EPTLast time I checked, there were about double that alive.
Once you've made that realization, come back to me with your genius conclusions about why making a read at this point is utterly useless.
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wherebugsgo
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Last time I checked, there were about double that alive. Once you've made that realization, come back to me with your genius conclusions about why making a read at this point is utterly useless. | ||
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Promethelax
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making a read is never useless, making reads is harder in this environment than it is in a game with a player base playing but making a read is never and will never be useless. | ||
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Morbidius
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Promethelax
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Explain to me how he is the most anti town player in your view. walk me through any part of your thought process. | ||
yamato77
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For shits and giggles I'm going to go back through day 1. I suggest everyone else do the same. | ||
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Promethelax
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I'll join you in a d1 read through. Shall we share all our findings with each other? | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 19 2012 09:35 Stutters695 wrote: Ebwop: thought so, internet sarcasm just isn't my thing. Anyway miller talk is pointless. If someone else rolled miller they should claim and we lynch the scummier of the two, otherwise it's a non issue until later down the line. After a few flips discussion on setup would have more meaning but currently it's pointless. Yamato if you're only making ten posts per cycle or whatever please try to make them higher quality/don't start that until we have stuff to discuss. Okay, so this post is just wrong. I can't decide if it is wrong dumb or wrong scum though. If someone counterclaims we lynch Yamato, not the counter claimer. This is a c9++ set up. On December 19 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Toad is scum, let's kill him, toad is scum, let's kill him, lalala la la laaaaaa ##vote Toadesstern Bugs, would you do me the kindness of explaining this read of Toad, thanks. On December 19 2012 23:24 Eywa- wrote: Well, I was pretty drunk last night as I was out late at the Tavern... As I wander home, I stumbled and fell... A strange figure walked out from the shadows, though I could not make out his face, I dare not show myself as he seemed rather keen on making sure no one was about. I think he might be planning something... I could only guess at this point, but the figure kind of seemed similar to that of debears, I can't say for sure. My head is spinning a little bit now that I think of it, it was a little too much action for me last night. However, I did see sciberbia and iamperfection at the Tavern as well, so I doubt they have anything to do with it. So Eywa-, unless I'm totally delusional you are giving an early town read on Scib and Imp, if you ever grace us with your presence again please inform me as to why you had these reads at this time. I'll still probably string you up but you could help yourself out here. You also had this illogical town read on stutters On December 20 2012 04:25 Eywa- wrote: are you guys scum buddies?Well, I gotta give stutters some brownie points for not starting to fight back and forth for being accused. I think there's a good bet he's town, the case against him isn't strong. Wiggles pushed Zelblade/Vivax as the counter wagons to his own lynch before it was clear that he was getting lynched. Unless this was a planned d1 bus I find Vivax less scummy from my review of d1. Wiggles votes Zel(me) and pushes Vivax. Thoughts, anyone? I'm tired and going to sleep. I'll finish reading d1 tomorrow. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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The sad part is that normally you would think it means that scum are not under pressure, but because of the holiday and the way wiggles died there's no indication that scum are at even that basic level of competence. This game is boring. | ||
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Palmar
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Not to mention I felt like eywa genuinely thought I was scum. I think he is just a bad townie. Prom looks like a townie, so does sciberbia and i've considered morb town since day 1. Yamato has the miller claim going for him. This leaves stutters, vivax, bugs. I would probably like to lynch into vivax or bugs. I have several problems with bugs's play including his pessimism when town has played very well so far, and his insistance to call the scum team weak based on faulty assumption. He has also pushed a terrible lynch idea on day 1 (morb). Back on day 1 he refused to give his town reads for god knows what terrible reason. He called morb out for voting wiggles in a post i thought was pretty townie. He does have the spreadsheet in his defense that has a few good points in it. Idk. I will decide on a lynch tomorrow, but it won't be eywa. | ||
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yamato77
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Only you've done this all game so your excuse can't be Christmas. Prom seems ready to excuse your shitty play on the fact that you do this as either alignment but I am more inclined to lynch you for it. Mind explaining why on Day 1 you were doing basically the same thing Wiggles was? Both of you pushed zelblade. Both of you picked out a second target that was a weak townie, in your case it was Stutters, and then Morbidius. The only thing you didn't do was shit on Palmar. And then once people were all on the Wiggles Wagon, you decided it was time to attack one. On December 21 2012 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: All of his other posts. All the posts that casually mention zelblade being scummy, but the votes go elsewhere. All the posts that do nothing more than summarize the game. As for newbie town/scum, I've generally experienced that newbie townies will participate more than this. On December 21 2012 04:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Don't tell me how to play. There is clearly something wrong with a wiggles lynch when people get away with posts like that. I was fine with killing him, but given some of the reasons (or lack thereof) and not seeing anyone actually even try to defend zelblade, it's clear who is the better lynch among the two. As for morbidius, I'm not going to let anyone get by with such an awful post. Those two posts are particularly telling as to your mindset on day 1. You attack Morbidius solely for where his vote is placed. You admit that you are attacking him for voting Wiggles and not zelblade. You keep talking about how zelblade is the better lynch but your focus in these posts is to get Morbidius off Wiggles. Why would you want to do that if you were "fine with killing him"? Because in reality you're defending Wiggles here, opposing the lynch. Also funny is your characterization of this lynch. You say because the Godfather died "unopposed" (a lie), that means mafia are weak and lurking. You're trying to get town to shift its focus away from the active players (yourself) and onto the lurkers you've been pushing all game. Only I don't buy it. As I've said, mafia WOULD NOT think that lurking is somehow going to win them the game, bad players or not. But they would think getting some easy mislynches on lurkers would. But back to day 1 and your actions around the Wiggles lynch. On December 21 2012 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Those are two contradictory statements. On December 21 2012 04:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Fuck this game, you can all lynch whoever. Wiggles will probably flip town. I'll be back around night. Ragequit. Or is it? Look at the time on those two posts. At the same time Wiggles was making his "I'll flip town" post, you decide to come in and make the same observation. Why are you so opposed to this lynch? The people voting for Wiggles aren't townie enough for you? We had Palmar, Me, Toad, AND Sciberbia for town references to this legitimacy of this lynch but you oppose it based on what? Morb's vote? It just doesn't make any sense from a town perspective. Also, instead of trying to make a defense of Wiggles, you just excuse yourself and leave. Why? If you think Wiggles is town shouldn't you want to convince us? Your only argument against the lynch isn't that Wiggles looks townie, it is that Morbidius doesn't and that somehow makes this a bad lynch. Is this good town play? No, but it is good scum play. I said it at the time, you're just throwing shit at people on a wagon trying to get them to move. Your concern is for where the votes are placed, not the alignment of the person being lynched. Why? Because you already know his alignment and it makes you mad. On December 21 2012 09:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't understand how scum are just dying so easily nowadays. It's making me look bad. Yes it is, bugs, yes it is. ##Unvote ##Vote Wherebugsgo | ||
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On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: I dont think eywa will flip scum. Look at the wording wiggles used back on day 1 to interact withw eywa after his case on me but before wiggles realized he was lynched. "I like your style" etc. Not to mention I felt like eywa genuinely thought I was scum. I think he is just a bad townie. Prom looks like a townie, so does sciberbia and i've considered morb town since day 1. Yamato has the miller claim going for him. Explain this. On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: This leaves stutters, vivax, bugs. I would probably like to lynch into vivax or bugs. I have several problems with bugs's play including his pessimism when town has played very well so far, and his insistance to call the scum team weak based on faulty assumption. How is it faulty? On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: He has also pushed a terrible lynch idea on day 1 (morb). How was morbidius different from almost anyone else on d1? Until the claim, at least. On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: Back on day 1 he refused to give his town reads for god knows what terrible reason. You don't share town reads when you don't have to. On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: He called morb out for voting wiggles in a post i thought was pretty townie. Different opinions. At the time it looked like distancing. On December 27 2012 02:49 Palmar wrote: He does have the spreadsheet in his defense that has a few good points in it. Idk. I will decide on a lynch tomorrow, but it won't be eywa. Nice. Let's keep wasting time, then. On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Buygs you are firmly in the circle of people I would call "not playing". lol. There is nothing to say to this other than to insult you, so I'm not going to bother. On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Only you've done this all game so your excuse can't be Christmas. You argue that I've done "nothing all game" despite the fact that you have access to all of my reads. And you say that I've done that all game despite the fact that I have responded to EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. YOUR. CONCERNS. Not just yours, but everyone else's too. You're just tunneled and you're just bad. You will NEVER change your opinion and I am SURE of this. You, like everyone else in this game who has accused me of being scum, are simply not willing to accept differing perspectives. Not my problem. On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Prom seems ready to excuse your shitty play on the fact that you do this as either alignment but I am more inclined to lynch you for it. Why Prom is willing to "excuse" my play has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you are willing to lynch me simply because you have already assumed I am scum. You have nothing to back up any of your accusations. That's what makes this funny, because you expect me to respond but I can't because there's nothing to respond to. On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Mind explaining why on Day 1 you were doing basically the same thing Wiggles was? Both of you pushed zelblade. Both of you picked out a second target that was a weak townie, in your case it was Stutters, and then Morbidius. The only thing you didn't do was shit on Palmar. Doesn't take a genius to see that zelblade didn't do anything day 1. Or do you have that bad of a memory that you do not remember he was replaced? You accuse me of not playing yet you find me at fault when I am pushing lurkers. That's the only fucking way you can get lurkers to play, threaten them with a lynch. You think that's scummy?!?! Again, this is just indicative of you being tunneled. On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: And then once people were all on the Wiggles Wagon, you decided it was time to attack one. Do you agree or disagree with the notion that Wiggles simply rolled over and died? I've only really seen that once before, and that was last game with Adam. How often do you think scum simply let their godfather die? On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Those two posts are particularly telling as to your mindset on day 1. You attack Morbidius solely for where his vote is placed. You admit that you are attacking him for voting Wiggles and not zelblade. You keep talking about how zelblade is the better lynch but your focus in these posts is to get Morbidius off Wiggles. Why would you want to do that if you were "fine with killing him"? Because in reality you're defending Wiggles here, opposing the lynch. Nope, you're simply misrepresenting my posts now to fit your idea that I am scum with wiggles. I was attacking morbidius for calling zelblade scummy and also not really saying anything new on wiggles. Generally if someone makes such a post on a major bandwagon it means that the person making the post is scum struggling to find an adequate reason to vote someone. It's just a fucking bandwagon vote with barely enough justification to pass. That's what scum try to do-blend in. You find it scummy that I attack him for this? The fuck? On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote: Also funny is your characterization of this lynch. You say because the Godfather died "unopposed" (a lie), WHO OPPOSED IT? Jesus, now you're just trying to change history. WHO FUCKING OPPOSED IT? On December 27 2012 02:54 yamato77 wrote:You're trying to get town to shift its focus away from the active players (yourself) LOL BECAUSE I'M NOT SCUM Holy fucking shit | ||
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yamato77
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Not good enough. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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##vote wherebugsgo This game is not playable as long as town is not willing to accept what I have to say. You didn't even read that, I am 100% sure of that. | ||
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yamato77
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This "woe is me" act is pathetic. If you're good at this game at all you should know better as town than to shit up the thread with your incessant whining. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 27 2012 03:23 yamato77 wrote: Oh what a townie thing to do; vote yourself and complain some more. This "woe is me" act is pathetic. If you're good at this game at all you should know better as town than to shit up the thread with your incessant whining. I am not shitting up the thread. I responded to literally everything you had to say. You proceed to make a one-liner that is further indicative of the fact that you will never change your read on me. So, tell me, what incentive do I have to play anymore? If I'm going to simply get lynched, regardless of what I do, then it is simply better for me to vote myself and get it over with. I am not going to accomplish anything further. You are wrong, and you will not know that you are wrong until I fucking flip town. So, flip me. You will then know you are wrong. That's the only way. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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##vote wherebugsgo no, really. Once I flip town you're basically fucked anyway, since the scum can be anyone. Think about it, you have four major lurkers who have done nothing in more than 72 hours. You have eywa, you have stutters, you have sciberbia, and then you have vivax. Promethelax hasn't done anything beyond being simply active. He even could be scum and literally the only reason he's not considered scum is because following the replacement he was active, unlike the other half of the player base. Morbidius claimed cop and he has done nothing else. He's clearly going to have no impact on the game with his reads and it's even possible he's not town. Then you have Palmar, who has done nothing either. He led a lynch on Wiggles but he's wrong about me despite being in the exact same situation last game. So, tell me, who's scum? | ||
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yamato77
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On December 27 2012 03:26 wherebugsgo wrote: I am not shitting up the thread. I responded to literally everything you had to say. You proceed to make a one-liner that is further indicative of the fact that you will never change your read on me. So, tell me, what incentive do I have to play anymore? If I'm going to simply get lynched, regardless of what I do, then it is simply better for me to vote myself and get it over with. I am not going to accomplish anything further. You are wrong, and you will not know that you are wrong until I fucking flip town. So, flip me. You will then know you are wrong. That's the only way. I am the only vote on you and you've been defended by Promethelax already. Why are you so worried about being lynched? That's literally your biggest concern this game. Only when it becomes apparent that I am suspicious of you do you start making posts that are bigger than a paragraph. Otherwise it is one-liners where you either throw your suspicion on a player or call people stupid. You can call it confirmation bias but I'm tired of reading your posts this game so shape up or ship out. | ||
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yamato77
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On December 27 2012 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote wherebugsgo no, really. Once I flip town you're basically fucked anyway, since the scum can be anyone. Think about it, you have four major lurkers who have done nothing in more than 72 hours. You have eywa, you have stutters, you have sciberbia, and then you have vivax. Promethelax hasn't done anything beyond being simply active. He even could be scum and literally the only reason he's not considered scum is because following the replacement he was active, unlike the other half of the player base. Morbidius claimed cop and he has done nothing else. He's clearly going to have no impact on the game with his reads and it's even possible he's not town. Then you have Palmar, who has done nothing either. He led a lynch on Wiggles but he's wrong about me despite being in the exact same situation last game. So, tell me, who's scum? Oh, this is a gem. You vote for yourself, say you're going to flip town, and then prey on suspicion of EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE GAME all in one post. If they could all be scum why are you so convinced it's one of the lurkers? Why haven't you gone after one of these people AT ANY POINT IN THE GAME? Not to mention you once sided with the logic of there being a lot of basically confirmed town in the game and tried to count yourself among them. But now you're on the chopping block and that doesn't apply anymore? You're not helping your case. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On December 27 2012 03:32 yamato77 wrote: I am the only vote on you and you've been defended by Promethelax already. Why are you so worried about being lynched? That's literally your biggest concern this game. Only when it becomes apparent that I am suspicious of you do you start making posts that are bigger than a paragraph. Otherwise it is one-liners where you either throw your suspicion on a player or call people stupid. You can call it confirmation bias but I'm tired of reading your posts this game so shape up or ship out. I call it confirmation bias because that's what it is. Lol. Promethelax might have "defended' me but with Palmar is willing to lynch me. If Palmar is willing to lynch me I am dead today. There's no ifs ands or buts about that. Not only that, but even if we kill someone else today I don't want to fuck around with this shit anymore. It's becoming a waste of my time. I'm doing nothing but defending myself because there is nothing else to do. The more I read, the less sure I become of my reads. There are plenty of reasons to doubt myself on many of the things I've thought given that there are literally no players posting except for myself, you, and Promethelax. How do you play a mafia game when there are more inactives than actives? How do you play the game when you can't read people because they are afk? Since you're so good at this game I'd love you to tell me, but clearly you have no interest in that either, at least until I die. So go ahead and kill me, then call me bad afterward. It's what you're going to do anyway. | ||
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