can anyone tell me how difficult is for protoss to do this all the time? It's just following a guideline of builds with certain timings, make a prism, and go out at 10.30 with 3 immortals and 12 fucking sentries. I'm not complaining about balance, because Hyun defended poorly, and played badly, but god, is this difficult for Protoss? Cus Zergs have terrible management agains such an all-in..

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

October 03 2013 21:01 GMT

#386

On October 04 2013 05:58 HyDrA_solic wrote:
can anyone tell me how difficult is for protoss to do this all the time? It's just following a guideline of builds with certain timings, make a prism, and go out at 10.30 with 3 immortals and 12 fucking sentries. I'm not complaining about balance, because Hyun defended poorly, and played badly, but god, is this difficult for Protoss? Cus Zergs have terrible management agains such an all-in..

If it were easy, every Protoss would be doing it all the time and winning. You need to be mindful of an additional resource during the push, which is sentry energy. Expend it too quickly, and your push fizzles out quickly. Immortals must be kept alive to maintain dps. Engagements must be picked carefully, and forcefields must segment enough of the Zerg so that forcefield energy is not wasted, but not too much so that you can't defeat the army without serious losses.

The viability of the hydralisk in HotS also means that once a good number of hydras reach the field, the attack gets crushed.

looken

727 Posts

October 03 2013 21:08 GMT

#387

of course your right bagration, i dont doubt it takes quite a lot of skill to pull it off, but it just feels so frustrating to see it coming and watch a zerg die to walls and walls of FF. dont know, i just cant appreciate the beauty in it.

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

October 03 2013 21:13 GMT

#388

On October 04 2013 06:08 looken wrote:
of course your right bagration, i dont doubt it takes quite a lot of skill to pull it off, but it just feels so frustrating to see it coming and watch a zerg die to walls and walls of FF. dont know, i just cant appreciate the beauty in it.

Totally understandable. It's not always the prettiest push

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

October 04 2013 15:54 GMT

#389

Group of fan favorites today. I hope Hasu manages to make the cut, though Nerchio definitely is the favorite in this group.

                  Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
---------------------------------------------------------------
     Nerchio     79.58%   47.37%   32.21%   12.86%    7.57%    
     HasuObs     68.01%   33.06%   34.95%   20.33%   11.66%    
    NightEnD     34.69%   12.89%   21.80%   35.97%   29.34%    
    uThermal     17.72%    6.68%   11.04%   30.84%   51.44%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Median outcome is

Nerchio 2-1 uThermal
HasuObs 2-1 NightEnd

Nerchio 2-1 HasuObs
uThermal 1-2 NightEnd

HasuObs 2-1 NightEnd

Yhamm

France7248 Posts

October 04 2013 16:35 GMT

#390

wasn't it supposed to start 30 min ago?

True_Spike

Poland3408 Posts

October 04 2013 17:31 GMT

#391

Nerchio 1-0 uThermal, so far. 2nd coming incoming.

Ace Frehley

2030 Posts

October 04 2013 17:33 GMT

#392

1-1 bio vs fully upgraded ultras
not even close

Undead1993

Germany17651 Posts

October 04 2013 17:47 GMT

#393

what's so funny that he lost to nerchio, that's pretty much what everyone was expecting

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

October 04 2013 17:49 GMT

#394

updated probabilities:

                  Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
---------------------------------------------------------------
     Nerchio     88.47%   60.64%   27.83%   11.53%    0.00%    
     HasuObs     68.24%   29.10%   39.14%   22.39%    9.37%    
    NightEnD     34.16%   10.25%   23.91%   41.07%   24.77%    
    uThermal      9.13%    0.00%    9.13%   25.01%   65.86%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

Not looking good for uThermal.

Dzerzhinsky

Scotland327 Posts

October 04 2013 17:54 GMT

#395

On October 05 2013 02:47 Undead1993 wrote:
what's so funny that he lost to nerchio, that's pretty much what everyone was expecting

Maybe he beats him a lot on ladder or something.

Schelim

Austria11528 Posts

October 04 2013 18:07 GMT

#396

woot, just found out about this tournament. sick prize pool and players, and some interesing results.

Hasu and Nightend hwaiting!!

EDIT: is it Nathanias and Semmler casting or am i crazy?

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

October 04 2013 18:07 GMT

#397

On October 05 2013 02:54 Dzerzhinsky wrote:

Show nested quote +

Maybe he beats him a lot on ladder or something.

Which sadly nobody knows of, since uThermal is being denied to be featured even though he qualified for WCS challenger.

edit: Is Hasu really playing PvP without collossi or stargate units? :o
edit2: Twitch is dying...

grs

Germany2339 Posts

October 04 2013 18:22 GMT

#398

On October 05 2013 03:07 Schelim wrote:
woot, just found out about this tournament. sick prize pool and players, and some interesing results.

Hasu and Nightend hwaiting!!

EDIT: is it Nathanias and Semmler casting or am i crazy?

You are not crazy, they are casting.