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Moloch, in this post you calling Rainbows scum in a noncommital way (bolded by me). Do you think he is actually scummy for that post?
That was supposed to be a joke at that point. I didn't actually think he was scummy at that point. My original vote for him was a joke as well, since it was based upon him posting a lot early and not having enough time to eat pizza.
But, I've kept my vote on him for a couple reasons. According to this post, he gets very defensive about about being called scum, whereas I interpreted Saraf's comment to not be calling out anyone in particular - just being the way he thought about stuff. (It's possible that I don't feel like anyone's been spammy so far affected how I interpreted it).
I also don't like how he changed his vote from Smancer to someone else to quickly. He gave a reason he thought Smancer was a suspect, then just changed it to Saraf because he got overly defensive (but he had a couple posts in between Saraf labeling him and switching his vote, which makes me suspect that it wasn't a hasty vote-switch caused by emotion)
I'm not certain about anyone, but Rainbows seems like the best bet at the moment.
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So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows.
The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even.
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In my last post, I said he was defensive about being called scum, when he was actually aggressive about someone else calling him townie. I knew what I meant at the time, and I still draw the same conclusion. But it was a mistake in what I typed.
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+ Show Spoiler +Anyone have any questions for me? ^^ I'm significantly happier answering them, as opposed to asking them.
So Jampi - you're against any and all policies whatsoever? I'm sure that one could be found that you agree with, so you clearly only mean a subset of policies. What specifically were you thinking of? (I likely agree with you, just wondering if you had any in mind outside the normal-ish-seeming lurker lynch, etc.)
I think it was reasonable [rainbows' questioning] - at the very least, it's a way to reach out to people that are quiet with a question. I was helped enormously by people asking questions in my first game, (and to be honest, I _still_ really like being asked questions. They really encourage me to post instead of mulling over my own thoughts.)
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Hm. I thought that he was referencing the spammy part because he was the spammiest of the thread up until that point - although it really wasn't very spammy all things considered.
On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote:I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet -
kirby, does that mean you eventually do want to lynch all the lurkers? :l
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Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor.
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Obzy. I assume you still want to ask me the question even if it is spoilered. I didn't a spesific policy in mind, I just think we should hunt scum rather than policy lynch.
Rainbows, if you are here, could you please answear? I want you to be active to get a better feel for your alingment, so that we don't knock on your door without good reasons.
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Hm. Here's a question for everyone - What are your thoughts on giving out townreads? I've seen varied opinions over the past... short while of reading mafia games; but don't necessarily agree with a lot of them. (same with lists - I love lists! But some people hate lists. Although thoughts on lists are easily summarized - if they say a little and act like a lot, bad, if they say a lot and are a lot, np) - -;
Something I did a lot of in the previous game was looking at everyone's opinions of each other - like, if person A considers person B town, and so does C, D, E, F - and nobody considers them mafia, I marked it as being a "safe townread for the town." Whereas the two scum were both seen as scummy by the town as a whole, and the eventual (mis )lynch was a townie whom everybody seemed to be null, leaning null-er on. This wouldn't've been possible without townreads being made available; so again, does anybody have any thoughts?
+ Show Spoiler +Mafia wants to provide as little information as possible. Town wants to be informed to make correct decisions. Townreads get shot for being unlynchable townreads, which I gather is the reason that giving out your townreads could be seen as "bad".. - but is that all that bad, really? After all, it narrows down the lynch pool, one would think. [Personal thoughts ^_^;;]
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Hm. I get the metaphor, + Show Spoiler +although I sort of fail to see how splash damage can come from lurkers, given that in a mafia game a lurker is more like a stop lurker that just never un-stops but you have to eliminate all units of the enemy player because they refuse to gg and this is being stretched too far.
And okay jampi, I agree with being against policy lynches, for the most part.
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If we get all the guys to unburrow, we can see more easily if they're harmless drones or terrifyingly fit skinny lurkers.
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On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote:
So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows.
The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even.
Yea I'm worried about rainbows too, and that's why I haven't taken my vote off him even though I initially did it as a joke. I'm hoping the Euros pick out some interesting tid bits overnight, something I may have missed, so I can change my vote to someone who is actually a skinny. I think Rainbows only looks suspicious because he's been posting a lot, which isn't exactly the best.
@Obzy, yea lurkers should probably be lynched eventually. Probably not right now, but we shouldn't let them get free bys.
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Scum has an easy time giving out townreads, they know who are town. On the other scum have a hard time giving out scumreads, because they are either killing their comrades or they know they are wrong, which makes it hard for them to sound that they really believe the person is scum. You can give out townreads, but if you don't hunt scum I'm going to smack you a lot with the baton of justice.
Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions?
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On April 05 2013 15:19 Obzy wrote:
Hm. Here's a question for everyone - What are your thoughts on giving out townreads?
Something I did a lot of in the previous game was looking at everyone's opinions of each other - like, if person A considers person B town, and so does C, D, E, F - and nobody considers them mafia, I marked it as being a "safe townread for the town."
wut
Let's jump on the bandwagon! Everyone else says so! They can't be lying or pretending to be town! Persons A and B can't possibly be two scums holding hands, and fooling CDEF into joining.
Unless you know someone isn't a skinny, don't trust him. This line of thinking is only going to let the scum herd you.
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On April 05 2013 15:30 jampidampi wrote:
Scum has an easy time giving out townreads, they know who are town. On the other scum have a hard time giving out scumreads, because they are either killing their comrades or they know they are wrong, which makes it hard for them to sound that they really believe the person is scum. You can give out townreads, but if you don't hunt scum I'm going to smack you a lot with the baton of justice.
Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions?
yea, it's almost midnight here, i'm heading to bed. I've also got an eye on Moloch, but not enough to make an argument against him yet.
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Alrighty. Yeah I'm sort of uneasy about a rainbows lynch just because he DID post a lot - I like it when people post a lot ^^ It's much easier to draw a conclusion about them. He seemed to think he was spamming and didn't say an enormous amount of consequence (hence the votes), I'm hoping that tomorrow he'll have the material necessary to post a significant amount about the things being discussed, and being open in his mindset ^^
man i just really hope we don't have lurkers haha i feel like my opinion is bouncing back and forth.
+ Show Spoiler +So if lurkers are bad, and don't post after a few days... we lynch them. But that means that scum could just be posting semi-regularly and we'll kill ourselves. But if we don't lynch lurkers after a few days then we're letting non-contributors get by and scum could just as easily not contribute which is actually worse lol. The only real solution is just to have no lurkers >.< Regardless of whether or not we want to policy or not policy lynch or ignore them or whatever, being active is better for town, in my opinion. And in all likelihood, we will not reach a level of activeness that is "too" spammy in this game. On March 26 2013 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?
Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay! This is a pretty bad idea to spread around this early. Our first concern should be making sure that everyone's active, and not trying to warn people against activity. If things get too spammy, that's a luxury that we can deal with when the time comes. And hell I like 150 page Day 1's. It puts pressure on both scum and town to do additional work, and I'm pretty confident in getting a good lynch under those circumstances. From RED Team's Prize - I can't say much for 150 page day 1s -.- but posting a lot is good, not bad. (I just happened to remember this post ^^)
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Hmm, just like everyone, I am puzzled by Rainbow's peculiar behavior.
That said, I would like a response from Smancer, who went lurker mode after unvoting Rainbows about the state of the game.
On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor.
On April 05 2013 15:22 jrkirby wrote:
If we get all the guys to unburrow, we can see more easily if they're harmless drones or terrifyingly fit skinny lurkers.
I'm not a fan of metaphors, because I don't really understand.
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Fish - I see where you're coming from, but there's no way to know a person isn't mafia, you're just trusting your opinion or the opinions of others. The only way to get those opinions of others is by sharing reads. Even if scum are trying to herd people, keeping track of who is leading lynches is very important - Blazing mentioned it in XXXIX's mafia's QT that because there were only two votes on the day1 vote that mislynched, town wasn't able to draw any meaningful information from it.
If scum are blatantly taking charge and leading the town directly into bad decision making, that should be a signpost to us that town isn't being led very well =P Also, my expectation is more in line that if we all play actively and intelligently, the scum's pointing at townies and calling them mafia will look... dumb and out of place >.>; If everyone in town has a townread on everyone else in town, what can scum do? Also, good night since you're apparently taking off ^^
I'm going to take off as well - I want to go get some dinner, and then going to go to bed unless somebody directs a question at me - I'll check the thread after eating but unless something really sticks out I am just gonna go to sleep lol.
JarJar, Warent, come join us :0
Smancer, Ravens, nobody - share your thoughts when you have time to read and respond ^^ Anybody look good or bad?
See you all tomorrow unless you have a specific question for me when I get back.~
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^ Damnit, that mafia XXXIX, me and virtu goofed and messed it up for town...
On April 05 2013 15:44 Obzy wrote:
Fish - I see where you're coming from, but there's no way to know a person isn't mafia, you're just trusting your opinion or the opinions of others. The only way to get those opinions of others is by sharing reads. Even if scum are trying to herd people, keeping track of who is leading lynches is very important - Blazing mentioned it in XXXIX's mafia's QT that because there were only two votes on the day1 vote that mislynched, town wasn't able to draw any meaningful information from it.
If scum are blatantly taking charge and leading the town directly into bad decision making, that should be a signpost to us that town isn't being led very well =P Also, my expectation is more in line that if we all play actively and intelligently, the scum's pointing at townies and calling them mafia will look... dumb and out of place >.>; If everyone in town has a townread on everyone else in town, what can scum do? Also, good night since you're apparently taking off ^^
I'm going to take off as well - I want to go get some dinner, and then going to go to bed unless somebody directs a question at me - I'll check the thread after eating but unless something really sticks out I am just gonna go to sleep lol.
JarJar, Warent, come join us :0
Smancer, Ravens, nobody - share your thoughts when you have time to read and respond ^^ Anybody look good or bad?
See you all tomorrow unless you have a specific question for me when I get back.~
That scenario isn't perfect, I agree townreads can be useful, t I hope they will all be valid, but a confirmation bias won't be good. Everyone needs scumreads too. I think scumreads will be important than townreads because it'll be important for the votes and the flips.
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On April 05 2013 15:42 nobodywonder wrote:
Hmm, just like everyone, I am puzzled by Rainbow's peculiar behavior.
Does Rainbows behaviour make him scum in your eyes?
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