EPTOn July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote:
The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName.
In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along:
(1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler +
. He's around, but he's not actually affecting the game at all.
And so were about 10 other people yet you seem to like to single me out for this
(2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler +
ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality.
Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW.
(3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler +
Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense.
That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense.
(4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler +
Do you see what I see?
I dont have to explcitly call him scum, my vote said that for me, I left for work and he posted a defense I was satisfied with he gave and outlined reasoning for his actions, others saw exactly what I did and converted to a different target, I advocated a lurker lynch and when we eventually moved towards DI I put my vote on him. This is nothing to do with uncaring about my vote.
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler +
Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever.
(6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy?
Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy).
(A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all.
(B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded:
So what makes me different from Ace who "keeps his opinions close to his chest" am I not allowed the same luxury when I can't tell who is town or scum at all, almost everyone is a null tell due to the sheer amount of lurkers in this game. We could have the entire scum team lurking while we all point fingers around at each other as town and mislynch each other.
Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones
While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler +
The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName.
In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along:
(1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote:
Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update.
-Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults!
-The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow.
-Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage.
Stay tuned for more updates!
Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update.
-Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults!
-The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow.
-Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage.
Stay tuned for more updates!
On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote:
Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen?
Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen?
On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote:
Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good.
Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good.
On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote:
I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid.
I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid.
On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote:
Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic.
As such lets return to some very good points:
Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk
Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk
Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk
Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic.
As such lets return to some very good points:
Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk
Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk
Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk
And so were about 10 other people yet you seem to like to single me out for this
(2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote:
Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you.
Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum.
Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you.
Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum.
ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality.
On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote:
Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all.
Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all.
On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote:
If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind.
If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind.
Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW.
(3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote:
What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion...
Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town.
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Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion...
+ Show Spoiler +
What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion...
Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town.
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Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion...
+ Show Spoiler +
Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo.
On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote:
Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup
Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup
Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense.
That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense.
(4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:
Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment
I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up.
If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea.
I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything.
This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment
I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up.
If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea.
I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything.
Do you see what I see?
- ON doesn't actually think JW is scum
- ON doesn't care at all where his vote is
- ON appears to be contributing, voting, moving his vote, but...if you read these posts they are just air. There's no analysis, there's no nothing. For all these posts about scum and JW and lurkers and everything, ON just wants JW to post a better defense, and maybe wants to vote a lurker.
- ON cares so little about his vote that he drops a vote on a dude for 50 minutes before deciding maybe he should move it to "pressure" someone else
I dont have to explcitly call him scum, my vote said that for me, I left for work and he posted a defense I was satisfied with he gave and outlined reasoning for his actions, others saw exactly what I did and converted to a different target, I advocated a lurker lynch and when we eventually moved towards DI I put my vote on him. This is nothing to do with uncaring about my vote.
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote:
Im in agreement with anyone on this list
Im in agreement with anyone on this list
On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote:
So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread.
If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB
SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again.
Stutters has done absolutely shit all.
ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity.
So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread.
If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB
SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again.
Stutters has done absolutely shit all.
ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity.
Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever.
(6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy?
Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy).
(A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all.
(B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded:
So what makes me different from Ace who "keeps his opinions close to his chest" am I not allowed the same luxury when I can't tell who is town or scum at all, almost everyone is a null tell due to the sheer amount of lurkers in this game. We could have the entire scum team lurking while we all point fingers around at each other as town and mislynch each other.
Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones
While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler +
On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote:
Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility.
In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1.
Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility.
In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1.
On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote:
Think of it this way mattchew:
Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot.
There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team.
Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason.
You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information.
Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch.
Think of it this way mattchew:
Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot.
There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team.
Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason.
You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information.
Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch.
On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote:
I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ
I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ
On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote:
There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something
Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm.
##Vote Eventrees
@Sandro
Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on.
@Generally everyone else
What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront.
There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something
Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm.
##Vote Eventrees
@Sandro
Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on.
@Generally everyone else
What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront.
I doubt scum were among the fastest jumpers if ON is scum. Anything's possible but it feels odd for the scumteam to instantly coordinate a bus after you made your case. I really want to see ON's flip now since his red flip would basically clear my doubts about you at the same time. His recent whining and roleclaim feel clearly scummy as well.
