Newbie Mini Mafia L - Page 48

On November 02 2013 10:42 StorrZerg wrote:
@JonnyLaw and @cakemanofdoom looks like you are going to have a lot of pressure put your way, Not looking for you guys to defend yourselves exactly, but i am looking for some good content.

atm jonny, i was leaning more towards you just pushing bad ideas, but still wanting to do good for town. (although your post that july was obviously town seemed a bit bad to me and i called you out on that) as far as your alignment before the night kill happened, i don't think i would have pressured a vote on you.

and cake, i defend you earlier, however I'll need to reread your filter.

@ Vonthin you have 9 and 10 listed with no names.

also again "lists"
@vonthin you list E00e as scummy and @Balla24 you list him as town. could you guys go into more detail why.

On November 02 2013 23:23 StorrZerg wrote:






You have no idea how much i want to lynch for this crap. You did not respond to a single thing, and you didn't even post anything on why. I'm spending far to much time looking at you and dealing with your nonsense. I honestly can't tell if your bad town or scum from this crap. I have to decide if your worth the lynch when i would rather you be contributing to town. and looking at others. I'm trying so hard to make this not a "well nyx called me mafia so nyx has to be mafia now"

On November 03 2013 04:19 StorrZerg wrote:
@balla what makes you think that it was a mafia role blocker? It could be possible it was a town play. If you are telling the truth, about being role blocked that is, i am more inclined to believe as well that it was a mafia role blocker.

On November 03 2013 05:16 StorrZerg wrote:


I see no reason to lynch balla to see if he was actually role blocked...
could he be mafia saying this? sure
could he be town saying this? sure

Him flipping would tell us quite a bit regarding if a mafia has a role blocker. I see no point lynching him today, to see if he lied about being role blocked. This information will be available to us when balla flips regardless. He is being far to active in this game while we have far to many inactive players to even consider lynching him today.

On November 02 2013 11:08 JonnyLaw wrote:
@storr Read my posts for the entire game. I've said I'm willing to vote for whatever the majority is if needed. I didn't want to f5 the thread nonstop for the last two minutes to ensure that it was indeed a majority lynch. Someone, even town, could switch off at the end with good intentions. Lynching someone is better than no one in most cases. Even if no one is using ANY of the info we gained from that lynch.

@obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched.

On November 02 2013 11:27 JonnyLaw wrote:
@vonthin My case on Odin was simple. He came into the thread, was disruptive and tossed out scum accusations at players without knowledge of the entire game. By doing so he creates chaos among the town. After he did that he lied about reading the thread. Chaos + Lying = scum or terrible town.

@storr Yeah, you're right. It's been a long week and my tolerance for people is very low at the moment. I'm not helping anyone by being so abrasive. Honestly I think Obzy's mad I said I told you so! I'm acting like an entitled twelve year old. I'll crack down and get something accomplished.

On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote:
@Vonthin What the fuck are you talking about? I said july was a bad lynch when he had 3 votes and odin had ONE. I said that the entirety of the lynching process. I said he was maybe the third best option we had at one point and changed my mind from even that before he was lynched.

@obzy You didn't like my comment that Odin was our best lynch even if he was town because he doesn't contribute. There's a 25% chance we lynch scum day 1. On july I felt it was closer to 10% chance and on Odin closer to 50%. July's play made no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't know what you're missing here.

@Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this.


Honestly, I'm getting tired of everyone here. No one makes an analytic read of the voting process at all. Do you guys even try to win? I gave some people in this thread of the benefit of the doubt. But, apparently I'm dumb enough to snipe someone who's calling me out. Oh well, I'm gonna read the filters and compare times. I'll post more later.

By the way, Obzy you're awful at this game.

On November 02 2013 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'm having a piss poor attitude because I take time, evaluate the game, read filters and get zero responses because the town is lazy. If we lose because of my frustration at the lack of effort from other players I will not feel guilty in the slightest.

On November 02 2013 12:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Why would he propose to start a lynch train on Odin when no one else had if they're scum partners? That's all I'm saying man. It's a much easier read than what we gained from lynching July which is almost nothing at this point. I'm trying to dig through and see who pushed to lynch July at convenient times.

Also, I think everyone in this game has called me scum at some point. I've been active and aggressive.

On November 03 2013 04:12 JonnyLaw wrote:
Storr why do you want to lynch nyx? I mean he's not contributing anything so it's not a terrible plan but it feels like another crap shoot.

He calls me town after I waste everyone's time and clog up the thread for multiple pages arguing with obzy and balla. I don't like this at all.

He says he's bad at the game and goes on a feeling voting for you. That seems very sloppy if it's mafia play. Some people do not express themselves eloquently. I mean, there's just not much to go on with this read.

He's not the worst candidate for lynching. I'm going to reread a bit and see if someone stands out as a better choice.

On November 02 2013 11:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
Last comment until I read further in the voting.

You realize you're just taking the bait by trying to vote me scum. If you're scum, who better to kill than a guy who's making aggressive posts about other town players. I mean I have no problem being accused of scum you'd be silly not to consider all options. But, you're being misled by a simple play from the mafia players.

On November 03 2013 05:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
I dunno Balla, you're playing the same game you did in the last two games.

Posting actively, pointing attention at players that are not yourself. Actually, your behavior is nearly identical.

Last game you said bereft played the same town as he did in his first game. He was scum, so were you. When I brought up Odin, you said he played the same game he did last game where he was town and you were scum.

Identical arguments.

You said we get information when july flips scum. What's that information?

On November 03 2013 05:05 JonnyLaw wrote:
There isn't necessarily a mafia role blocker, correct?

On November 02 2013 10:42 Vonthin wrote:
Only thing preventing me from voting for him is if he was mafia why kill the person who was putting the most heat on him? Wouldn't that make him even more suspicious then he already was before Van died?

On November 02 2013 12:05 Vonthin wrote:
My current thoughts on people


1.Jonny - Honestly not sure anymore, I don't see why he would kill Van if he was mafia as it would put him in the spotlight. I don't like his early cases on Odin, after the drunk posts I think he posting exactly the same as last game where he was town.

2. OWB- His filter is just as small as mine but I feel like he hasn't contributed much in those posts and is just trying to blend in. He started out posting just about meta stuff and how lurkers need to post stuff. He kept this up till someone called him out on it. The post right after said he would start posting reads and stuff and he did but they were reads that were either common opinions like how Nyx is prob town since he posting exactly the same as last game and then the popular Cake is scum read at the time. His third read in that post was about July, wasn't saying he was scum but was saying he is playing different than last game and we should watch his posts. Talks about lurkers need to post, which is always a valid thing but they know they need to post more(well I know I need to post more and hope others know that to, also find it funny since he is also a lurker who has posted just as much as me). He posts some reads again about how Storr hasn't done much and then he says his main scum read is on E00e, I thought he was somewhat suspicious at the time but he doesn't really give a reason why he is voting for him other than that he looks suspicious and doesn't think he is town. After that he says he has to go and won't be back before the deadline. He leaves his vote on E00e but doesn't say why he is voting for him and in the earlier post where he thinks e00e is scum he doesn't give any good reason other than he looks suspicious. That just seems really scummy to me leaving a vote on someone and not giving clear explanations why.

He comes back and responds after being called out by Balla about leaving the vote on E00e. He says he didn't want to not vote and felt e00e was a safe vote, never says any reason why it was a safe vote again, when someone asks him about that he says he gave his reasons on e00e in that earlier post. In that earlier post all he says he feels like its a good vote because he under suspicion and that he hasn't done anything to make me feel like he is town. I just can't accept this as a answer for leaving a vote on someone.


His last post was calling me out, I deserved to be called out at that point since I didn't post that much and a lot of my reads were sheeps. I just find that its funny he called me out on that when he has hardly put any reads out there too and the reason he voted for E00e was just cause he was under suspicion at the time and doesn't seem town. That looks like a sheep read to me.

3. Balla - As for Storr's request as for why I think he is town all game I thought he brought up good questions and pressure on people. I have agreed on almost all of his reads all game too. None of his posts have just seem scummy to me.


Will post my e00e and some other thoughts later, gotta do some ranked 5s with my team and practice for a lan in a couple of days

On November 02 2013 12:15 cakemanofdoom wrote:
I never saw anyone who actually liked July's posting at that point. I personally didn't, and it felt like several people had called him out/mentioned suspicion of him at some point or another. I remembered van had mentioned preferring to vote for July over E00e. A few people had opposed a nyx lynch, and I personally didn't like the idea of a lynch on E00e since his posts weren't that bad. Sure, Balla wanted you dead Jonny, but I didn't see support coming for that since I thought some people had town reads on you.

I'm not sure we should be looking too deeply into Van's death. He's strong enough of a town player that mafia might just want him dead even if it incriminates them imo. Also, exact opposite interpretations can be made of his death: either van's suspects are mafia and wanted to kill their accuser, or those suspects are innocent since they would never incriminate themselves by killing a vocal accuser like that. But of course, if the mafia knew the latter, they might feel safe killing their accusers and expecting town to think that they'd never do that...


So vonthin, do you think owb is mafia?