EPT[ASUS ROG] @NorthCon Day 2 2013 - Page 83
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Swiipii
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30545 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:18 Diogenes wrote: Banshees have high dps too but they have less acceleration so the micro involved to scoot and shoot is more intensive. Also Banshees are slower so you might only lose 1 or 2 extra scv's if you miss them, not 4 to 5 extra like with oracles. Oracles cost more investment with 300 gas with structures instead of 200 like banshee but it's power level is so much higher. And cloaked banshees cost about the same and are not quite so gamechanging. Banshees have 19.2 dps, oracles vs light are 29 dps. It's quite a large difference | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43598 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:12 vthree wrote: 1 medivac and 8 marines is cheaper than 4 cannons, so should Protoss be forced to make 4 cannons at each base? Your argument makes no sense. If Protoss made 4 cannons at each base, we wouldn't need nexus cannons, would we? That's a ridiculous analogy for two reasons. 1. Where you choose to invest your resources in the early game is far more important than the later game (because you have less economy). If the Protoss is investing all his money into a proxy oracle, then you need to act accordingly and not half-ass a defense. If you're looking at an *eventual* medivac drop, you already have a mothership core, stalkers, and ideally a cannon or two. The medivac drop comes much later than a proxy oracle, so you don't have to spend as large a percentage of your money on new defense because you already have some. 2. The proxy oracle was being used to attack a mineral line. It does essentially no damage against buildings. On the other hand, a medivac full of marines is dangerous to not only mineral lines, but buildings as well. This makes mobile defense more important against marines than against oracles. Two turrets by the mineral line is enough to make an oracle useless. Four cannons by a mineral line (which is far more of an investment anyway) is probably not going to defend your whole base. And even still, with all the whining, Innovation still won ^^ | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:20 Zealously wrote: Oh hey the language guy apparently knows my mother we all know each others mother on the internet  | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Argh, I heard it was a 2 parter, so I'm waiting for the next one. | ||
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Dinotramp
Nauru2871 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:20 Zealously wrote: Oh hey the language guy apparently knows my mother Better be careful, could be someone you know. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:20 The_Templar wrote: 1:00 San getting a gateway followed by an assimilator. Innovation going CC first on the low ground. 2:00 Cybernetics core for San. 3:00 2 barracks for Innovation. Mothership core and expansion for San. 4:00 Another assimilator for San. Third barracks starting. Probe scouting Innovation's natural expansion. Twilight council for San. 5:00 Warp gate research starts for San. Blink for San. Innovation getting stim pack. 6:00  San 45 vs  INnoVation 50Innovation building a factory and an engineering bay. Two more gateways and two more assimilators for San. San loses a stalker for free. 7:00 San 49 vs INnoVation 55Proxy pylon for San. Bunkers in Innovation's main and natural expansion. Robotics facility for San, who only has 3 gateways. Innovation pre-emptively pulling SCVs. San building two forges. 8:00 San 74 vs INnoVation 77Robotics bay and immortal for San. Charge starting. San getting two more gateways and +1/1 with armor. 9:00 San 84 vs INnoVation 91San nearly loses a bunch of stalkers because innovation moved out. Innovation pushing the natural but is pushed back due to photon overcharge. 10:00 San 78 vs INnoVation 92Innovation retreats a bit and takes a third base. Templar archives for San. Innovation planting a marine at San's third base. 11:00 San 103 vs INnoVation 110San sends a zealot to Innovation's third. Engineering bay and armory for Innovation. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:24 stuchiu wrote: Argh, I heard it was a 2 parter, so I'm waiting for the next one. Yeah, that's smart. I would've done that had I known. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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Topin
Peru10037 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:23 forsooth wrote: I hate the protoss so much. fixed it | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43598 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:16 vthree wrote: Imagine if that game was a scouted proxy 2 rax, how do you think it would have turned out? I don't care which match up, mirrors even. If you do a proxy build which can win games, but it get scouted early on, the opponent should be able to win with 5 minutes as long as they not make a huge mistake. Otherwise, the risk reward is just not there. Innovation did win >.> And his mistake was not making enough defense around his mineral line, so he let the proxy oracle in to do damage. And that still only delayed Innovation's win by a few minutes. I just don't see why people are complaining about the fact that Innovation didn't insta-win when he didn't react perfectly to the proxy he scouted. He still won pretty quickly. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On December 08 2013 03:24 Dinotramp wrote: Holy shit this stream is laggy, any ideas on what to do? If it's not your internet or PC keep refreshing until you get lag-free stream. Seriously, it works but sometimes it requires 10+ refreshes. I had lag with that "connection bandwidth" pop-up msg when stream reseted and after few refreshes I got lag-free stream. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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