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On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl Show nested quote +As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick?
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On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town.
ah you are right! really good post yamato. Very insightful, definitely town.
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On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people.
But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically.
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On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town?
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On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either?
Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game.
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On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today.
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On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us.
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On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates.
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On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. And for the record, Rayn hasn't stopped the entire game. I stopped partway through N0 and stopped after entering thread today, completely independent of anyone else's efforts.
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On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is.
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On August 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates. Ugh. I seriously don't want to lynch Vayne. He constantly touts that he doesn't get mislynched ever but the fact remains that he is lynchbait all the damn time because of his play.
The problem is I want to say I'm fine to wait until D2 for him to be 'useful' like he says but he's said that before in other games and it doesn't happen. Hell, for all I know it could be a ploy to get some mafia play off tonight? (kinda unlikely but still) I don't think I'm likely to vote him today though.
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I don't really want to waste any more words arguing about what I've done this game. If you think I'm scum because I don't agree with you, I don't give a fuck.
I'm leaving. When I get back, I will update my reads on players that I find suspicious and we WILL lynch one of them.
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@Rayn.... I'm tired of the WoS shit. You noted differences between games. I see that as meta. You talk about him not wanting to explain himself; having played a billion games with him, I see that as just something Daniel could do. As to him continuing to not engage you, I actually see that as a towny thing for him to do. In the last game we hydra'd he literally said "ITalk to your friend (JJD) b/c I'm done w/ him and his shit." I would completely understand him doing something similar here.
You still scum on Sn0?
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On August 22 2013 09:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is. But why bother? Rayn has made it perfectly clear that he feels like tunneling me all game long to the detriment of town atmosphere at times and says this is 'always' how he plays (even though it really isn't ---I have NEVER seen him tunnel a sole read to the bitter end like this). I personally believe this is a new 'persona' he's trying out for whatever reason. Not necessarily alignment indicative but it's not....'true' Rayn.
Anyway why bother engaging him if it won't make him stop?
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@Rainbows... you around still?
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On August 22 2013 09:25 geript wrote: @Rayn.... I'm tired of the WoS shit. You noted differences between games. I see that as meta. You talk about him not wanting to explain himself; having played a billion games with him, I see that as just something Daniel could do. As to him continuing to not engage you, I actually see that as a towny thing for him to do. In the last game we hydra'd he literally said "ITalk to your friend (JJD) b/c I'm done w/ him and his shit." I would completely understand him doing something similar here.
You still scum on Sn0? Whoa whoa. What is with the out-of-game/'RL friends'/emotional appeal? You bring up the example of JJD and you're right, but the ONLY time I've ever seen you do something like this is when you wanted JJD to know who you were and used his real name, as our town hydra.
This honestly looks like a crumb you're leaving for me to make me think that you're town specifically BECAUSE you did the same thing here.
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On August 22 2013 09:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is. Well you certainly got your message through as me and WoS did not stop and other people who have taken a part of this conversation on D1 did not remember that kind of post before you needed to point out something along the lines from your filter. Did you try really hard to get the town on what you believed is the right track? Are you usually this un-convincing as town?
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On August 22 2013 09:27 geript wrote: @Rainbows... you around still?
Kinda sorta
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On August 22 2013 09:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Whoa whoa. What is with the out-of-game/'RL friends'/emotional appeal? You bring up the example of JJD and you're right, but the ONLY time I've ever seen you do something like this is when you wanted JJD to know who you were and used his real name, as our town hydra.
This honestly looks like a crumb you're leaving for me to make me think that you're town specifically BECAUSE you did the same thing here. So let's explore this. You think I'm scum? Why don't you like Tofu or Crazy as much as I do? Especially re: Crazy when I nailed TAA on similar shit in that game.
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