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TARGET: Dandel Ion is set to be obliterated!
Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in
Nukes can no longer be fired for this phase!
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On July 09 2013 05:32 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, lynching ON is better than lynching Chezinu or Dandel Ion at this point. Dandel Ion is more likely town than scum and we can wait more on Chezinu and his madness.
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Sorry for activity at the moment, life went nuts. Be here all day tomorrow.
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On July 09 2013 06:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Too bad that besides Chezinu i think everyone voting for ON are town.
ALASKASLAM: EXPLAIN YOUR VOTING BEHAVIOUR IMMEDIATELY! I do not see any benefit to town for me to explain that. In the further interest of town, I refuse. I do not see my own survival a more important than doing all I can to benefit town. I will not vote OriginalName, and will vote Vayne. I am sorry, and I'm pretty sure ON will be lynched anyway. Scum are not the only informed folk, and I am not informed, and I'm not making sense so that is all I will say.
Shall we hop on Authority in Vayne? Your a true rebel!
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On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that.
Xat if you were under the gun in the last two hours of a day as either alignment would you do anything to survive? Saying its in panic is completely stupid as
-Town wants to prevent a mislynch
-Scum wants to live
What you are implying with the role claim is not that the claim is scummy but the timing is when the timing is as a matter of fact a completely null-tell.
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TBH, his (alakaslam's) distinct lack of conspiracy theories is really bothering me. Like I think he's being completely honest with his lose shit meters, but there's a distinct difference when he caught heat in NMM LXIII when it was Him v Onegu. In that he semi-resigned to trying to prove that he was town and do shit to convince the town to lynch Onegu. Here's he's not really acting similar.
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On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities.
Here rayn, see this game will teach me how to talk this good.
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geript i think Alaskalam is just dumb. He is far too "cheery" to be scum and his posts are not-so-well-thought-out, which points toward reactionary posting that especially new scum players do not do. Let's just lynch ON, he has still not answered austin's case.
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On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that.
Actually, the roleclaim is perfectly plausible from town. I don't see it be complete scum. The coherence of the claim is what needs to be checked. If it's a lie, it'd have to be water tight rather than organic.
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WTF geript, alakaslam is a matter for another day (like Chezinu). Atm DI is getting lynched...... Although I was disappointed by his sudden disappearance after the ON case came along, at least alakaslam isn't the solution.
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Naw rayn, you don't understand Alakaslam as well as I do. He'd reactive post regardless of alignment imo (but no evidence of that yet). I also don't like the "too cheery to be scum" argument but I can understand it.
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I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious.
That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going.
I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again.
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On July 09 2013 06:12 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote:On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote:
Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that. Xat if you were under the gun in the last two hours of a day as either alignment would you do anything to survive? Saying its in panic is completely stupid as -Town wants to prevent a mislynch -Scum wants to live What you are implying with the role claim is not that the claim is scummy but the timing is when the timing is as a matter of fact a completely null-tell.
Well, the claim itself is questionable as well (quite convenient for it not to be effective until D3). But more importantly I seriously doubt a townie's first reaction would be to roleclaim after someone makes a case on them. Scum, on the other hand, would more easily go into panic with their inherent guilt and do something panicky like that.
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My plane just landed. Someone catch me up on the last 2 hours because I don't have time to read right now and day is ending soon (I also thought day would be over by the time I landed)
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I think he is misinformed rather than "too-well informed". I think the way he hopped on voting me proves that (at least to me it does). MZ could do something like that as scum, but i doubt Alakaslam.
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ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment
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To kill a flower or to kill a name
Which of the two will lead to fame?
Which of the two would be lame?
Forget this Let's hop
Don't want the fun to stop!
Rebel against the Authority!
If you want to be free!
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Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town.
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On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment
Why are you excluding hte possibility of everyone having a role this game?
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On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote:
ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment
It's not what he claimed it's how he claimed. Almost too scummy to be scum.
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On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote:
Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town.
Huh, do you view ON as town?
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