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On September 06 2013 07:23 Blurry wrote:
I think its clear that at least one of the people voting, and probably 2 or 3, for chairman ray are Scum.
I think going into the next day all of our attention should be on these people. Its so unlikely that a Mafia would avoid jumping on this bandwagon especially when the vote count was so close.
I'll agree that there probably was at least one scum on the wagon, however I find it extremely unlikely that the whole scum team would've been on it, unless the other lynch option was scum they wanted to save.
Looking at the voting pattern, the only way that would make sense would be if myRZeth is scum. And given the way he plays I'd expect scum to bus him, not to take risks trying to save him. Taken out of context I'd want to lynch him for his unannounced, unexplained vote change, but considering the bigger picture, I'm uncertain.
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It's safe for me to believe that something's up with Bereft, he tunnels in on me thinking "easy first lynch" and provides minimal to no real evidence that I could be scum, apart from my really bad decisions in the early portion of the game. Disregarding my attempts to provide information for the town. As well as his believing I'm a better lunch target and not MyRz who hasn't provided anything whatsoever to give us leads even though he claims to have been active and open to give reads if he had any, making me think that it's a rookie mistake as mafia. Not participating because regardless, someone dies. So I think that he should be or next lynch if he provides no information, and I shouldn't be a target, seeing as you have all the possible info ok me considering I was tunneled on. But we should get the people not contributing and maybe interrogate our town leaders if suspicions are right that one of them are pretending to be pro town to sway us into practically winning game for mafia. That's all really. I'm at school now. Bye guys
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my thoughts on infii:
On September 06 2013 00:29 infii wrote:In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?) I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends. For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people: Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1 Coming soon/when I have the time Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on The main post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 12:28 Holyflare wrote:On September 04 2013 12:20 Umasi wrote:I am around to talk to, class finished and I'm at my computer. I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. Why not? missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege...... he was like 'oh hoh hoh this is a clever way to catch scum' or he's a troll. or he's legitimately confused by how this game is played. On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote:
This discussion is pretty slow so how about this.
Everyone answer the following questions.
Who is your strongest town read?
Who is your strongest scum read?
This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices.
Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis
Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff. strongest town read:You for asking this question and trying to talk about something productive. strongest scum read: vel, for calling me out as town and ignoring the other parts of my reads post, it feels like he thought I was a threat to be appeased. I also am leery of heavenz for ignoring the discussion. I'm not going to go into the revealing town reads in day 1 crap discussion again, what does it add? Nothing! Who cares who I THINK is town when everyone has posted like 1 post so far. Not only is there nothing to go on but revealing who I think is town just gives scum people to target if I die. As far as scum it's too early to tell really, yeh there's some scummy looking shit but until we hear more than 1 post from everyone there is nothing else to go on. Remember deus' first post in XLV, yeh, he was town. Admittedly, he cut the bs pretty quickly and went crazy aggressive but we've yet to see more from heavenz so it could all change. Any other 'reads' you all have at the moment are crazy speculation for now. Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler +First reply: On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote:
Alright holyflare.
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking
You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one
You didn't reveal your scum or town reads.
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
moreover
didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them?
Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts? Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town. Holy’s defense: On September 04 2013 12:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote:
Alright holyflare.
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking
You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one
You didn't reveal your scum or town reads.
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
moreover
didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them?
Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game. Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. Next post: On September 04 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote:ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it. I guess I was unclear. let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda. ##VOTE HOLYFLARE Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above). It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion. The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until: On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now. Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because: - Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak - You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse - You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote:
The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion. First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after. Later on: On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 13:24 Lord Velocity wrote:
Well because I scimmed over the posts and why wouldn't I address things concerning me? I'm not trying to have a misslynch day 1 and give scum a one up, but in no way was I saying "He's pro town" I was simply stating that your logic made sense, but:
Strongest town read: Nobody so far because I don't think we've heard from everybody? so I can't really base it off of like, the 5 people that actually talked and not about the day 1 lynch thing.
Strongest Scum read: Umasi due to his fast vote on Holyflare and his super aggressive early play. Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion? Case 3 – The LV slipup Coming soon/ when I have the time Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/ I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments.
it's strange, because he finger of suspicions me, and gives a broad statement about what scum are doing this game, but then doesn't push the matter, which isn't that big of a deal, but when he throws all that out for
On September 06 2013 06:34 infii wrote:
Yes Ray's last case looks so omg-scummy that I'm tempted to vote him.
But I will vote for myrz. Yes he could be town but he is not cooperative or doesn't want to contribute anything.
Though my strongest point on him is, that he is not even willing to change his behaviour. That is why he will be totally useless in the future.
There are about 30mins left and I have not seen any analysis from him so fuck that.
##vote myRZeth
he sticks his vote on a shitty lurker. My biggest question is why he puts it on myrz just 'cuz? in that post, he specifically says that rays post looks 'so omg-scummy' and then votes for myrz.
It feels like he approved of the ray wagon, but didn't want to be associated with it, since I think the reasoning for voting myrz 'because he's useless' is extremely ridiculous.
moreover, his opening post is just a greeting. he claims vt (and he can feel free to friggen do so), but the entire thing just skipped by the conversation at hand (which was about lynching vs no-lynching)
On September 04 2013 23:36 infii wrote:I would also love to see more participation from the people with the lower post counts (of course including me), so I did dive a bit into the filters. heavenz: Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 15:26 heavenz wrote:
Umasi, is very aggressive, which is a townlike nature, but beeing aggressive on the first day with everyone just getting into isn't a big feat, so that reduces my town read of him at the moment, at least he called me out for my opening post, which was indeed worthless, and thought to be just a bit of a discussion starter before I went to bed (I didn't think the game would actually start yesterday). Considering the fact that the discussion about yes/no-lynch on D1 was already going on for about 1 hour at the time you posted this, why did you go ahead and claim it to be 'a bit of a discussion starter' with your second post? myrzeth: Yup... we need to hear more from you merzeth. What is your opinion on lynching the most inactive player on Day1? Pharcyd: Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:44 Pharcyd3 wrote:
Heavenz post was extremely bizarre. I'm not sure what that post accomplishes but to make people distrust you His only post, though he stated before that he would have plenty of time to keep up with the thread. So why not also contribute to the discussion? Chairman Ray: Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 08:16 Chairman Ray wrote:
A lynch on day 1 incentivizes people to avoid being the scummiest looking player since that player WILL be lynched
A possible no lynch on day 1 doesn't achieve this incentive since unless you completely crumble and blurt our something incriminating, then you don't get lynched
So under the first case, as long as every genuine townsperson is being very active and contributing, then mafia is forced to do the same. Even if we lynch a town on the first day, we're still on a good start. If not every genuine townsperson is active or contributing, lynching them isn't a big loss. Took part in the early discussion about Day1 lynch with 2 posts saying the exact same thing. Also I disagree a bit with you here, because you don't have to actually execute the lynch to get people talking. A lynch threat is more than enough. Don’t you think lynching a less active townmember early on is a loss? Because they could still improve on Day 2 for example. Ok basically everyone listed above should step up and contribute to the discussion. You can start by answering my questions. On another note: Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now. Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see.
This is just talking about lurkers.
We don't need people to point out fucking lurkers for us, we're all aware of their presence :|
I'm not sure if I addressed his final point though;keeping the scummiest person voted just let's people know what I'm thinking at the time, so I tend to throw it on and off a lot.
Basically, I'm just wondering why infii has contributed jack this entire game, aside from being visibly suspicious of me and then discarding that all when a shitty lurker pops up and makes himself lynchable. I wouldn't rule out infii/myrz as scum together (although it's pretty unlikely), but atm I definitely prefer an Infii lynch for these reasons.
Regarding Lonemeow, people have made good points about him and his constant questioning, and it does feel like he's just trying to keep people off his back, but this may be a product of his injury? idk. at least he's present.
myrz is obviously a shitty lurker, lynch them alllll, and I voiced my thoughts on heavenz earlier, they're still the same.
Preferred lynch order is infii>myrz>lonemeow>heavenz>others
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Just have a minute to respond to a few things. Just a note, my uni is having a "start of term" thing tonight so I'm not sure if I'm going to be back before the next day starts. (Not that I expect to get lynched when I seem to have rocketed up everyone scum lists  , yay for silver linings.)
On September 06 2013 07:29 Lord Velocity wrote:
I didn't understand you Killer when you tried to pressure that I should be voted off and about me not having anything good to say about you, when I actually read you as town based on your actions and good logic before
I assume you're responding to this post
+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2013 05:54 killerdog wrote:
Secondly, he doesn't really have any friends right now, he hasn't really defended anyone and has at various points called pretty much everyone scummy. So I feel that regardless of what he flips, we don't really learn anything. Compare that to the information we might get from lynching someone else. Say we lynch Infii, regardless of whether he flips scum or town, we have the potential to look at his past posts and maybe learn something from them. Not everyone has aggroed on him and he hasn't aggroed on very many people and we could maybe read something from that.
First I'd like to say, I stated the reasons I felt it was wrong to lynch velocity on multiple occasions, and kept asking different people for a response to my reasoning to know whether they agreed or not. I don't remember anyone even acknowledging it, and that's why I decided not to push for him.
As for the reason i just quoted, this is one I've had in my notes for a while. As the only two calls he really made were Umasi town, (which most people seem to agree with) and me town, from my perspective where I already know I'm town, a lynch on him doesn't give any information, as the "town" call on Umasi isn't really very dramatic.
Therefore, with an hour to go before the lynch, I decided to give *my* reasons for not lynching LV, in the hopes that either some people would agree with my logic, or come with counter arguments, but everyone ignored it.
@bereft, you're taking so many posts out of context.
You justify bandwagoning a bit of pressure on him for his first post, but me doing the same move later when chairman ray jumps on the edit you find suspicious.
You're also for some reason putting emphasis on "the timeline" of two posts. I hadn't read your list of "analysis" when i made the post below it. I did what I normally do, open up a post then slowly add stuff to it, while eating breakfast or whatever else is going on, then publish it. Anything I see which has been posted between me starting my post and me posting it I address afterwards/when i get back to my computer so I fail to see what relevance the order has.
Also him saying I was probably town because I was willing to provide reads was 7 hours before you posted your "reads," when I was the only person who'd gone in depth on every player. (A note about those reads, there you are also going on me for the "loaded questions" post, look at the timing of the post, it was meant to be part of the longer post but I just forgot to include it in it.)
You've also failed to address the fact that Umasi has been defending Velocity on multiple occasions, I even specifically asked him what his thoughts on velocity were,
+ Show Spoiler +On September 06 2013 06:27 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:20 killerdog wrote:
Umasi, whats your opinion of voting for velocity? You've lightly defended him in the past, but you've also indicated that if there was a strong scum read you'd prefer to lynch them instead of going for the afk/lurker.
Would you rather lynch myrzeth, Chairman Ray or Lord Velocity? see my other post :| although myrz vote is super fucking weird again
And he referenced me a post where he only talks about voting for chairman ray. Sure, a little after he says
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 06:48 Umasi wrote:On September 06 2013 06:47 Lord Velocity wrote:
Well kill me then if you feel I'm the scummiest, but notice how dumb you will feel after I flip in the morning oh my god go fuck yourself right now hoooooooly shit I'm sticking with ray, but holy god, I almost want to switch.
But by that point velocity was very much in the clear regarding votes, and it would have taken something of a miracle for him to get voted off. This was the first non positive mention Umasi makes of Velocity, and yet find my interactions with him more suspicious.
Anyway, not sure if I'll be back before tonight, if anyone has any questions just ask.
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Oh btw it's only 9AM here so I won't be posting for the next 5 or 6 hours. :/
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Night 1 ends in 3:30 hours! Make sure to send in all Nightactions to all hosts!
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How do I do the popcorn thing?
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Day 2
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Deep in thought Blurry sat in his office, fixated on the documents on his computer screen. It had been such a messy day in the Agency after the information from Chairman Ray's sudden removal started to trickle in. While the entire affair was classified "top secret", still by late evening everyone knew and started looking around nervously, always checking if he might be the next to "vanish" into an interrogation room, to never come back again.
It was well after midnight already, but Blurry kept hammering into his keyboard.
"Something must be here somewhere, otherwise it would not have been this difficult to obtain!"
He was more than certain to be on the right track, in the vast amount of data before him had to be the identity of those infiltrators.
Focused on his task, he never even looked up as a sniper bullet hit him through the office windows, splattering his desk with his blood.
On the opposite rooftop a darkly clad man allowed himself a smile.
"So close, my dear friend, but still so far away from it all!"
Blurry, the MI6-Agent has been killed!
Day 2 has begun! You have 48 hours to the next deadline!
Reminder: This game uses PLURALITY LYNCH! The player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched!
Voting is necessary and should be done in this separate thread: Link
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Can I have a list of the live players? Sorry
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Good Luck Friends, can't wait to see how this all turns out.
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So I am now certain Bereft isn't town because after I pressure him on his whole relations with Blurry, and why he agrees with his thoughts and does what he does basically, but then he says something about me already being suspicious of them being a duo, and tries to jump on me to get me eliminated and provides what he thinks are supporting facts on why I'm "mafia" But Blurry dies, which leads me to believe that either mafia killed him to frame Bereft in my eyes, or Bereft indeed got rid of Blurry so that no further suspicions would arise from the whole situation proposed by me earlier in night 1. Can I get some thoughts on the situation? Or just thoughts on why Blurry would die and who he was pointing at, or if you guys think he was just a kill, and nothing special.
(Sorry if it's a little WIFON"
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
God, scum suck in this game.
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And you say that because?
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Blurry was the worst night kill I've ever seen. The last thing he said before chairman got lynched was "I know he's going to flip green" that made his suspicious as fuck, the only possible reason there was to kill him was that he named people on the scum team either during night or during the day as possible lynch targets for the next day but even then there were 200x better nk targets.
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Holy what do you think about my thoughts on Bereft and Blurry posted not so long ago?
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
I am disregarding them because you are scum.
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LOL okay so apparently Holy won't be using logic today
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Don't you think I would've killed you or umasi and not blurry? You're logic really sucks right now
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
No, you are 100% scum, why even fight this?
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