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On October 31 2013 14:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 14:51 Mocsta wrote:On October 31 2013 14:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Oh Mocsta. I seriously hope syllogism gets here pretty soon. I thought you were actually decent as town Mocsta... What's wrong with you? U wanna be like that. Nothings gonna change. There's some really weird comments hr makes early on about Grack too I don't care because if a mafia guy says something about someone else (or doesn't say) it doesn't tell anything about their alignment. *sigh* It's pretty basic stuff.
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And do not give this bullshit about "i would have bussed the shit out of BH". Ofc you wouldn't because you can't buss in a situation where 3/6 of scumteam gets whacked on N1..
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On November 01 2013 17:16 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote: What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were:
Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato
I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective.
I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:17 Zaragon wrote: Guess we'll let the Houses trickle out to fuel discussion. There is the off-chance that scum has no one in two whole Houses, too. After my last game, I'm going to be more careful about dismissing something very unlikely prematurely.
I realized something is going to be very confusing: bits of rayn's scum play looks similar to Koshi's town, and their hydra is not particularly stating who is talking (unless I missed them setting up times or something in the pregame). For an early read, them using that ambiguity I'll put down as leaning slightly scum.
skanjab1s is just odd so far, somewhat scummy and/or new; any meta on him? Hmm The first and last quote are also "testing the waters" posts to see if a mislynch can be attempted on me.
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On November 01 2013 17:16 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote: What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were:
Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato
I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective.
I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:17 Zaragon wrote: Guess we'll let the Houses trickle out to fuel discussion. There is the off-chance that scum has no one in two whole Houses, too. After my last game, I'm going to be more careful about dismissing something very unlikely prematurely.
I realized something is going to be very confusing: bits of rayn's scum play looks similar to Koshi's town, and their hydra is not particularly stating who is talking (unless I missed them setting up times or something in the pregame). For an early read, them using that ambiguity I'll put down as leaning slightly scum.
skanjab1s is just odd so far, somewhat scummy and/or new; any meta on him? Hmm I don't think this means anything syllo, Skanjabs' play on D1 was all well and townie.
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meh w/e you say. You've been wrong pretty much all game and you have close to no understanding of what has gone on in the thread. I don't think you've said a single factual thing about me.
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Way to discretit me Grack. You havn't been any more right than me or anyone in this game.
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Skanjab would you like to explain why you were against squibbing HF on the basis that squibbing him wouldn't "lower mafia KP" even though you clearly must understand that mafia has factional KP and it was extremely unlikely that they had additional roles with KP, considering they had lost 2 on N1 and there had been deathless night at the time of your assertion?
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I've been more right if it is Skanjab. More wrong if it is Onegu.
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On November 01 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote: I've been more right if it is Skanjab. More wrong if it is Onegu. That's WIFOM. I have been more right if it's you. See what i did there?
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On November 01 2013 17:32 syllogism wrote: Skanjab would you like to explain why you were against squibbing HF on the basis that squibbing him wouldn't "lower mafia KP" even though you clearly must understand that mafia has factional KP and it was extremely unlikely that they had additional roles with KP, considering they had lost 2 on N1 and there had been deathless night at the time of your assertion?
Are you serious?
I was against squibbing him because it would be a waste of a squib. His power is a secret vote, which he would be forced to use in town's favour. Because KP is factional, the squib will not block it, It is therefore much more useful to use it on absolutely anybody else that I think could be mafia. (And y'know, that's exactly what happened, I used it on mafia with a power).
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On November 01 2013 18:15 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 17:32 syllogism wrote: Skanjab would you like to explain why you were against squibbing HF on the basis that squibbing him wouldn't "lower mafia KP" even though you clearly must understand that mafia has factional KP and it was extremely unlikely that they had additional roles with KP, considering they had lost 2 on N1 and there had been deathless night at the time of your assertion? Are you serious? I was against squibbing him because it would be a waste of a squib. His power is a secret vote, which he would be forced to use in town's favour. Because KP is factional, the squib will not block it, It is therefore much more useful to use it on absolutely anybody else that I think could be mafia. (And y'know, that's exactly what happened, I used it on mafia with a power). This isn't how Mocsta explained your position and there was no way of knowing that the vote was his only power. Also you can't force a vote to be used in town's favour in lylo.
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What do you mean, that isn't how Mocsta explained my position? Please elaborate.
Secondly, him having a vote and another power is just highly unlikely, and so why would I want to waste a squib on a guy that (1) Has a claimed role that would be a waste of a squib (2) Might not have even been mafia? Instead of just using it on someone else? Its nonsensical.
Thirdly, it wasnt near lylo at the time, iirc.
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Why is that highly unlikely when we have tons of people with multiple powers?
Anyway, this is all quite pointless as essentially the only people in the game that could be the framer are you, grack and onegu and there is no way lynching those two before you can be justified, in particular when there is no need to go through that effort as mafia can not win.
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LOL.
No way lynching those two before me can be justified?
How about Onegu has a redcheck on him, when a framer could not have known to frame into his house (because matt+storr bluffed about checking gryffindor or slytherin)?
I cant believe I have to actually explain this whole thing to you, but for some reason you seem to be under the impression that we knew that Holyflare was scum, and with that knowledge, chose not to squib him.
That is not the case, as none of us were certain on holyflare being scum anyways. So we can either squib a dude who we THINK could be scum, but who has claimed a power that doesn't need to be squibbed (but who MIGHT have another power, because y'know, lets just fucking speculate), or we could be sensible and squib someone who we think is scum who has a power worth squibbing.
Which is what I did.
I really do not know how you can not understand this, or why you think this makes me scummy in any way. Also, you didn't elaborate on the first point.
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I don't have to and will not have this conversation with you - this is the last time I address you directly in the game.
The way you could have actually demonstrated your alignment would have been by putting in even nominal effort since day 1, which you did not. You could have chosen to cooperate with town by claiming and subjecting yourself to squibbing, which you did not. This is especially baffling because at one point you seemed to be advocating a mass claim. If you are town, you are the most anti-town townie in the game after Cephiro, but at least Cephiro put in a lot of effort in the end.
Feel free to make a case against Onegu or Grack or whoever. Be sure to explain why HF was trying to tie Onegu with BH and trying to get Onegu lynched first, even though he was essentially treating BH as confirmed mafia. Why not push you instead? HF was not in any danger of being lynched at the time. Where did the KP go on the night when Onegu claimed a hit? Was BH sent to perform the kill twice, even though no one was clearly going to RB Onegu and probably not HF?
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In addition, you have the same extremely hostile attitude as HF had.
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I looked over day 5 and I'm betting my end game credz on rayn being the last scum. ##Lock in : Raynoshi You better be town Skanjab1s!
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So Rayn is a framer who gives candy and instead of framing on n1, he gave you candy and attempted to use it to gain information about your role, or what?
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Maybe all the house checks just come out as 1 scum idk. I haven't thought that part through! That does explain why people don't think it's Rayn.
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Alright, makes perfect sense, carry on
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