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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:43 Xatalos wrote: Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched. Well he kind of voted Chezinu in the past. Chezinu, Chezinu. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: That seems pretty unlikely to me really. Ace appears to believe what he's saying; what I don't really get is why he felt so strongly about it. Lots of lurkish behavior this game and in plurality lynch people can get killed off with low vote counts. I don't want that to happen so we can do vote analysis. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote: Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here. umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions... okay vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line "Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch." apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked. who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:43 TanGeng wrote: My thought was that there is too much evidence. Even when it was pointed out, johnnywup didn't change. Scum should have a bit more self-consciousness. Then again while we are on the subject of bad play then johnnywup can be just showing bad scum play. A few slips would be more telling. A lot of slips doesn't give as much information. its just a bad post. when a post goes bad it can go bad in a bunch of ways at once but its still just a bad post, i don't agree that it can be too scummy for scum or whatever. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote: Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel. Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok this has been bugging me a little. Who has played with Boson before/ Boson why do you tend not to contribute to conversations taking place and help us out with those and instead follow your own trains of thought and lines of questioning all game? Can you not do both? I'm still lagged behind, and I don't see the purpose of your conversation. You are hinting aggression towards ace with few hours left on the vote deadline, when he is clearly not getting lynched We should be focusing on whether or not we are going through a policy lynch or if we should try to find a better suspect. I don't like a policy lynch and I want to find a better suspect to suggest we lynch. Austin seems like a solid choice, and I am prompting for him to answer before I go balls out. Also, just stfu about chezinu. So much pointless discussion on someone who is so random and hard to read. If he were scum, why wouldn't he also explain his "bad nuke"? I can't make sense from his play and I feel it's just a wasted effort, and thus will not bother with it. I may be dead wrong here, but he is better suited for blue roles (checks and such). I feel austin is the better choice here. Veyne is also good, but I want to save him for later. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote: umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions... okay vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked. who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos ... Wow this is true, that would be a great way for town cred and pushing agenda all in one post! Just one question........ .... What scum role has that power, and why save either townie? Is the cred really worth it? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. read my reply to WoS. I am pushing my own opinions btw and I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. When I say consensus, I don't mean everyone waiting to discuss stuff and sheep each other. I mean consensus via vote count so we have legit wagons to analyze. Not people dying with 3 votes on them in a 20+ player game. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Otherwise here I am on Dandel Ion. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote: umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions... okay vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked. who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos Why is Meapak "way more townish" than me and why would Oatsmaster save me as scum? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching?Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably. Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie. Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch.
We don't know all the roles and rules here, but we DO know that Dude X getting nuked does not mean that Dude X will die, for a number of reasons. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote: As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game". Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself. Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm. Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something. I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day. As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace. I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly. I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_> 
