EPTAlso, I think everyone in this game has called me scum at some point. I've been active and aggressive.
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Also, I think everyone in this game has called me scum at some point. I've been active and aggressive. | ||
Obzy
United States525 Posts
On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote:@Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this. If his analysis is terrible, and he wasn't bluesniped, then why was he killed over me or Balla? Your response to me would be "because you're being a dumbshit and attacking me, a mislynch, derp derp", but why in the world would they kill him over Balla if they didn't think he was blue? Actually that's fucking stupid. They roleblocked Balla and killed Van, even if he was getting bluesniped, they could've just done it the opposite way around, so his analysis clearly had merit. Your statements are outright false. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
1.Jonny - Honestly not sure anymore, I don't see why he would kill Van if he was mafia as it would put him in the spotlight. I don't like his early cases on Odin, after the drunk posts I think he posting exactly the same as last game where he was town. 2. OWB- His filter is just as small as mine but I feel like he hasn't contributed much in those posts and is just trying to blend in. He started out posting just about meta stuff and how lurkers need to post stuff. He kept this up till someone called him out on it. The post right after said he would start posting reads and stuff and he did but they were reads that were either common opinions like how Nyx is prob town since he posting exactly the same as last game and then the popular Cake is scum read at the time. His third read in that post was about July, wasn't saying he was scum but was saying he is playing different than last game and we should watch his posts. Talks about lurkers need to post, which is always a valid thing but they know they need to post more(well I know I need to post more and hope others know that to, also find it funny since he is also a lurker who has posted just as much as me). He posts some reads again about how Storr hasn't done much and then he says his main scum read is on E00e, I thought he was somewhat suspicious at the time but he doesn't really give a reason why he is voting for him other than that he looks suspicious and doesn't think he is town. After that he says he has to go and won't be back before the deadline. He leaves his vote on E00e but doesn't say why he is voting for him and in the earlier post where he thinks e00e is scum he doesn't give any good reason other than he looks suspicious. That just seems really scummy to me leaving a vote on someone and not giving clear explanations why. He comes back and responds after being called out by Balla about leaving the vote on E00e. He says he didn't want to not vote and felt e00e was a safe vote, never says any reason why it was a safe vote again, when someone asks him about that he says he gave his reasons on e00e in that earlier post. In that earlier post all he says he feels like its a good vote because he under suspicion and that he hasn't done anything to make me feel like he is town. I just can't accept this as a answer for leaving a vote on someone. His last post was calling me out, I deserved to be called out at that point since I didn't post that much and a lot of my reads were sheeps. I just find that its funny he called me out on that when he has hardly put any reads out there too and the reason he voted for E00e was just cause he was under suspicion at the time and doesn't seem town. That looks like a sheep read to me. 3. Balla - As for Storr's request as for why I think he is town all game I thought he brought up good questions and pressure on people. I have agreed on almost all of his reads all game too. None of his posts have just seem scummy to me. Will post my e00e and some other thoughts later, gotta do some ranked 5s with my team and practice for a lan in a couple of days | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I'm not sure we should be looking too deeply into Van's death. He's strong enough of a town player that mafia might just want him dead even if it incriminates them imo. Also, exact opposite interpretations can be made of his death: either van's suspects are mafia and wanted to kill their accuser, or those suspects are innocent since they would never incriminate themselves by killing a vocal accuser like that. But of course, if the mafia knew the latter, they might feel safe killing their accusers and expecting town to think that they'd never do that... So vonthin, do you think owb is mafia? | ||
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
For example, anyone else have opinions on the Jonny/me connection he brings up? That's confusing me and one of the reasons I don't know what to think of Jonny. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
##Vote onlywonderboy | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On November 02 2013 10:50 Balla24 wrote: Although, I was roleblocked (they thought I could be blue)... which makes me think it was NOT a blue snipe more then just trying to kill a strong townie similar to last game, because why Vanesco over me (no offense to vanesco and not to sound full of myself) unless they legitimately thought I was blue. We had similar reads, similar cases, but i've been keeping the town much more active and I was far more confirmed town then vanesco, a lot of people were calling me town, etc... Just quoting so I don't have to repeat myself: Why would mafia kill vanesco over me, and roleblock me? - They clearly thought I was blue (which is weird, because I feel I have given the complete opposite of a blue vibe this game if I'm looking at it from a mafia standpoint)... there's no way they would kill vanesco roleblock me if they had a higher blue read on vanesco, therefore I think he's not a blue snipe, and were trying to kill a useful townie Why kill vanesco over me? We had mostly the same reads... Cakeman was the only outlier.. I don't think vanesco was on to 2 mafia, not only is that unlikely but I am still leaning town on Jonny... I also don't think cakeman is assertive enough to be leading the team.. Let's look at the differences in our playstyles: - Vanesco had aggressive reads that he stuck with, not re-evaluating as much as I am. - Vanesco is less active then me, not questioning as much and overall he isn't influencing the pace of the thread. - Some people were still lightly suspicious of him, whereas a lot of the thread has called me town. For the second reason: I feel like the mafia leader is someone who is VERY comfortable being in an active town. It's not affecting the mafia team as much as I'd like... this leads me to believe StorrZerg is among the mafia team. IMO, he has the most experience, he often plays in person/on video which is super active and you have to think fast as mafia. I was expecting a LOT more from StorrZerg as a town player... but he's been very VERY underwhelming and is instead choosing to lurk heavily... he's not mentioning a LOT of players and is constantly questioning Jonny and I.. I also think that he will be less experienced with the roleblocker role, although this might be completely false, but the show he plays on and the crowd he plays with generally never use the roleblocker role. Notice how he puts light pressure on me at the beginning of day2, right after I've been roleblocked as if he's trying to hint that i'm not town when generally being roleblocked (with no claims) is a surefire way of confirming a townie. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
What do you think about my vote on OWB Also my team only wanted to play 1 ranked 5s game so I'm here now and starting to write my thoughts on the people I didn't list in my earlier post. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Balla, can you clarify your reasoning as to why you think there's a mafia who's experienced in an active town? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On November 02 2013 13:01 cakemanofdoom wrote: I'm wondering why you voted after I asked you... you didn't decide to vote with your case, and not much should have changed after I asked. Balla, can you clarify your reasoning as to why you think there's a mafia who's experienced in an active town? Sure.. if killing active townies was a priority to them (killing people who were keeping the thread at a high pace) they would have killed me... simple as that. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 02 2013 13:03 Balla24 wrote: @Vonthin: Sorry but your case isn't that great~~ All you do is summarize what he did.. We can already see that, where's the analysis? Why is he doing what he's doing? How does it fit with his earlier play.. I think he is trying to blend in, hasn't had any good reads and hasn't done much besides talk about meta and calling out lurkers when he is a lurker himself | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On November 02 2013 13:08 Vonthin wrote: I think he is trying to blend in, hasn't had any good reads and hasn't done much besides talk about meta and calling out lurkers when he is a lurker himself No offense, but you haven't had an abundance of good reads either. Let's get that E00 reasoning please. Storr asked you for it a while ago.. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I agree that Storr doesn't look very good atm. I don't know quite what to think about the comfort with activity argument because I've never read anything like it before, but Storr really hasn't been posting opinions on a lot of people. Even now, he's had far more posts talking about how town should be acting than about who he thinks is scum. Since his reads on me and July he's only talked about Nyx. I feel like if he actually wanted something town-favored done, he could have been finding scum rather than just directing town around. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
I didn't like a lot of his posts at the start, a lot of them just seemed to be lacking and didn't say much like I think July and Jonnys posts are inconsistent but doesn't say why. After Vanesco and myself thought he might be scum he started explaining himself and responded to accusations a lot better. Like he made a post where he says Odin looks scummy to him and gave the reasoning that he looks a little nervous in his posts and he has some posts that are useless and distracting. His more recent posts has good reasoning behind how he didn't think Jonny was mafia. Some of the things that I don't like about his posts was the post he made about how he was suspicious of Vanesco and how he hasn't written about me and thought we might be scum off of a feeling he has, doesn't give any reasoning at all other than a feeling.I didn't like when me and Vanesco and poofter had votes for him he like gave up. He made posts where he says things like "if only my opinion mattered" and then saying that he feels like he is going to get lynched when he had 3 votes on him and then when he voted for Odin he was like I don't feel like my vote is important. If you are town I don't think you should just give up like that and should just keep posting who you think is scum and what not cause It will help show who is scum if you do get lynched and flip town. I think Storr might be scum, his filter feels somewhat like OWB to me. He has barely done any reads at all. All he is doing is trying to lead town and blending in. He was the very first person to vote for July, he voted for him as a pressure vote to get him to post since he didn't post yet but never took it off after July started posting which I don't see why cause July didn't seem that scummy at that point. Besides that all he really does is try to lead town but never does any reads or scum hunting himself. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
JonnyLaw (1): Obzy onlywonderboy (1): Vonthin Not voting (9): Tehpoofter, Balla24, onlywonderboy, nyxnyxnyx, E00e, StorrZerg, JonnyLaw, OdinOfPergo, cakemanofdoom Currently no one is set to be lynched. With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. This game uses Majority Lynch. Voting is mandatory. Please format your vote properly as such: ##Vote: Marv Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00). If there are any errors please let us know. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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