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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 31 2013 02:57 E00e wrote: My posts are my thoughts about the game arent they? Jonny's and July's posts seem off because they are inconsistent. Yeah, July's right here... what do you mean inconsistent? With what? | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
In this post he acknowledges and explains his actions. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 01:12 cakemanofdoom wrote: Out of the people who have posted, tehpoofter is the one looking most scummy to me. I think it's a bit suspicious how he manages to end his real life obligations and post so soon after he was called out for inactivity, but I'll try not to speculate on his real life. More importantly, I don't like his read on me. I know I've looked suspicious, but not addressing Balla is quite possibly the least suspicious thing I've done. It's not like there's a scummy reason for lumping one attacker with others and addressing them all together. Even poofter seems to realize that, and backs off a bit by admitting that I might have just not noticed Balla amidst the attacks on me. What's left is a post that accuses me, with a poor new idea. I think poofter was trying to defend himself form the inactivity complaints, and he came up with some random poor evidence to try to show that he's contributing. I'll agree that Jonny's case on Vanesco was pushing it. Van was definitely not joining a bandwagon; if anything, he started it with decent reasoning. And in all his earlier posts he seemed quite certain that I was scum, not much apologizing. Why push van so hard with a vote and leave barely anything on poofter? His earlier response addresses his accuser, makes a point and explains himself with confidence. [+ Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On October 30 2013 15:53 cakemanofdoom wrote: Not addressing Balla is because I've been trying to address my accusations in general. I only addressed people directly when they directly ask me something or if there's something in a post that confused me. I think Balla is justified in calling me scummy (though I'm not scum). Van's comment on me defending Balla was inaccurate, so I wanted to correct him. Carelessly, I mentioned owb's post as an example of what I consider defending (actually disagreeing with the one who's doing the questioning) in hopes of making it clear that I was not defending. I can see how that looks like deflecting, and why that looks bad on me. And then, I was trying to get more people to talk, though that came off as asking people for their thoughts without contributing anything to town. It's just that at that point, from my perspective, no one was acting particularly scummy, so I focused on trying to get people to say stuff that I could make reads with. Hope my thought process is clear to you all. I'm town, and I know there's not much that I can say at this point to convince you guys of that. Thankfully, we have plenty of time for others to post, so hopefully I'll prove my innocence hunting scum once everyone else starts posting. He's someone to monitor but I'm not comfortable saying he's mafia at all anymore. Town who started the game badly when very few posts had been made? Sure. Read his filter again and tell me why I should feel otherwise. I'll get to vanesco and poofter in a minute. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
He goes on to post five more 1-2 liners that say NOTHING immediately after that post. E00e worries me a lot. If we don't see more from him I'm down to lynch the semi-lurker as well. A bunch of one liners and saying that I'm wrong. Fine, I'll be wrong but why? And where are the inconsistencies? I explain my reasoning. Granted the reasoning on Van was a stretch. Rereading Van's filter with fresh eyes I'll back off of him for now. I'm not sold but it's whatever. @Poofter I want more from you. I said Van was on a bandwagon for cake, when in reality I saw the ordering incorrectly. Cake is an easy target right now it appears. Why do you believe he's scum? Why do you not state any facts and instead have all questions? You're agreeing or disagreeing with others but not adding anything of your own. ##unvote vanesco And thanks Lonemeow it was late and I missed that part. I was looking for a link to a thread. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
##Vote: E00e I also want to remind people that OdinOfPergo is the only one that hasn't posted anything. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
and I already wrote about Jonny: They said we should form a plan to hunt Mafia but then dont form one, make a strange remark about dismissing Storr and a forced accusation. You should not jump to the conclusion that Im not willing to talk (even though it was correct at that time) when I dont respond immediatly. I dont live in this thread. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On October 31 2013 05:23 JonnyLaw wrote: @Poofter I want more from you. I said Van was on a bandwagon for cake, when in reality I saw the ordering incorrectly. Cake is an easy target right now it appears. Why do you believe he's scum? Why do you not state any facts and instead have all questions? You're agreeing or disagreeing with others but not adding anything of your own. On cake I made a post last night about how I felt about him and his early accusations which don't need to be rehashed now as its nothing new to go on. I think that cakes posts this morning haven't done much to change my mind. I don't like the way cake twice today has misread intentionally or unintentionally situations to accuse people. Storr made a comment about not posting rl situations having affecting you not posting. As he stated meaning that if you didn't post don't use it as an excuse. Not saying "hey i got class won't be here" as bad. He interpreted storrs words there incorrectly just as an excuse to call me out. Then on his next post Cake called out nyx for posting on a subforum 3.5 hours before he posted on here which wasn't true nad links to a quote that I feel like he didn't even read where johnny said that nyx is normally active later in the day. For these reasons I think cake is scummy easily handing out accusations and skewing facts into his favor. This combined with yesterday feels very scummy to me. As for you johnny This is the 2nd time you've misread my posts I feel like. First you wrongly interpreted my stance about storr saying i gave him a pass which I haven't. Now you're saying I have only been asking questions. I ask questions in less than half my posts. I brought up the fact that cake was suspicious early on and I think asking questions is a good thing getting people to talk by asking questions is usually one of the easiest ways to do that. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
I'll repeat my first main point on you: it's suspicious that you even bother pointing out that I didn't directly address Balla. It's a bad point because declining to point out everyone who accuses me has nothing to do with being scum. I don't why, as town, you would try to pass that off as scummy of me. As for the Jonny misread... yeah, my bad. I read the first part of it where he just says "nyx is active..." and that stuck out at me more than the other parts, and I was waiting on nyx to post ever since. I did consider that Jonny was wrong, but I figured it would be a good idea to call out Nyx anyways since he'd been quiet ever since his first post. To E00e: I think the one-line thoughts in your first post weren't helpful. Without justifications, they won't be convincing anyone. If they're obvious ideas without explanation, there's no need for you to come out and say them (and it's not like you were bringing attention to new trains of thought, since most of the thoughts had already been said) | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I find it really odd that you point that out poofter as him "skewing facts into his favor" on that point since it feels like you're just skewing the facts into your favor there as well. The storrzerg thing though, is kind of interesting. I believe OWB misinterpreted that as well though (on the other side of things), i don't think it was fair for him to attack you on that. | ||
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Vanesco
United States105 Posts
I will not say if I agree with you or not since you give no reasoning. I may or may not agree on some people, but I may disagree with the specific accusation you are giving. If you are town I would recommend giving more reasoning for your reads (even if they are obvious to you), but if you are scum then I don't mind if you remain quiet since it will be an easy lynch. Your only "kinda" accusation is on a maybe one of the first 5 posts of the game. So are you telling me all you have from this game are from only the first page of posts and have nothing else from the rest of the game? Well since my jumping to conclusion is correct then I guess it was the correct move, is it not? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
We will have to agree to disagree on the fact you neglected to refute yourself to balla being scummy. I think that Balla has played a very good town game thus far so not defending versus someone who is strong town to me is my basis for scum on that. @Balla Why would you think I would agree on the nyx thing? I read the original post as "nyx posts in this forum a lot and is active when he posts but don't expect him for a couple hours" So I have no reason to believe that he was being suspicious at that point although once he posted I haven't been a fan but I'll touch on that more later. As for my phrasing of "skewing the facts" I think that might have been a poor word choice I just meant that it seemed like cake was taking people's posts and making inferences that allowed him to then accuse someone on what I felt was baseless. That seems scummy to me. Although I will say that cake saying that her statement on nyx was a misread and just wanted the information does seem a bit more townish than his previous statements as getting more information from non posters is a pro town idea. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
Do you have any other reads aside from the 180 you did on van/cake? I appreciate you wanting to get a vote of some kind out on E00e but why choose that particular lurker over some of the others who hadn't posted much at the time like July/odin? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
that clears that up. As I said I actually believe that it may have just been an honest misread by cake as I said in my post. Apparently he wasn't the only one who misread it and getting nyx to talk more I think is good because I don't like his play thus far. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
I have to say that my read on Johnny is a bit conflicted in that I think the way that he makes his accusations and his pressure and his wordings have been good and done in a town measure. The problem is I don't agree with most of them ex: his read on Van last night and him saying I ask too many questions. For now I have him as on the fence leaning more scummy. I think there are better lynches atm. What do you think of him Balla? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Guessing which one is scum will be difficult though. Odin has given us nothing to work with but signed up for another mafia game and was decently active in his last game. I'd rather take an educated guess than go off of nothing. If odin doesn't post or vote lynch him day2 if we need. There are 24 hours to go I want to see what people put out there before the deadline. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Here are some of the highlights I particulary dislike. This whole post is saying nice things without actually saying anything. You say you don't want to clog up the thread while that's exactly what you are doing. Why would you not be comfortable voting if you're not trying to keep the thread from progressing. "I like van, i like ball because he calls me out. Posting more is better, go team! Then the excuse, I'm new blah blah." On October 30 2013 15:28 Tehpoofter wrote: @Van I don't have anything too strong but I do like the way you have been approaching things from multiple angles as opposed to just tunnel visioning on one person or thing I feel like that is a pro town move. My other read thus far is on Balla I liked that she was calling me out for not posting for awhile when I had previously given some input that seems pro town to me posting more is always better! Also I'd like to know what you(van) think about the July vote from store/obzy? Too soon? I'm new so the timing may be fairly typical but seems early too me I'm just starting to build up some reads here not sure I feel comfortable voting yet. Either post or don't post. Why be defensive. On October 31 2013 01:35 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm trying to get some posts in before I head to class in a half hour so going to try to make this quick and not spam the thread to hard Again. On October 30 2013 16:17 Tehpoofter wrote: just an fyi I'm playing in daily mafia so concentrating on that for the next bit will check in here if things get going but if I'm not around thats where I went. Where is this post??? On October 31 2013 06:45 Tehpoofter wrote: On cake I made a post last night about how I felt about him and his early accusations which don't need to be rehashed now as its nothing new to go on. Do you mean this?? Because in this post all you say is it's been discussed. You're trying to hide under the cover of being pro town while you say nothing and follow the easier reads other people have made for you. On October 30 2013 15:07 Tehpoofter wrote: I have to say thus far the biggest read I have so far is on Cake. I know its been discussed (but i was afk) my two cents is that his read of storr as being suspicious is off and I have to say he has been accused of being scummy by balla but has yet to address balla in her posts, I find that odd. @Cake what do you think of balla accussing you of being scummy? You seem to address the other people coming hard on you and I feel like you have gotten a fair bit of heat for day one so maybe it was just something you missed idk just want to hear what you had to say on that. (On a side not balla I feel like you should change your name to "Bella" because I had it typed in that way in here and on all my notes before realizing my mistake and having to change it all  ) | ||
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