Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV - Page 23

On July 13 2013 08:19 Koshi wrote:
@Hurricane Sponge

Koshi: I am still learning on how to play the game properly. I am extremely bad at scumhunting. I get very easily annoyed by people saying that I am scum (I am working on this). I love fluff posts. I hate illogical posts but it seems that illogical does not mean you are scum, however, I am not planning on ever making an illogical post and when I do please call me on it.


As you can see, I got a lot of bad qualities that make me look scum all the time. However, I always prove that I am town by trying and hopefully this game I can prove it by actually nailing some scumreads.

On July 13 2013 16:34 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


I could see a townie claiming that his anger was fabricated due to pride. It's embarrassing to admit you got mad for silly reasons to a group of strangers. Obviously that's not in the best interest of the game, but for some, ego will always come first.

On July 13 2013 16:40 Umasi wrote:
k, at this point, I can't really think of anything to talk about from your post, Sponge. I think Chrom is on the slightly townier side, xzav is more planet neutral, and kirby is not super towny, just by gut reads.
At this point I'm still happy with a StiM lynch though, but Superfluous is contesting it pretty hard. and depending on what nightcat says, I'll rethink him, but he's still ehhhhh.

I may just be judging people a little too quickly, but that's because I sit at my computer pretty much constantly being a lazy asshole with the thread open, refreshing every five minutes.

On July 13 2013 16:43 Umasi wrote:



Actually, at fear of falling prey to meta~~~
He did do a similar thing in the mafia game I played with him, where I called out his post as scummy as he self voted.
He basically returned to the thread to save face, (since he flipped town)
so that wouldn't be out of line for him. In fact, it fits with what I know.

-I am leery of meta though because the entire obs qt of the last game was like "meta bad!"

On July 13 2013 16:46 Umasi wrote:
Because he was the first one to vote for StiM and if StiM flipped town, that would be extraordinarily suspicious.

On July 13 2013 16:46 Umasi wrote:
Because he was the first one to vote for StiM and if StiM flipped town, that would be extraordinarily suspicious.

@Chrom:

Can you explain what this post means?



I also have a nitpick with this post:



I feel like the anger was definitely real, and StiM was trying play play Mr. Cool Cat by claiming that he was really in control the whole time, and just pretended to be angry. Still not clear what that motivation could have been, but the above 2x2 leaves out some key points and I feel you're making a bit more assumptions that you usually do...

On July 13 2013 16:29 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


I'm still a bit mad at StiM for his post implying that it was our job to keep him entertained. I'm going to give myself some time to cool off on that, because I don't appreciate people quitting on my team (if he is in fact town). This is a time investment for everybody, and it's damn selfish of him to pack up his ball and go home after really light pressure.

Townville:

Kirby pressured me appropriately after my opener. I like that. He also seems to have the same attitude as me regarding the quick StiMwagon:



hz is aggressively posting reads and seems to emulate my thoughts on the early Superfluous post:



Xzavier posted some decent thoughts (although he really didn't go out on any limbs):



Rainbows is active and is claiming credit for the StiM wagon. If StiM is town, as I suspect, I don't think scum would be claiming lead on an eventual green flip:



Planet Neutral:

I've found confusing material on Chrom that some may deem scummy (misrepresenting facts, leaping to conclusions, overblowing alignment-neutral mistakes). However, he also did his usual early game Poke'n'Prod, getting people to clarify their random claims that might otherwise have gone unchecked (very town).

Umasi is incredibly active, and hunting. The logic leaps, confirmation bias, and clumsy attacks aren't really helping the town, however (other than to just provide really obvious pressure). If there was a shade between Green and Black, I'd use it because I think the three options for Umasi are 'Bad Town' 'Good Scum' and 'Good Town That I Just Have Trouble Reading For Whatever Reason'.

Scum Central:

Superfluous has a lot of ground to make up. I don't like people attacking him for his bad policy, but at the end of the day, that's not the only thing going against him. I really disagree with his reads, and that has to account for something:

On July 13 2013 15:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


Chrom has made a couple missteps that I would consider 'uncharacteristic'. At the very least, they are poor play I did not expect from him.

1. His enthusiasm to lynch StiM after the blow-up (surely we can all see that it was more likely immature and pissy play from StiM and alignment-independent) contained logical leaks and overblows the importance of whether StiM lied about being mad or not.

2. Saying Superfluous was trying to not 'make waves' when he was the lone voice speaking up for an unpopular policy (Day 1 No Lynch)

More importantly, when viewed as a whole, the bolded section above is a big stop sign on my vote to lynch StiM: Why would scum not alert StiM that everyone and their mother knew the jokepost was a joke and let him carry on in this manner? He'd have to be willfully disobeying his team, or (more likely) flying solo. If someone can give me a satisfactory answer to that, I'd feel much better about a StiM lynch.

On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread.

On July 13 2013 04:58 Xzavier wrote:
its fine, all i have to do is show supporting evidence and never try to make my own case on gotard.

On July 13 2013 10:42 Rainbows wrote:
I play exactly the same as scum and town imo.

On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote:
Gotard, who do you want to lynch?

On July 13 2013 19:57 Chromatically wrote:
Why don't you think that Stim is scum?