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Yeah, I think its great to just have an open bracket back. Of course I am with everyone who hates how they have had to wait until the last minute to announce so many details, but oh well. Its a pretty decent (not single-elim, not 64 players) open bracket, which is what everyone was demanding. People should get over it and be happy about it.
The one thing that is an effect of it being announced so late, and I do wonder if it was someone's intention, is that it will make it tougher for international (aka Korean), and average scrub players to attend this late in the game. I will be interested to see if this ends up overall as a good, primarily NA tournament.
Also, I will mention that Aware Gaming is definitely recruiting good players for this and willing to help with some support . So get in touch asap, if you are serious.
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I think Starcraft at this MLG was a last minute budget decision. Atleast that is how it seems to me
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every other mlg event is worse than the last. Its really going downhill hardcore What other major event has one stream? We will be enjoying open bracket via liquidpedia, yahooooo.
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On June 01 2013 00:18 BronzeKnee wrote: There was a time when MLG had 4 streams... it was amazing.
1 stream is a huge disappointment. Not like they sinchronized in a way that allowed to see more content properly that in they only had 1. If they cut downtimes they should be able to show us almost the same.
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MLG is probably focusing more on Cawl of Dooty! Lets hope that some underdog Americans makes some splashes.
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On June 01 2013 00:29 sitromit wrote: This really sucks.
I don't know why people are happy about full open bracket like this. They could have at least had separate group stage for invites and open bracket for sign-ups feeding into a championship bracket like old MLGs. All this is going to give is shitty 1 sided games until the latest rounds and bad players trying to all-in every game hoping they can get a lucky win.
They can't use invites because they may not get WCS points if they do and they have to have an open bracket to get WSC points. With no previous non-invite event this year for HotS, they have no ability to seed people into the groups stage fairly.
Also, MLG has said that running open brackets for SC2 cost a lot with little pay off. It is hard to stream the games with good production and even harder to get them on all done in a reasonable period of time. I am surprised they even have one at this event, personally.
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keep dat perspective. There was almost no starcraft at all.
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1 out of 8 players that show up will get WCS points. That's a pretty high amount given that everyone starts on even footing and my grandma could play if she bought a competitor pass fast enough. I'm worried about the implications of this format. Hopefully it turns out better than what I'm envisioning.
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haha if they show games on a reasonable rate they show as much games with 1 stream than they used to with 4 also if there isnt a good pricepool, means not the top koreans are coming means the only thing that made mlg attractive before is now gone
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On June 01 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 00:29 sitromit wrote: This really sucks.
I don't know why people are happy about full open bracket like this. They could have at least had separate group stage for invites and open bracket for sign-ups feeding into a championship bracket like old MLGs. All this is going to give is shitty 1 sided games until the latest rounds and bad players trying to all-in every game hoping they can get a lucky win. They can't use invites because they may not get WCS points if they do and they have to have an open bracket to get WSC points. With no previous non-invite event this year for HotS, they have no ability to seed people into the groups stage fairly. Also, MLG has said that running open brackets for SC2 cost a lot with little pay off. It is hard to stream the games with good production and even harder to get them on all done in a reasonable period of time. I am surprised they even have one at this event, personally. Actually MLGAdam said on Reddit that you only need to have 25% of the tournament be open bracket (and it can be online) to get WCS points. So the decision to not have groups/invites was an MLG decision.
The prize pool is lowers because, according to Adam, they're shelling out 100k for WCS a few weeks before. I was under the impression Blizzard paid for WCS, though?
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is this where they are going to have the s1 finals for WCS? or is that happening in the NY studio...
I feel like the scaled down event will be more for the "little guys". It will make less top Koreans/EU guys want to come over for it. Meaning it will most likely be shitty games. Oh well at least they gave the open bracket everyone wanted I guess.
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Bleh, double elimination - ,.-
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Not quite sure what to think of this.
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On June 01 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 00:29 sitromit wrote: This really sucks.
I don't know why people are happy about full open bracket like this. They could have at least had separate group stage for invites and open bracket for sign-ups feeding into a championship bracket like old MLGs. All this is going to give is shitty 1 sided games until the latest rounds and bad players trying to all-in every game hoping they can get a lucky win. They can't use invites because they may not get WCS points if they do and they have to have an open bracket to get WSC points. With no previous non-invite event this year for HotS, they have no ability to seed people into the groups stage fairly. Also, MLG has said that running open brackets for SC2 cost a lot with little pay off. It is hard to stream the games with good production and even harder to get them on all done in a reasonable period of time. I am surprised they even have one at this event, personally. They could have used invites if they wanted to, they chose not to. From reddit:
MrMLGAdam
Not true at all. Only 25% of the spots need to be 'open' for Tier 1, and open can be via online qualifiers.
MLG chose to do an Open bracket.
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nice prizepool WCS completely fucked everything up now that it gives WCS points organizers dont even have to put up decent prizepools to attract the best players GJ
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On June 01 2013 00:38 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 00:29 sitromit wrote: This really sucks.
I don't know why people are happy about full open bracket like this. They could have at least had separate group stage for invites and open bracket for sign-ups feeding into a championship bracket like old MLGs. All this is going to give is shitty 1 sided games until the latest rounds and bad players trying to all-in every game hoping they can get a lucky win. They can't use invites because they may not get WCS points if they do and they have to have an open bracket to get WSC points. With no previous non-invite event this year for HotS, they have no ability to seed people into the groups stage fairly. Also, MLG has said that running open brackets for SC2 cost a lot with little pay off. It is hard to stream the games with good production and even harder to get them on all done in a reasonable period of time. I am surprised they even have one at this event, personally. Actually MLGAdam said on Reddit that you only need to have 25% of the tournament be open bracket (and it can be online) to get WCS points. So the decision to not have groups/invites was an MLG decision. The prize pool is lowers because, according to Adam, they're shelling out 100k for WCS a few weeks before. I was under the impression Blizzard paid for WCS, though?
I did not see that, but it makes sense. Blizzard is covering the 100K, but they don't deposit a fat amount of money in to the "MLG account for WCS" and tell them to take it out when necessary. The contract Between Blizzard and MLG likely has a set date when they get paid each season.
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On June 01 2013 00:31 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 00:26 pwei wrote: All this negativity seems to miss the point that they are putting up an open tournament in-addition to what is already happening with WCS. It seems like a good opportunity for lesser players to do well and make a name for themselves. Comparing the prize pool against previous MLGs when WCS didn't even exist doesn't seem like the right way to view things. Nailed it But hey, people are quick to bitch. I'm glad there is an open tournament and people get a chance to qualify and play on the big stage, or at least play against established legends of the game. More Starcraft 2 is a good thing, not a bad thing! People are quick to bitch because if you want to play/see offline SC2 event in USA, it's MLG only. NASL has no plans, IPL is dead. EU has ESL doing killer job with WCS, Dreamhack is also upping their game every event. MLG has no pressure to outdo itself. I'm sure their employees aren't going "meh, that'll do", but it's hard to shake that feeling.
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On June 01 2013 00:39 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 00:37 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 00:29 sitromit wrote: This really sucks.
I don't know why people are happy about full open bracket like this. They could have at least had separate group stage for invites and open bracket for sign-ups feeding into a championship bracket like old MLGs. All this is going to give is shitty 1 sided games until the latest rounds and bad players trying to all-in every game hoping they can get a lucky win. They can't use invites because they may not get WCS points if they do and they have to have an open bracket to get WSC points. With no previous non-invite event this year for HotS, they have no ability to seed people into the groups stage fairly. Also, MLG has said that running open brackets for SC2 cost a lot with little pay off. It is hard to stream the games with good production and even harder to get them on all done in a reasonable period of time. I am surprised they even have one at this event, personally. They could have used invites if they wanted to, they chose not to. From reddit: Show nested quote +MrMLGAdam
Not true at all. Only 25% of the spots need to be 'open' for Tier 1, and open can be via online qualifiers.
MLG chose to do an Open bracket.
I just saw that and I am ok with no invites. I am tired of MLG catering to top players and Kespa by inviting them to events. Its a new game and everyone can struggle through the bracket like everyone else.
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Heh, I don't like it very much, but with the main focus on WCS from Blizzard, I can understand this desicionmaking. I think tournaments like MLG will have to step back a bit, to make sure the WCS system can grow (yes, I like the WCS system now, even with its flaws).
Maybe they will go all out during the WCS Global Finals Season 3. That seems to me a pretty good reason to keep the SC2 sector at MLG events a bit lower.
Remember, MLG is also a big part of WCS, so maybe it isn't cost-effective to host two large tournaments.
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