I think the Life vs Taeja series was far and away the most entertaining and evenly matched series of the day.
I know everyone shits on Protoss but that Polt vs herO series was actually really good also. And jjakji vs sOs just because Carriers 
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On March 16 2014 08:30 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:24 Drake wrote:On March 16 2014 08:16 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Surprised no one has mentioned Life vs Taeja which was the series of the tourney imo says you ^^ i watched it and didnt liked it that much ... to much WAY to much mistakes by life ... he not played his A game (its not good if you explode your own banelings and movecommand your mutas in death) afterall the 2 by far best playing players of this tournament are in the finals totaly deserved it ! by far! the best ones On March 16 2014 08:23 DJHelium wrote:On March 16 2014 08:21 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 08:18 DJHelium wrote:Missed the entire day, sad to see jj lost 0-3 Will watch the vods tomorrow as well as the finals, hope it's a great one! Watch the vods if you want to rage. I'm not the kind of guy who rages! More the kind of guy who sighs, goes to bed and silently cry myself to sleep.. so will probably do that? let me say this in the words of idra "building carriers is a good skill toi have" On March 16 2014 08:16 boxerfred wrote:
pvp finals actually suck. all mirror finals do, except maybe tvt so your terran ? ^^ because for me all mirrors sucks expect pvp and guys terran isnt weak or anything ^^ 2 terrans in semi was good tournament, they just was not as good skillwise as the protosses this time Lol fine whatever you say with your enormous personal bias. Feel free to look at the recommended game polls
Because recommended games polls are the harbingers of truth now? And here you are arguing with other people's opinions again.. what a surprise.
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On March 16 2014 14:18 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:54 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:51 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 08:30 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:24 Drake wrote:On March 16 2014 08:16 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Surprised no one has mentioned Life vs Taeja which was the series of the tourney imo says you ^^ i watched it and didnt liked it that much ... to much WAY to much mistakes by life ... he not played his A game (its not good if you explode your own banelings and movecommand your mutas in death) afterall the 2 by far best playing players of this tournament are in the finals totaly deserved it ! by far! the best ones On March 16 2014 08:23 DJHelium wrote:On March 16 2014 08:21 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 08:18 DJHelium wrote:Missed the entire day, sad to see jj lost 0-3 Will watch the vods tomorrow as well as the finals, hope it's a great one! Watch the vods if you want to rage. I'm not the kind of guy who rages! More the kind of guy who sighs, goes to bed and silently cry myself to sleep.. so will probably do that? let me say this in the words of idra "building carriers is a good skill toi have" On March 16 2014 08:16 boxerfred wrote:
pvp finals actually suck. all mirror finals do, except maybe tvt so your terran ? ^^ because for me all mirrors sucks expect pvp and guys terran isnt weak or anything ^^ 2 terrans in semi was good tournament, they just was not as good skillwise as the protosses this time Lol fine whatever you say with your enormous personal bias. Feel free to look at the recommended game polls because those are completely unbiased, let's be real here... Very true I suppose. But I think the Life vs Taeja series was far and away the most entertaining and evenly matched series of the day. I know everyone shits on Protoss but that Polt vs herO series was actually really good also. And jjakji vs sOs just because Carriers
But still 2/3 games in sOs vs Jjakji were all-ins. It´s a shame we don´t have more TvZ to balance out PvX matches.
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On March 16 2014 14:29 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:30 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:24 Drake wrote:On March 16 2014 08:16 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Surprised no one has mentioned Life vs Taeja which was the series of the tourney imo says you ^^ i watched it and didnt liked it that much ... to much WAY to much mistakes by life ... he not played his A game (its not good if you explode your own banelings and movecommand your mutas in death) afterall the 2 by far best playing players of this tournament are in the finals totaly deserved it ! by far! the best ones On March 16 2014 08:23 DJHelium wrote:On March 16 2014 08:21 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 08:18 DJHelium wrote:Missed the entire day, sad to see jj lost 0-3 Will watch the vods tomorrow as well as the finals, hope it's a great one! Watch the vods if you want to rage. I'm not the kind of guy who rages! More the kind of guy who sighs, goes to bed and silently cry myself to sleep.. so will probably do that? let me say this in the words of idra "building carriers is a good skill toi have" On March 16 2014 08:16 boxerfred wrote:
pvp finals actually suck. all mirror finals do, except maybe tvt so your terran ? ^^ because for me all mirrors sucks expect pvp and guys terran isnt weak or anything ^^ 2 terrans in semi was good tournament, they just was not as good skillwise as the protosses this time Lol fine whatever you say with your enormous personal bias. Feel free to look at the recommended game polls Because recommended games polls are the harbingers of truth now? And here you are arguing with other people's opinions again.. what a surprise.
well to be fair they're probably among the better of measures of a community's overall opinion
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I have never seen a tournament that made two major players want to retire before, except maybe The International lol
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I was really looking forward to two great TvPs last night... and all of the games was basically was blink builds.
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On March 16 2014 14:29 ArTiFaKs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 08:30 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:24 Drake wrote:On March 16 2014 08:16 Darkhorse wrote:On March 16 2014 08:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How were the games today? Any good series? Seems a lot of blink usage? Surprised no one has mentioned Life vs Taeja which was the series of the tourney imo says you ^^ i watched it and didnt liked it that much ... to much WAY to much mistakes by life ... he not played his A game (its not good if you explode your own banelings and movecommand your mutas in death) afterall the 2 by far best playing players of this tournament are in the finals totaly deserved it ! by far! the best ones On March 16 2014 08:23 DJHelium wrote:On March 16 2014 08:21 imrusty269 wrote:On March 16 2014 08:18 DJHelium wrote:Missed the entire day, sad to see jj lost 0-3 Will watch the vods tomorrow as well as the finals, hope it's a great one! Watch the vods if you want to rage. I'm not the kind of guy who rages! More the kind of guy who sighs, goes to bed and silently cry myself to sleep.. so will probably do that? let me say this in the words of idra "building carriers is a good skill toi have" On March 16 2014 08:16 boxerfred wrote:
pvp finals actually suck. all mirror finals do, except maybe tvt so your terran ? ^^ because for me all mirrors sucks expect pvp and guys terran isnt weak or anything ^^ 2 terrans in semi was good tournament, they just was not as good skillwise as the protosses this time Lol fine whatever you say with your enormous personal bias. Feel free to look at the recommended game polls Because recommended games polls are the harbingers of truth now? And here you are arguing with other people's opinions again.. what a surprise.
Simply disputing his claim that Life vs Taeja was bad. I think herO vs Polt was quite good as well.
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Hi I am a protoss player from WoL. I watched the sOs taeja games to see what the fuss is over blink. I think the reason it works now is because there is high ground vision available from that spaceship thing that requires no tech. In the old days protoss would have to build an observer/prism, sentry/hallucination or run one stalker halfway up the ramp and blink further in for vision. The nexus inbuilt cannon also stops many early pushes the terran can do. I wouldn't even dream of FE against a terrain with only one stalker out on the map. Seems like protoss finally got some love from blizzard. After four years, the era of the toss has come.
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I've been playing Zerg since 1999 and HATE Protoss since then. But I'd be blind to not recognize that both sOs and herO are fucking skilled. Not even mad to have a PvP finals :D
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Something is definitely wrong when one of the best terrans, Taeja can waste a scan to scout the build coming for him, do everything to prepare and then lose straight up. Without it even being close, it was just an outright slaughter. It felt like the wins terrans really got was either total throws (lol polt vs hero) or protoss doing another build instead of blink.
The threat of blink is also the reason a strat like carrier can actually work against pro terran players, because terran has to prepare to maybe get outright killed by blink and cant go 3 cc(greed) or tech hard to ghost or vikings anymore.
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well, if you are playing at this high level you have to be skilled, but from watching the games i got the feeling taeja was the superior player in a "standard" game. it is ok for me when a player cheeses and beats you when you don't scout or tricks you into wrong composition. but it is feels utterly wrong when you scout an all in in time, react to it accordingly, and still loose. i think, if widow mines would be similar to baneling bombs, where they either autoactivate or you can activate them manually would help, especially against blink all plays.
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I don't understand Terrans - he scouted 8 gate + twilight (last game of Taeja vs sOs) and instead of building a LOT of bunkers he macroed up . Same with Polt vs herO (last game as well)
Terrans prefer to lose instead of building additional rax and bunkers. Same shit - same lose. Yeah, Protoss has to be OP having such stubborn adversaries
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On March 16 2014 18:44 dude_2 wrote:
well, if you are playing at this high level you have to be skilled, but from watching the games i got the feeling taeja was the superior player in a "standard" game. it is ok for me when a player cheeses and beats you when you don't scout or tricks you into wrong composition. but it is feels utterly wrong when you scout an all in in time, react to it accordingly, and still loose. i think, if widow mines would be similar to baneling bombs, where they either autoactivate or you can activate them manually would help, especially against blink all plays.
what makes you think taeja is the superior player in a "standard" game?
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On March 16 2014 19:12 pieroog wrote:I don't understand Terrans - he scouted 8 gate + twilight (last game of Taeja vs sOs) and instead of building a LOT of bunkers he macroed up . Same with Polt vs herO (last game as well) Terrans prefer to lose instead of building additional rax and bunkers. Same shit - same lose. Yeah, Protoss has to be OP having such stubborn adversaries
Dude you are totally missing the point, to defend blink stalker all in you need stim. Both Polt and Taeja had stim at most if not all times that a blink all in was coming, but you know what to be able to make use of stim you need medivacs and to get medivacs you need to "tech up". It has a lot to do with the map, you cant cover the whole area with bunkers thats why you need stim and thats why you need medivacs.
If Polt or Taeja wouldn't have gotten medivacs they would have lost anyway because no stim, they can't stupport more raxes than they already have without sacrificing medivacs which I already explained is not an option. Raxes would be waste of money, bunkers doesn't help unless you have workers at them, Blink stalker attack kills bunkers in two volleys so they just attack where the rest of the terrans army isn't and gets free kills on bunkers. Are you like some others have done, arguing about having 4 scvs at every bunker? lol you want 4-5 bunkers and 4 scv waiting at every bunker "if they will attack". The protoss could be all in and just get more units because of better economy and kill you or just tech behind it and get lightyears ahead of the terran. You have a very shallow understanding of the game mate.
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