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This is the most unexpected tournament and prize pool I've seen so far (since the AZUBU CSL but, well...). I hope we'll see a lot of top players involved in this. The only thing I fear is the long period between the Group Stage 2 and the finals. The momentum the players can have to go through the early rounds can be over at this time.
Anyway, good luck to all the people involved in this !
On August 22 2013 05:36 Boucot wrote: This is the most unexpected tournament and prize pool I've seen so far (since the AZUBU CSL but, well...). I hope we'll see a lot of top players involved in this. The only thing I fear is the long period between the Group Stage 2 and the finals. The momentum the players can have to go through the early rounds can be over at this time.
Anyway, good luck to all the people involved in this !
Yeah, hopefully it wont matter too much with the downtime between september and december, since we are running dota and CS:GO aswell we wanted to have all three finals in the same week.
I mean it sounds pretty obvious that they put one terran in every group, then one zerg, and then stacked the remaining zergs and the protosses... I don't think it's a "fair" way to do stuff. If someone has great TvT he can't show it at all, if someone has shitty vP he's gonna get penalized a ton by this kind of groupmaking... It's not like horrible or unbearable or anything, but I'd rather have a random group generation.
mouzWake @mouzWake 5m .@mouzLucifroN withdraws from @FragbiteM on my command. His LASIK-surgery he did yesterday has not yet recovered. He can barely see anything
On September 14 2013 02:31 Nebuchad wrote: I mean it sounds pretty obvious that they put one terran in every group, then one zerg, and then stacked the remaining zergs and the protosses... I don't think it's a "fair" way to do stuff. If someone has great TvT he can't show it at all, if someone has shitty vP he's gonna get penalized a ton by this kind of groupmaking... It's not like horrible or unbearable or anything, but I'd rather have a random group generation.
to win tourneys you should be good against all races
So annoying to watch terran players just suicide all their hellions, not sure why they do that. Even if they kill a bunch of drones, the zerg is free to drone up completely without making units as there's no threat.
Nice participants and nice casters - ok, i'll follow! Best of luck to ukrainian players, it seems like both of them has been tilting lately! I'm rooting for our guys, tl-guys and MC!
On September 20 2013 05:12 JustPassingBy wrote: Wait, if Zanster wins won, will he advance? If yes, isn't that kind of unfair?
Yes, and I suppose. But what else could be done?
Replacing LucifroN with someone else.
Which opens the topic if that is fair.
I think the most reasonable thing is to postpone the group and do another group. But I assume scheduling difficulties made that impossible. And again, it raises questions of unfairness with people's practice and all being messed up, prior obligations and so on.
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
they could have scheduled this group for an other day.
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
they could have scheduled this group for an other day.
I don't think so, their schedule for the whole tournament is pretty tight, if you check the Liquipedia page. I think there is literally action every day.
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
they could have scheduled this group for an other day.
I don't think so, their schedule for the whole tournament is pretty tight, if you check the Liquipedia page. I think there is literally action every day.
I am well aware of the liquipedia pages, I did them all and yes they could have scheduled the groups in other way. Actually, when they announced the groups last week, they didn't have those letters so it was changed to reflect the order they are played
I was watching his money diligently all game, and i couldn't see an opening for infestation pit, hive, then 3/3, adrenal, ultra...... i think he could just afford the infestation pit and that was it.
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
they could have scheduled this group for an other day.
On September 21 2013 01:17 Yhamm wrote: they could have found a better schedule for Snute, he's at the Millenium show... :/
Yeah, maybe switching the times for C and D plus giving him the second match in group C would have done the trick. Probably not the best condition to play from the Mill show, but still better than a no show. :-/
they could have scheduled this group for an other day.
Yeah, like swapping with LucifroN's group.
I agree with you, but what is done is done :/ Hopefully, it will be no more of these 3 man groups.
On September 21 2013 05:50 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah, the main stream is offline. Too bad Snute had to forfeit even though the group is done and his finals have not started yet.
Edit: Seems like it just did. But still! :p
What finals?? edit: ah, the Mill show cup finals. Yeah, that was a bad call by Snute to cancel.
On September 21 2013 05:50 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah, the main stream is offline. Too bad Snute had to forfeit even though the group is done and his finals have not started yet.
Edit: Seems like it just did. But still! :p
What finals?? edit: ah, the Mill show cup finals. Yeah, that was a bad call by Snute to cancel.
Better money than a Dreamhack and weaker competition is a pretty good deal. Fragbite and ComHem are generous ^^
wow.. there are a Polish & a Russian stream, and none of them was able to cast the first map of San vs Nightend when the main stream was offline... that's so bad..
On September 21 2013 07:12 Zheryn wrote: I can't believe TargA knocked out Naniwa of Premier, he's actually about to lose this game after getting such a huge advantage.
DOnt remind me
Anyway, sad to see all the Terrans getting knocked out like this
I could understand that MorroW isn't amazing these days, but both SjoW and Kas
On September 22 2013 02:06 Yhamm wrote: that it doesnt worth a LR thread for each day
I don't see how lack of some games being streamed doesn't mean it shouldn't have an LR. The player pool is just as good as a Dreamhack, MLG or WCS EU.
8-9 pages and thats since the announcement of the tournament, with 4 qualifiers and the fifth group almost done the communication is poor, the live coverage is bad (4 streams casting the same match and no-one to cover MaNa vs uThermal) really no point to make a thread each day for this, even though I wished it was better than that
On September 22 2013 02:34 phrenzy wrote: What (KR) zergs are ZvP specialists? I know there are some but i cant remember.
DRG as relatively obvious example comes to mind. But tbh, most of korean zergs derp in ZvP. Or JD in WCS S2 finals. P. S. Woops, wrong order of letters
Every time he says that I lose all respect for him, again. Calling other pros hackers, even if they proved themselves offline already, is the worst thing a player can do pretty much.
On September 22 2013 05:39 Musicus wrote: Every time he says that I lose all respect for him, again. Calling other pros hackers, even if they proved themselves offline alrrady, is the worst thing a player can do pretty much.
Yeah, I dont have anything against a bit BM, when you have the balls to deliver it offline, also. But the shit that he keeps on pulling of, is getting too much for my taste. Wonder what his team says to this :/
On September 22 2013 05:39 Musicus wrote: Every time he says that I lose all respect for him, again. Calling other pros hackers, even if they proved themselves offline already, is the worst thing a player can do pretty much.
Yea because Bly have performed awesome at live events after WoL BL+Infestor times :p I'm not claiming or think Bly's a hacker btw.
Bly going for a 6min lair and going straight for hydra den before scouting was the weirdest lucky hardcounter I've seen, yet he someone failed to defend.
On September 22 2013 05:58 Zheryn wrote: Bly going for a 6min lair and going straight for hydra den before scouting was the weirdest lucky hardcounter I've seen, yet he someone failed to defend.
He kinda blind countered game 2 as well. Along with finding proxy pylons at the right time.
Hate these accusations, makes you go really paranoid if there's any truth in it.
On September 22 2013 05:58 Zheryn wrote: Bly going for a 6min lair and going straight for hydra den before scouting was the weirdest lucky hardcounter I've seen, yet he someone failed to defend.
Yea wtf was that. Gas balance seemed way off, or was he originally planning mutas? Then what made him switch tech?
On September 22 2013 05:58 Zheryn wrote: Bly going for a 6min lair and going straight for hydra den before scouting was the weirdest lucky hardcounter I've seen, yet he someone failed to defend.
Yea wtf was that. Gas balance seemed way off, or was he originally planning mutas? Then what made him switch tech?
Yeah it looked exactly like a muta build, but then the hydra den went down right away, I have no idea why.
On September 22 2013 05:58 Zheryn wrote: Bly going for a 6min lair and going straight for hydra den before scouting was the weirdest lucky hardcounter I've seen, yet he someone failed to defend.
Yea wtf was that. Gas balance seemed way off, or was he originally planning mutas? Then what made him switch tech?
Yeah it looked exactly like a muta build, but then the hydra den went down right away, I have no idea why.
I played him in an ESL cup last Monday and he perfectly blind countered my build to and flew his ovi to the right position without scouting , he seems very suspicious to me but I don't wanna acuse someone to quickly but I don't trust him aha
I dont think any accomplished pro like Bly is doing anything super fishy tbh. He's merely lucky with those builds. Btw gratz to NaNiwa and sC, clearly the 2 better players tonight in this group.
On September 22 2013 08:07 Undead1993 wrote: btw had sc 3 bases when his timing hit? if he didn't i think it's too early for harstem to gg there, isn't it?
On September 22 2013 08:07 Undead1993 wrote: btw had sc 3 bases when his timing hit? if he didn't i think it's too early for harstem to gg there, isn't it?
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
Exactly why do we care about what he said when it's been said before(Nerchio IEM qual). NaNi's reputation is not going to get any worse. I'd never stop supporting NaNi as his fan though.
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
On September 22 2013 08:12 Naniwa wrote: hey, once again i cause drama. believe it or not not intentionally. but theres no known way afaik to reveal hacking in sc2. especially not ghosting. They used very little delay on the game stream. which explains bly's speedling allin, finding the pylon i built in advance, and then making a spire in game 3 and instead making hydralisk den ( with no scout ) . its pretty obvious that something happened. I have no proof so what can i really do. its word against word but still. this makes me believe online tournaments are a really bad idea. but im not rich enough to turn down a tourney with money i just HOPE this teaches them to put longer delay on the streams to prevent this kind of behavior.
On September 22 2013 08:12 Naniwa wrote: hey, once again i cause drama. believe it or not not intentionally. but theres no known way afaik to reveal hacking in sc2. especially not ghosting. They used very little delay on the game stream. which explains bly's speedling allin, finding the pylon i built in advance, and then making a spire in game 3 and instead making hydralisk den ( with no scout ) . its pretty obvious that something happened. I have no proof so what can i really do. its word against word but still. this makes me believe online tournaments are a really bad idea. but im not rich enough to turn down a tourney with money i just HOPE this teaches them to put longer delay on the streams to prevent this kind of behavior.
just don't play in the tourney if you don't accept its format. it's simple as that. this guy..
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
Exactly why do we care about what he said when it's been said before(Nerchio IEM qual). NaNi's reputation is not going to get any worse. I'd never stop supporting NaNi as his fan though.
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
Exactly why do we care about what he said when it's been said before(Nerchio IEM qual). NaNi's reputation is not going to get any worse. I'd never stop supporting NaNi as his fan though.
Dunno, maybe just to show Bly some support?
I think it's good that people support whomever they think are right. I respect that, but the drama is so unecessary 50% of the time.
On September 22 2013 08:12 Naniwa wrote: hey, once again i cause drama. believe it or not not intentionally. but theres no known way afaik to reveal hacking in sc2. especially not ghosting. They used very little delay on the game stream. which explains bly's speedling allin, finding the pylon i built in advance, and then making a spire in game 3 and instead making hydralisk den ( with no scout ) . its pretty obvious that something happened. I have no proof so what can i really do. its word against word but still. this makes me believe online tournaments are a really bad idea. but im not rich enough to turn down a tourney with money i just HOPE this teaches them to put longer delay on the streams to prevent this kind of behavior.
I didnt saw the games, but I guess a bigger delay on a game will never hurt any online tournament. And it is bad from nani that he is accusing somebody, but man. nerves. I don`t say Bly cheated, but I don`t get why people are doing such a big thing in nani doing such declaration, especially if the facts are somehow in his favor, ling speed, spire instead of den. Maybe we should hear both sides, or just cut the drama, simple as that
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
Exactly why do we care about what he said when it's been said before(Nerchio IEM qual). NaNi's reputation is not going to get any worse. I'd never stop supporting NaNi as his fan though.
On September 22 2013 05:59 Joedaddy wrote: I missed the 3rd game... what happened? T.T; (bly vs nani)
Bly killed his own buildings instead of GG'ing to Naniwa
a good way to show how a sportsman has to behave, good role model indeed.
You are aware that Naniwa accused Bly of hacking on stream in the second game?? And apparently there was more said in chat, but I have no screen about that.
Exactly why do we care about what he said when it's been said before(Nerchio IEM qual). NaNi's reputation is not going to get any worse. I'd never stop supporting NaNi as his fan though.
nationalism at its worst
I don't understand how this is any different than somebody who support a BM player from their country(can be any).
I just think the drama is annoying even when it's not NaNiwa drama.
I didn't choose away anything. My fragbite group was just scheduled on top of me going to Paris for the Millenium Show and I made ppl aware of this and why it couldn't be fixed I do not know. I would love to play in this tournament and the prize pool is quite significant but shit happens.
On September 23 2013 01:11 Liquid`Snute wrote: I didn't choose away anything. My fragbite group was just scheduled on top of me going to Paris for the Millenium Show and I made ppl aware of this and why it couldn't be fixed I do not know. I would love to play in this tournament and the prize pool is quite significant but shit happens.
yeah, they should have scheduled this for an other day, that was badly done
This tournament deserves much more hype. And the OP should be updated with results, news and such. I wouldn't even know who's playing in this tournament hadn't it been for Netwars forums.
On September 23 2013 01:46 True_Spike wrote: This tournament deserves much more hype. And the OP should be updated with results, news and such. I wouldn't even know who's playing in this tournament hadn't it been for Netwars forums.
This has been an unfortunately lackluster tournament due to the issues brought up by Yhamm and others. Which is a shame, it has a great player pool and a great prize pool. It's weird that not all games are being streamed and with Snute's issues as well, it just doesn't look good. I hope the ro16 will be better!
On September 23 2013 05:37 pmp10 wrote: Perfect throw. Or worst BM move in history.
what did qxc? was watching basket
Sase sneaked in an early nexus at his third and ended up with three bases and 65 probes before the 10 minute mark. qxc couldn't drop anywhere and wasn't abøe to punish.
Eventually Sase stopped all the drops and started pushing into the natural, force it to lift and then goes to the third after FFing the ramp to the qxc's main. qxc eventually statilizes but is down 40 supply and 2 bases.
qxc pokes aruond the map and manages to kill the 5th just as it's warping in. He then moves in on the 4th and sase is a bit out of position. wxc gets position on the 4th and sase use move command right through wxc's army. After having his collosi and zealots hugging the marine/marauder for a few second sase decides to shoot his own pylon and then some zealot for good measure.
qxc ends up killing the fourth, all of Sase's army and is 20 supply ahead.
On September 23 2013 05:37 pmp10 wrote: Perfect throw. Or worst BM move in history.
what did qxc? was watching basket
Sase sneaked in an early nexus at his third and ended up with three bases and 65 probes before the 10 minute mark. qxc couldn't drop anywhere and wasn't abøe to punish.
Eventually Sase stopped all the drops and started pushing into the natural, force it to lift and then goes to the third after FFing the ramp to the qxc's main. qxc eventually statilizes but is down 40 supply and 2 bases.
qxc pokes aruond the map and manages to kill the 5th just as it's warping in. He then moves in on the 4th and sase is a bit out of position. wxc gets position on the 4th and sase use move command right through wxc's army. After having his collosi and zealots hugging the marine/marauder for a few second sase decides to shoot his own pylon and then some zealot for good measure.
qxc ends up killing the fourth, all of Sase's army and is 20 supply ahead.
On September 23 2013 07:46 Darthsanta13 wrote: What was sase asking about at the end of that game? I came in half way through. Did he want to play on a different server or something?
he said he played 4 games vs qxc on the US server and that he would like to play on Korean or Taiwan server at least once (qxc refused)
On September 23 2013 07:46 Darthsanta13 wrote: What was sase asking about at the end of that game? I came in half way through. Did he want to play on a different server or something?
Yep, Sase is in taiwan, Qxc is in the US and all 4 maps have been played on NA until now, so Sase asked, if they could play the last on KR.
On September 23 2013 07:46 Darthsanta13 wrote: What was sase asking about at the end of that game? I came in half way through. Did he want to play on a different server or something?
he said he played 4 games vs qxc on the US server and that he would like to play on Korean or Taiwan server at least once (qxc refused)
I see. Why is this tournament played on US anyway? Isn't it a mostly EU tournament? I feel like this isn't the first time I've seen online-based tournaments from EU play on NA server.
On September 23 2013 07:54 Thezzy wrote: Funny how Sase did not mention any lag until he lost a game after winning the first three.
he has a point though, playing 5 maps on the opponent server seems quite unfair to me (opponent server that is not even the "tournament server" which should be Europe)
On September 23 2013 07:46 Darthsanta13 wrote: What was sase asking about at the end of that game? I came in half way through. Did he want to play on a different server or something?
he said he played 4 games vs qxc on the US server and that he would like to play on Korean or Taiwan server at least once (qxc refused)
I see. Why is this tournament played on US anyway? Isn't it a mostly EU tournament? I feel like this isn't the first time I've seen online-based tournaments from EU play on NA server.
It's standard to play on a different server if both the players aren't in the hosts region. Would make no sense to play games on EU with qxc in US and Sase in KR.
On September 23 2013 07:54 Thezzy wrote: Funny how Sase did not mention any lag until he lost a game after winning the first three.
he has a point though, playing 5 maps on the opponent server seems quite unfair to me
Maybe, but I assume FBM has written down rules on how to handle x-server play. I think it's important not to blame the players (qxc in this case) for stuff like this, rather the tournament organization (if it's bad).
Well it would be interesting whether there are written down rules on server-choice. But yea, complaining about this kind of stuff in the public is pretty stupid.
On September 23 2013 07:46 Darthsanta13 wrote: What was sase asking about at the end of that game? I came in half way through. Did he want to play on a different server or something?
he said he played 4 games vs qxc on the US server and that he would like to play on Korean or Taiwan server at least once (qxc refused)
I see. Why is this tournament played on US anyway? Isn't it a mostly EU tournament? I feel like this isn't the first time I've seen online-based tournaments from EU play on NA server.
It's standard to play on a different server if both the players aren't in the hosts region. Would make no sense to play games on EU with qxc in US and Sase in KR.
I'm guessing Sase wanted to play on the US server because the ping from KR-EU is much worse than KR-US
On September 23 2013 07:55 Xoronius wrote: Losing a bo5 with all 5 maps played on the own server and still advancing, what a glorious format GSL system is.
I like to think that Sase won one match and qxc won one, then Sase's loss to HyuN is worth less than qxc's win vs RunA.
Of course it gets unfair, but simple stuff like who's in your group is a much bigger deal. I really like the format!
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea. I think it is rather poor sportsmanship from Qxc to demand the server advantadge in all 5 maps, when the rules do not support his claim at all.
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea.
Probably the only server they could agree on. Qxc would obviously rather play on EU than KR.
I don't like when stuff like this gets up to the players.
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea.
Probably the only server they could agree on. Qxc would obviously rather play on EU than KR.
I don't like when stuff like this gets up to the players.
I agree with on on that, a tournament should have solid rules for every possilbe situation; preferebly NA for KR-EU and switching Servers for KR-NA and EU-NA. Making the players choose between moral and personal gain does not improve the situation for anyone. But this is Fragbites first tournament, maybe tey will learn in the future.
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea.
Probably the only server they could agree on. Qxc would obviously rather play on EU than KR.
I don't like when stuff like this gets up to the players.
I agree with on on that, a tournament should have solid rules for every possilbe situation; preferebly NA for KR-EU and switching Servers for KR-NA and EU-NA. Making the players choose between moral and personal gain does not improve the situation for anyone. But this is Fragbites first tournament, maybe tey will learn in the future.
Switching KR-NA isn't a good system either - there is usually a lot less lag KR-NA then there is NA-KR.
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea.
Probably the only server they could agree on. Qxc would obviously rather play on EU than KR.
I don't like when stuff like this gets up to the players.
I agree with on on that, a tournament should have solid rules for every possilbe situation; preferebly NA for KR-EU and switching Servers for KR-NA and EU-NA. Making the players choose between moral and personal gain does not improve the situation for anyone. But this is Fragbites first tournament, maybe tey will learn in the future.
Switching KR-NA isn't a good system either - there is usually a lot less lag KR-NA then there is NA-KR.
Ok, did´nt know about that before, thought the connection would be pretty symmetric. As someone with a lot more experience; what would you suggest as server rule for NA-KR games?
All games must be played on the european Battle.net server. Unless both players agree on something elese.
The server rules were there. Seems like Sase should not have entered the tournament if he wasn't okay with them.
The rules say say, everything should be played on EU, but everything was played US (not in the rules, QXC´s home server, not Sases). The rules do not state, that US is preferred to korea.
Probably the only server they could agree on. Qxc would obviously rather play on EU than KR.
I don't like when stuff like this gets up to the players.
I agree with on on that, a tournament should have solid rules for every possilbe situation; preferebly NA for KR-EU and switching Servers for KR-NA and EU-NA. Making the players choose between moral and personal gain does not improve the situation for anyone. But this is Fragbites first tournament, maybe tey will learn in the future.
Switching KR-NA isn't a good system either - there is usually a lot less lag KR-NA then there is NA-KR.
Ok, did´nt know about that before, thought the connection would be pretty symmetric. As someone with a lot more experience; what would you suggest as server rule for NA-KR games?
It depends on the region in America the player lives in to be honest. If you're on the west coast then NA-KR and KR-NA can be about equal, but if you're on the east coast then NA-KR is usually a lot more laggy then KR-NA. So it's kind of hard to make good server rules.
On September 29 2013 01:50 Nerchio wrote: If they don't change the schedule it's unlikely i will play this since i have WCS on 5th and 6th which means travel on 4th
and they probably can't switch with group C cause it would be the same for VortiX :/
"Its so close! I can't tell who's going to come out on top... lings coming into absorb the bounce shots...! Who Is going to win this battle!>?!!?!?!?!?!?!"
Meanwhile, in my man cave....
"bro... just turn on the units tab....."
Seriously lol... that was so frustrating to watch.
On September 29 2013 05:33 Heartland wrote: what a classic TLO game.
indeed it was. read everything completely right, start the right building and then like "ahh i don't want to win anyways let's build sh's when my opponent is building the bay".
On September 29 2013 05:33 Heartland wrote: what a classic TLO game.
indeed it was. read everything completely right, start the right building and then like "ahh i don't want to win anyways let's build sh's when my opponent is building the bay".
and mutas when hes building stalkers and goes for an attack!
On September 29 2013 05:41 ptbl wrote: Wow, this game was a harder throw by TLO than the first game. He had 5 bases to MC 3 bases.
He never had 5 bases...? He had five hatcheries but there was barely any mining at the fourth and maybe like 3 drones at the fifth. It was mostly 3 base to 3.
Naniwa is just upset at himself, but he loves himself way too much to admit it, so he lets it out on Stardust instead. It's about mindset, not about age.
ya, but he isn't doing anything to improve himself and talking shit on other competitors during a tournament is really bad, since in his head it's ok to do stuff like that and he could get away with that, sad and bad situation IMO
On September 30 2013 02:30 Ammanas wrote: ^ a lot of tanks and hellbats. Or a lot of BCs with raven support.
Never want BCs vs Tempests. They take 95 damage a shot or something, and they're too slow to actually do any damage themselves.
Nathanias explained it, the ravens are there for PDD so that the BCs can yamato.
But anyway, the way qxc was set up, he could never have reached that comp. He was really low on gas despite having so many bases.
I know. I play mech/sky and get into this situation quite a lot. BCs are too slow and get kited by the Tempests while the Ravens run out of energy, then they get Fedback by HTs before they're close enough to Yamato. It isn't a pretty sight. You're better sticking with Viking/Raven and storm dodging, since they're fast enough to both catch Tempests and retreat if things go badly.
Beating Tempest/Colossus/HT means you need a heavy amount of Ghosts for EMP, Ravens for PDD and a crapton of Vikings. Unless you already have 3-4 Starports with Reactors and 1-2 more with Tech Labs for Ravens, you'll have a very hard time reaching the composition in time.
On September 30 2013 02:46 ThePlagueJG wrote: I think StarDust will win this winners match if San plays with korean lag. If San isn't I'm not sure who will take it.
San is really strong. He made quite a comeback to the scene.
On September 30 2013 02:46 ThePlagueJG wrote: I think StarDust will win this winners match if San plays with korean lag. If San isn't I'm not sure who will take it.
San is really strong. He made quite a comeback to the scene.
Yeah, San is a beast, but kr lag can kill any beast :/
Just thought I would post a link to the stream I found on reddit. I spent a good 15 minutes looking at Fragbite website and this thread. Only place to find the direct stream link are reddit, and the side bar on team liquid.
can anyone tell me how difficult is for protoss to do this all the time? It's just following a guideline of builds with certain timings, make a prism, and go out at 10.30 with 3 immortals and 12 fucking sentries. I'm not complaining about balance, because Hyun defended poorly, and played badly, but god, is this difficult for Protoss? Cus Zergs have terrible management agains such an all-in..
On October 04 2013 05:58 HyDrA_solic wrote: can anyone tell me how difficult is for protoss to do this all the time? It's just following a guideline of builds with certain timings, make a prism, and go out at 10.30 with 3 immortals and 12 fucking sentries. I'm not complaining about balance, because Hyun defended poorly, and played badly, but god, is this difficult for Protoss? Cus Zergs have terrible management agains such an all-in..
If it were easy, every Protoss would be doing it all the time and winning. You need to be mindful of an additional resource during the push, which is sentry energy. Expend it too quickly, and your push fizzles out quickly. Immortals must be kept alive to maintain dps. Engagements must be picked carefully, and forcefields must segment enough of the Zerg so that forcefield energy is not wasted, but not too much so that you can't defeat the army without serious losses.
The viability of the hydralisk in HotS also means that once a good number of hydras reach the field, the attack gets crushed.
of course your right bagration, i dont doubt it takes quite a lot of skill to pull it off, but it just feels so frustrating to see it coming and watch a zerg die to walls and walls of FF. dont know, i just cant appreciate the beauty in it.
On October 04 2013 06:08 looken wrote: of course your right bagration, i dont doubt it takes quite a lot of skill to pull it off, but it just feels so frustrating to see it coming and watch a zerg die to walls and walls of FF. dont know, i just cant appreciate the beauty in it.
Totally understandable. It's not always the prettiest push
On October 05 2013 02:47 Undead1993 wrote: what's so funny that he lost to nerchio, that's pretty much what everyone was expecting
Maybe he beats him a lot on ladder or something.
Which sadly nobody knows of, since uThermal is being denied to be featured even though he qualified for WCS challenger. edit: Is Hasu really playing PvP without collossi or stargate units? :o edit2: Twitch is dying...
On October 05 2013 03:46 JustPassingBy wrote: Hasuobs continuing the collossless style. Didn't he say in META that he finds zealot-archon-immortal stupid to play? :D edit: Kill the blink, Hasu!!!
I guess it's one of them "mindgames" that I see netizens mention every now and then.
On October 05 2013 03:46 JustPassingBy wrote: Hasuobs continuing the collossless style. Didn't he say in META that he finds zealot-archon-immortal stupid to play? :D edit: Kill the blink, Hasu!!!
I guess it's one of them "mindgames" that I see netizens mention every now and then.
Well, he never said that it wasn't strong, he just said he finds it stupid to play, which actually also implies that he played it.
On October 05 2013 04:24 Schelim wrote: aw, woulda loved to see what Hasu could've done with that fleet bacon transition but Nerchio already killed him
Yeah, there are exactly two timings where you can kill a zerg: beginning of mid-game with immortal sentry when it's too early for the zerg to add hydras beginning of end-game with skytoss when it's too early for zerg to turtle with swarmhosts and spore crawlers plus vipers.
On October 25 2013 01:29 shid0x wrote: I assume sC is not gonna play since he retired. Will it be a forfeit or will he be replaced by TLO (or HyuN/San if its mapscore )?
When sC retired, it was announced, that Fragbite will be his last tourney, so he´ll play, if nothing changes. That being said, his main focus is somewhere else now, so his condition in December will probably not be a huge challenge for Hasu, if sC does´nt get a serious motivation boost shortly before Fragbite.
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