Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Page 4
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agahamsorr0w
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Kickboxer
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Waise
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just because they're based on comic books, that doesn't mean the movies have to be mindless, childish escapism like comic books... how about writing a compelling story that happens to take place in a superhero world? | ||
HoboJoe20
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Zealously
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Waise
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On July 21 2013 23:34 Zealously wrote: I don't watch a lot of movies and I don't read a lot of comics, but reading this thread I have to ask: what do you guys demand from a movie? There is almost no info available yet all I see is criticism. What do you want from a movie, superhero movies in particular? i demand that a movie have some kind of narrative merit, that's all. it can be full of action, explosions and CGI as long as it's telling a story and telling it effectively. in my opinion, all movies should be art and all movies should be storytelling. action as a genre doesn't mean "no story/no artistic vision," it just means that the vision is presented in an action context. | ||
Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On July 21 2013 23:18 agahamsorr0w wrote: superman is overpowered yeah but its his morals and origins that make him interesting, not powers. plus, there are enemies as strong or stronger than him. dont yell nonsense if you havent done research. his origins? suuuuper interesting. we have an super advanced race capable of space travel yet they entirely miss that their planet blows up. really? that was interesting as long as we didn't know it. because it doesn't make any sense. and stronger as superman. that's really totally what we need. more overpoweredness. more senseless bashing because it would be clear after 5 min that only superman stands a chance against this evil. | ||
Shiori
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On July 21 2013 23:34 Zealously wrote: I don't watch a lot of movies and I don't read a lot of comics, but reading this thread I have to ask: what do you guys demand from a movie? There is almost no info available yet all I see is criticism. What do you want from a movie, superhero movies in particular? Characters with depth, aversion to fanservice, coherent storylines, a deliberate decision to make either a fantasy movie or a realistic movie (rather than both at once) as well as fewer philosophy 101 themes would be fine. I guess what I'm looking for is a really good superhero genre movie, rather than a movie about superheroes that is good/a blockbuster, but which fades away quickly because it's basically just a creative, well-executed action movie with not much substance. I'd say the best example of this is something like the Avengers; it was a really well-made movie, and a joy to watch, but it didn't really have much to it since it was banking on the hype factor of "omg all these characters on the screen at the same time and huge battles." There's nothing really "wrong" with that, per se, but it just feels similar to popular fiction: there are good works and bad ones, but none of them endure, because none of them bring much new to the table. | ||
e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
Supes then starts becoming a threat to the world and it is up to Batman to use his skills and intelligence to come up with a way to defeat the Worlds most Powerful Being. Batman figures out how to emulate Krypton's atmosphere via a special chemical/gas/device/tinker toy. He uses it on Supes. But to Batman's shock Supes is not 100% weakened. THe Kryptonian still maintains a fraction of his super powers and in a climactic duel the two fight it in an epic battle that destroys half of Gotham. Or Metropolis. No wait... Metropolis was already half destroyed... | ||
Waise
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On July 21 2013 23:46 Shiori wrote: fewer philosophy 101 themes oh god, if i never have to sit through christopher nolan's batman morality again it will be too soon. i got really sick of the effusive praise people heaped on the redemption/vigilante themes in the dark knight movies, because the thing everyone ignored was that while the movies may have raised those issues, it ultimately didn't do anything to address them because the audience is already on batman's side and will be no matter what. there was no true moral ambiguity to the storyline. bane was supposed to represent certain leftist/socialist ideals... but he was simplified to a terrorist trying to bomb a stadium. harvey dent was a commentary on how power and politics corrupt, fine, but his corruption was so swift and undeniable that there was no ambiguity there. everyone knows "he's a bad guy now", right down to the very mildly overbearing visual cue that half his face was burnt off. joker was a well acted psychopath, but his anarchic ethics were much too rudimentary to actually make a meaningful statement about anything | ||
agahamsorr0w
Netherlands359 Posts
On July 21 2013 23:45 Hryul wrote: his origins? suuuuper interesting. we have an super advanced race capable of space travel yet they entirely miss that their planet blows up. really? that was interesting as long as we didn't know it. because it doesn't make any sense. and stronger as superman. that's really totally what we need. more overpoweredness. more senseless bashing because it would be clear after 5 min that only superman stands a chance against this evil. seen man of steel? jor el said they stopped space travel programs and settled (humans also settle if u didnt know) . they artificially made babies and gave them a task in their society to fulfill. im sure they programmed everyone to just stay on krypton and defend it. thats why they didnt leave. or it could be that they had nowhere to go and it would take too long to get to planets like earth. zod said they STARVED meaning that if all of krypton went along, noone would have survived if they didnt perform cannibalism. | ||
massivez
Belgium653 Posts
Funny thing is i find the asian Superman alot more interesting then the American one (Goku). Like Superman also an alien, but regarded as low class by his own race. A guy with limitless potential but not unbeatable (looking at his deaths), he has flaws unlike superman like him beïng not smart and too forgiving towards people/naïve. | ||
Darkhorse
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Axonn
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Telcontar
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Shiori
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On July 21 2013 23:54 Waise wrote: oh god, if i never have to sit through christopher nolan's batman morality again it will be too soon. i got really sick of the effusive praise people heaped on the redemption/vigilante themes in the dark knight movies, because the thing everyone ignored was that while the movies may have raised those issues, it ultimately didn't do anything to address them because the audience is already on batman's side and will be no matter what. there was no true moral ambiguity to the storyline. bane was supposed to represent certain leftist/socialist ideals... but he was simplified to a terrorist trying to bomb a stadium. harvey dent was a commentary on how power and politics corrupt, fine, but his corruption was so swift and undeniable that there was no ambiguity there. everyone knows "he's a bad guy now", right down to the very mildly overbearing visual cue that half his face was burnt off. joker was a well acted psychopath, but his anarchic ethics were much too rudimentary to actually make a meaningful statement about anything Agreed. The sad thing is that, even though the Nolan films had simplistic moral themes, it's still the Socrates of superhero movies because the standard is so low. Superhero movies up to that point (I don't really consider Watchmen to be a "superhero movie," per se, but it's the only one I can think of which tried for some depth; it failed, but it tried, at least) were almost entirely standard action fare, with varying levels of creativity and visual flair. So when Nolan made a Batman franchise that had even a modicum of philosophical/social/ethical speculation built-in, everyone was blown away, and everyone thought it was Best Picture and so on and so forth. It wasn't because the Nolan movies were omfg-the-next-Citizen-Kane, or anything, but because the kind of people who get excited for action movies (i.e. most casual moviegoers, of which I am but one) have pretty much no examples of idea-centric movies to compare it against. That's why the Academy was largely benevolent toward TDK while everyone who didn't normally watch the Oscars thought it was certain to win. | ||
Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
On July 21 2013 23:07 Godwrath wrote: So it seems that the DC vs Marvel is quite a strong rivalry between nerds. This shit is hilarious and ironic at so many levels. About the movie, i won't watch it, i am not interested on flawless superheroes like superman, captain america, etc. Lol, i'm not a fanboy of anything, which makes it funnier. I'm just saying, he deduced his opinion solely on a sc of 1 pic...... I hope he doesn't vote, wherever he lives. | ||
BigFan
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MR KING
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