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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 01 2013 05:01 GMT
#381
jesus you guys complain a lot. WCS is the mainstage right now and tournaments are trying to work around it. We don't need so much hate going around. MLG is trying something, they are doing an open bracket smaller affair as of right now. Personally I think that this is going to be a great idea once they change a few things. Add a couple more streams, get some great players in, and they have a tournament. Also, I feel like the prize pool shouldn't be a worry for us as fans. All we need to do is tune in. Also, we don't need to have arguments about whether destiny was right in this thread, I hate it when naysayers spread disillusionment with something that is going well right now. Seriously, be happy this is happening, just a little while ago, it was much smaller, even with much less competition.
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Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
June 01 2013 05:26 GMT
#382
(Probably) no KESPA players, (probably) no EU players - no reason to watch. At least I won't have to be awake till 6AM like I used to be for some of the MLGs...
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
June 01 2013 06:05 GMT
#383
On June 01 2013 14:01 docvoc wrote:Also, I feel like the prize pool shouldn't be a worry for us as fans. All we need to do is tune in. Also, we don't need to have arguments about whether destiny was right in this thread, I hate it when naysayers spread disillusionment with something that is going well right now. Seriously, be happy this is happening, just a little while ago, it was much smaller, even with much less competition.


1) So we shouldn't care about the status of a tournament at all? Tournaments should just go "yes we are having a tournament" and we should be happy with it?

2) It's only disillusionment if it isn't going well and people don't see that-with both IPL folding and presumably NASL bowing out, alongside a shrinking non-WCS MLG, how do you expect to say that it's going well? When MLG Spring championships 2012 gave more prize money for 1st/2nd/3rd and was only $26,500 off from total prize of a WCS season, with the addition of both MLG Spring Arenas you get $37,300. Oh, and the championship had a 128-person open bracket in addition to the championship groups! :o

3) No.
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aNGryaRchon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States438 Posts
June 01 2013 06:16 GMT
#384
Yeah MLG
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Abominous
Profile Joined March 2013
Croatia1625 Posts
June 01 2013 06:41 GMT
#385
On June 01 2013 14:26 Ammanas wrote:
(Probably) no KESPA players, (probably) no EU players - no reason to watch. At least I won't have to be awake till 6AM like I used to be for some of the MLGs...

Stephano's coming...I can imagine more EU/Koreans are but not sure about the KeSPA's best...
iDaNkS
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)37 Posts
June 01 2013 07:41 GMT
#386
how can you sign up and play at MLG anaheim if its open bracket?
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Chinnro
Profile Joined February 2013
Australia47 Posts
June 01 2013 07:43 GMT
#387
On June 01 2013 14:01 docvoc wrote:
jesus you guys complain a lot. WCS is the mainstage right now and tournaments are trying to work around it. We don't need so much hate going around. MLG is trying something, they are doing an open bracket smaller affair as of right now. Personally I think that this is going to be a great idea once they change a few things. Add a couple more streams, get some great players in, and they have a tournament. Also, I feel like the prize pool shouldn't be a worry for us as fans. All we need to do is tune in. Also, we don't need to have arguments about whether destiny was right in this thread, I hate it when naysayers spread disillusionment with something that is going well right now. Seriously, be happy this is happening, just a little while ago, it was much smaller, even with much less competition.



Going well? C'mon mate, I'm not agreeing with the doomsayers, however, you can't honestly believe that the scene is where it should be only 3 months into hots. I don't know what the solution is, but having a 128 player open bracket $25k tourney with 1 stream only showing a small portion of the games blah blah...you see where this is going? I agree, we should happy hots is at mlg at all! But we shouldn't be happy about the 'niche' we're being squeezed into.
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M.theory
Profile Joined February 2013
United States23 Posts
June 01 2013 08:02 GMT
#388
Oh yay :D Open Bracket!

Sure, MLG could do a much better job of having multiple streams going with such a large pool of players. However, it's also great to see them bring back the open bracket! Everybody should be able to sign up so long as you're in Master's league.
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fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
June 01 2013 08:15 GMT
#389
On June 01 2013 14:26 Ammanas wrote:
(Probably) no KESPA players, (probably) no EU players - no reason to watch. At least I won't have to be awake till 6AM like I used to be for some of the MLGs...


Remember Kespa and MLG have that deal, I don't think MLG would be happy if none of them came
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 01 2013 08:16 GMT
#390
On June 01 2013 16:41 iDaNkS wrote:
how can you sign up and play at MLG anaheim if its open bracket?

Open bracket is composed of people signing up
Refer to my post.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
June 01 2013 08:58 GMT
#391
If they do another "first come first serve" open bracket - like they did in the WCS qualifiers - this will end badly and someone with enough "power" behind him should talk some sense into the MLG organizers ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
regizer239
Profile Joined March 2012
Guam327 Posts
June 01 2013 09:04 GMT
#392
is MLG free to attend?
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
June 01 2013 09:32 GMT
#393
On June 01 2013 18:04 regizer239 wrote:
is MLG free to attend?


No basic tickets are 35$ VIP is 250$
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regizer239
Profile Joined March 2012
Guam327 Posts
June 01 2013 09:53 GMT
#394
On June 01 2013 18:32 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 18:04 regizer239 wrote:
is MLG free to attend?


No basic tickets are 35$ VIP is 250$


Aw, is it usually sold out? Thinking of driving down there
TurnipThrowingPeach
Profile Joined December 2011
United States151 Posts
June 01 2013 10:39 GMT
#395
On June 01 2013 17:16 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 16:41 iDaNkS wrote:
how can you sign up and play at MLG anaheim if its open bracket?

Open bracket is composed of people signing up


It was first come, first serve after giving spots to top priority players first. The remaining competitor passes which were open to the public sold out in less than a min.

Aw, is it usually sold out? Thinking of driving down there


I don't think it was last year. It was packed at times, a lot of people were sitting on the floor. Tickets are $35 online, $50 at the door.
That's what she said.
artrea
Profile Joined March 2011
Latvia3560 Posts
June 01 2013 12:55 GMT
#396
I think one thing we can all agree on is that it would be beneficial to arrange some more streams with foreign partners just like it was done with Dreamhack. I loved switching between empire streams in russian and the english streams.

One stream is just not enough for early stages. Sure the quality of games might not be the best, but entertainment value would be there.

In the worst case scenario provide a 2nd stream without any commentary at all.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 01 2013 13:06 GMT
#397
On June 01 2013 13:50 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 08:03 SCST wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:41 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:25 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:23 Ercster wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:21 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:17 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:17 SCST wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:14 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 01 2013 07:10 SCST wrote:
[quote]

Ad revenue? Haven't you heard of sponsorships man? Hot pockets? Monster? Intel etc? Hell, Redbull even decided last year that they wanted to sponsor an entire SC2 tournament just for themselves.

Could teams afford to pay players nice salaries if SC2 wasn't a profitable industry? Are you trying to say that there's a conspiracy here that Blizzard is propping up every single tournament, or that every single tournament for the last few years has "accidentally" misjudged the return on their investments and is continually producing tournaments while losing money?

My tax professor last year used to work for a company that had not made profit for 13 years straight, and he was down about 130 million dollars. Why did he do it anyway? It was his passion, and he wa sa rich mofo, and could take the hit. From the outside you might just assume he's doing well, since he employs X amount of people, pays them lots, and he himself is filthy rich, but that wouldn't be accurate at all.

Also, not many teams pay their players a "nice" salary.

You have no idea what kind of costs it takes to run a tournament, or how much sponsors give to the organisers. Remember a year or two ago, Incontrol said Day9 was paid 20k to cast a Dreamhack? Can you comprehend what kind of the that is? 20k for a single person that does a single role?


I am astounded that there is more than 1 person on here who thinks SC2 is not profitable.

You are in the FAR minority that thinks it is profitable.

Someone somewhere MUST be making a return on their investments or ESPORTS would be dead by now. There are profits, somewhere. Or have ~10 years of proleague been not profitable?

Korean Esports has been isolated from the rest of the world up until 3ish years ago (SC2 launch), so while they probably were profitable, it doesn't mean that other companies are.


Merely using them as a point. Proleague has been around for 10 years, if the industry wasn't profitable it wouldn't still be here. The starcraft scene would be dead if it wasn't profitable in some way. That's just business. Even in Starcraft II's nearly 3 (?) years of release the professional scene has had plenty of time to die if it wasn't profitable to those involved.

Clearly some companies don't make a profit (RIP IPL) but that doesn't mean SC isn't profitable.


Korean leagues are an entirely separate phenomenon from the boom in foreign tournaments that has accompanied SC2. BW was a national sport in Korea. Not so much in the west.

If you really think the tournaments are recouping tens of millions through ads a d sponsors you're just misinformed. They are financed by investors with the hope of becoming profitable in the future. That hope depends on viewership increasing. We've maxed out at 100k (peak) even after the release of an expansion.

And to be clear, I'm talking only about tournament organizers here, so I shouldn't say no venture in esports is profitable. Though even among teams and players, only a lucky few make money. You think Clarity is making money? Um no, they're operating a team house and their best players (code B koreans) get like 900 viewers max on stream.

And to SCST - this is hardly a new argument I'm making here.


We can both agree then that SC2 is a viable business industry


It's highly questionable bro. EG and Liquid are profitable...who else? You brought up Red Bull - there's a reason they're not doing any more tournaments. I wouldn't invest a dime in this industry lol.


in 45 days, we will know if redbull stick with sc2, or if life will go to any kespa team.
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Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
June 01 2013 13:39 GMT
#398
On June 01 2013 16:43 Chinnro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 14:01 docvoc wrote:
jesus you guys complain a lot. WCS is the mainstage right now and tournaments are trying to work around it. We don't need so much hate going around. MLG is trying something, they are doing an open bracket smaller affair as of right now. Personally I think that this is going to be a great idea once they change a few things. Add a couple more streams, get some great players in, and they have a tournament. Also, I feel like the prize pool shouldn't be a worry for us as fans. All we need to do is tune in. Also, we don't need to have arguments about whether destiny was right in this thread, I hate it when naysayers spread disillusionment with something that is going well right now. Seriously, be happy this is happening, just a little while ago, it was much smaller, even with much less competition.



Going well? C'mon mate, I'm not agreeing with the doomsayers, however, you can't honestly believe that the scene is where it should be only 3 months into hots. I don't know what the solution is, but having a 128 player open bracket $25k tourney with 1 stream only showing a small portion of the games blah blah...you see where this is going? I agree, we should happy hots is at mlg at all! But we shouldn't be happy about the 'niche' we're being squeezed into.


I don't know why we should be happy MLG has HOTS at all. MLG has fucked up WCS NA to the point where I'd rather them just bow out and let NASL take over. They have shown repeatedly that they're happy with the production values of a year ago when ESL/Dreamhack/Ironsquid/fucking HSC and GOMTV regularly shit all over them, and they've done nothing but act like we should be grateful that they're giving us games to watch.

MLG aren't some harbingers of greatness that will save the NA scene or SC2 in general. To say we should be thankful of them is ridiculous. I'll be thankful when they manage to go a tournament without resting on their laurels or half-assing it and acting like we're the assholes for wondering when they will actually keep their promises for once.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 01 2013 14:27 GMT
#399
On June 01 2013 16:43 Chinnro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 14:01 docvoc wrote:
jesus you guys complain a lot. WCS is the mainstage right now and tournaments are trying to work around it. We don't need so much hate going around. MLG is trying something, they are doing an open bracket smaller affair as of right now. Personally I think that this is going to be a great idea once they change a few things. Add a couple more streams, get some great players in, and they have a tournament. Also, I feel like the prize pool shouldn't be a worry for us as fans. All we need to do is tune in. Also, we don't need to have arguments about whether destiny was right in this thread, I hate it when naysayers spread disillusionment with something that is going well right now. Seriously, be happy this is happening, just a little while ago, it was much smaller, even with much less competition.



Going well? C'mon mate, I'm not agreeing with the doomsayers, however, you can't honestly believe that the scene is where it should be only 3 months into hots. I don't know what the solution is, but having a 128 player open bracket $25k tourney with 1 stream only showing a small portion of the games blah blah...you see where this is going? I agree, we should happy hots is at mlg at all! But we shouldn't be happy about the 'niche' we're being squeezed into.

I'm definitely not saying its the best situation ever. But right now, at least in the thread, I'm seeing some of the sc2 is dying and destiny was right, etc. people. I'm not going to say I wouldn't change anything about this, I am going to say that if we keep positive and ask for changes maybe they will come, rather than the bitching that we are seeing. I get the dissatisfaction, but I don't get the bitching; if we are unhappy, rather than complaining or saying sc2 is dying, we should ask them to make changes.
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Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
June 01 2013 16:08 GMT
#400
leenock will show up an win haha.
in all seriousness tho, im gonna wait and see what the final participant list is before ANY judgement.
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