EPTOn October 14 2013 21:53 flashimba wrote:
5/5
Couldn't agree more. SC2 > BW in every conceivable way.
5/5
Couldn't agree more. SC2 > BW in every conceivable way.
Reavers.
Your argument is invalid.
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-NegativeZero-
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On October 15 2013 01:14 Kassploj wrote: I don't understand how and why this guy turned a "SC2 isn't dying"-thread into a "SC2 is better than BW"-thread, even moreso when he seeemingly neither played nor watched Brood War ever. The worst thing is the argument basically boils down to I suck at broodwar so I can't do anything cool and I don't understand korean so I never watched BW. I mean, this is basically an argument for why LoL is the "best" game on earth. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On October 15 2013 00:11 vOdToasT wrote: You being bad is not a valid argument for why one game is better than another. this and They like to be unhappy and like to have strong opinions and show their ability to see the problem. [...] Yes, I now that I am on TL and that it is the greatest possible heresy, but I consider SC2 far better than BW in every concievable aspect. To avoid making this into a SC2 vs. BW writeup, I have put the BW related part in a spoiler for each point. Really? Complain about X and then do X. If it's an attempt to be ironic or sarcastic I apologize for not getting the point. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
On October 14 2013 21:53 flashimba wrote: 5/5 Couldn't agree more. SC2 > BW in every conceivable way. Even Fry is sure it's just troll. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
SC2 is the best RTS game in the world. Don't ever say anything about BW. Especially not on TL. Then you can stay happy, because a bunch of guys that is frustrated about their favorite game being dead can't screw up your day. For as long as you never mention BW. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:00 Big J wrote: I think for a SC2 fan the most important thing to do is to always put it: SC2 is the best RTS game in the world. Don't ever say anything about BW. Especially not on TL. Then you can stay happy, because a bunch of guys that is frustrated about their favorite game being dead can't screw up your day. For as long as you never mention BW. They will always come with it, because of those damned letters in SC2's name. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
On October 15 2013 05:00 Big J wrote: I think for a SC2 fan the most important thing to do is to always put it: SC2 is the best RTS game in the world. Don't ever say anything about BW. Especially not on TL. Then you can stay happy, because a bunch of guys that is frustrated about their favorite game being dead can't screw up your day. For as long as you never mention BW. But... BroodWar is the best RTS in the world, so now we have reached an impasse. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
 On October 15 2013 00:21 Djzapz wrote: 2- SC2 is easy to come play. This is outright false and most people will agree that multiplayer is a chore. Players quickly get bored of the game because while the learning curve at low levels is workable, LoL and Dota 2's learning curve is much easier, you can always blame your teammates when you lose No, it's not false. You just can't deny the fact getting a good game going on is absurdly simple (and light years easier than in BW - at least you can't do it convincingly when your main argument is "some people like to bitch about it on the internet". The problem is that most of those people do not want to play normal multiplayer - which was, in fact, the same in BW, where the "casual" scene was not in 1v1 (a fact that I learned with a big surprise a long time after I left BW). But it is not a problem for me , because I do want to play ladder and the game allows me that just fine - and the amount of people who feel the same is large enough to keep the waiting time very short (obviously, it would much more of a problem, if this wasn't the case). On October 15 2013 01:14 Kassploj wrote: I don't understand how and why this guy turned a "SC2 isn't dying"-thread into a "SC2 is better than BW"-thread, even moreso when he seeemingly neither played nor watched Brood War ever. I have specificaly mentioned that I have played BW. I actually played the game for several years, the last year of that period I played almost every workday evening. Just to make this clear. On October 15 2013 00:11 vOdToasT wrote: You being bad is not a valid argument for why one game is better than another. That probably depends on what you mean by "better". As a game is meant for personal enjoyment and everyone enjoys different things, it is hard to imagine that we can come up with a universal metrics for a game. On the other hand, I propose a theory that there are more people that can't do squat with BW mechanics than those that can and thus my point of view is more universal. But I can see how your metrics can be completely reversed and don't see a problem with that. | ||
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traceurling
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ejozl
Denmark3296 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7290 Posts
On October 15 2013 06:32 opisska wrote: That probably depends on what you mean by "better". As a game is meant for personal enjoyment and everyone enjoys different things, it is hard to imagine that we can come up with a universal metrics for a game. On the other hand, I propose a theory that there are more people that can't do squat with BW mechanics than those that can and thus my point of view is more universal. But I can see how your metrics can be completely reversed and don't see a problem with that. I think you're making a false assumption about the purpose of the game. People enjoy strategy computer games as a competitive platform and enjoy the aspect of competition. People who play games like Diplomacy, Phantom, BGH, etc, are still fairly competitive with each other in their mindset towards how they play. Sure, playing single-player and shit like that is fun, but when people say "SC2 is dying", they are almost always referring to the competitive aspect of the game, which is why they often refer to tournaments, balance issues, and professional players when making an argument about the competitive scene. And what you proposed is not a "theory", because there has been no scientific study, and additionally, given enough time and dedication, nearly anyone can play BroodWar with some decent proficiency. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 15 2013 06:32 opisska wrote: I wasn't planning to mention BW at all at first. Then I realised that the principal things that I like about SC2 are those where there is significant improvement with respect to BW. It then felt hypocritical not to say that. I know that some people here are storngly convinced that BW is better, but... whatever, this is just a blog and it is, what I think. Also, everyone who read the BW-related parts, has open the spoilers on his free will. I refuse to take blame for that No, it's not false. You just can't deny the fact getting a good game going on is absurdly simple (and light years easier than in BW - at least you can't do it convincingly when your main argument is "some people like to bitch about it on the internet". The problem is that most of those people do not want to play normal multiplayer - which was, in fact, the same in BW, where the "casual" scene was not in 1v1 (a fact that I learned with a big surprise a long time after I left BW). But it is not a problem for me , because I do want to play ladder and the game allows me that just fine - and the amount of people who feel the same is large enough to keep the waiting time very short (obviously, it would much more of a problem, if this wasn't the case). I have specificaly mentioned that I have played BW. I actually played the game for several years, the last year of that period I played almost every workday evening. Just to make this clear. That probably depends on what you mean by "better". As a game is meant for personal enjoyment and everyone enjoys different things, it is hard to imagine that we can come up with a universal metrics for a game. On the other hand, I propose a theory that there are more people that can't do squat with BW mechanics than those that can and thus my point of view is more universal. But I can see how your metrics can be completely reversed and don't see a problem with that. By better, I mean more interesting and more enjoyable. Different people are intrigued by different things, but I have yet to meet any one who has played both SC1 and SC2, gotten ok at both of them, and yet prefers SC2. If some one prefers SC2, and can tell me why (in other words, what SC2 has that SC1 does not), then I will respect his taste. I understand that you can enjoy something because it's easier, but that doesn't make it the better game. It just means you're too bad to appreciate the other game. For example, I play The King Of Fighters 98 rather than 2002, because I'm really bad at fighting games, and KoF 98 has less, therefor making it easier for me to appreciate. I'm not going to say that 98 is better, because I don't think it is. 2002 simply has more, and is more interesting - I'm just too bad to use any of it, and therefor I choose the easier game (for now). But 2002 is still better. If I was good enough, I'd enjoy it more. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
On October 14 2013 23:44 Ctone23 wrote: No offense, but it gets annoying when people only justify success of sc2 based on what Koreans think. Koreans enjoyed BW because they were able to play the game for free in PC bangs. If you haven't connected the dots yet, Free=Korean love. SC and SC:BW probably has more game sells than SC2, definitely for both korea and possibly worldwide (bw 10 mil sales worldwide in 2007) | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 15 2013 07:58 N.geNuity wrote: SC and SC:BW probably has more game sells than SC2, definitely for both korea and possibly worldwide (bw 10 mil sales worldwide in 2007) I doubt that. I think SC2 and HotS have more than SC1 and BW. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5111 Posts
Probably wasn't a ton of sales of sc2:wol in 2013. We're at 11 million bw vs 6 million WoL + HotS/2013 sale figures. pretty close. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 15 2013 08:18 N.geNuity wrote: I dunno, pretty close. not very good sources, but there is the 10 million source and 11 million source for starcraft/starcraft bw in 2009 timeframe from text of articles speaking with blizzard employees, and an article in Nov 2012 saying WoL had 6 million sales since release July 2010 according to activision (no direct quotes on these figures, but saying like Blizzard COO or Activision or Morheim, etc) Probably wasn't a ton of sales of sc2:wol in 2013. We're at 11 million bw vs 6 million WoL + HotS/2013 sale figures. pretty close. I suppose statistics don't lie. But that surprises me a little. It makes sense, however, when you consider that RTS games used to be mainstream (within gaming), before gaming in general became more mainstream. For example:  | ||
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