EPTso, Stutters, who is scum?
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Promethelax
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so, Stutters, who is scum? | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 27 2012 15:02 Promethelax wrote: besides JK replacing doc and miller replacing innocent child is this a standard c9++ set-up? What do you mean 'standard c9++ setup'? It is c9++ with all of the changes I mentioned in the OP. | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 27 2012 15:07 Promethelax wrote: what happens to the single shots? Are they VT'd? Or given full roles? Any unavailable roles are rerolled after the setup is generated. For example: If I rolled CDDTTTT, the C and one of the D's would be rerolled. Lets say the C is rerolled into an M, and the D rolls a D again. The new setup would be DDMTTTT. But the D is still extraneous, so it gets rerolled again. Lets say it rolls into a T this time. The final setup would be DMTTTTT. | ||
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Stutters695
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On December 27 2012 15:04 Promethelax wrote: wow stutts, I just reread that post about six times trying to figure out how 7-2=2. so, Stutters, who is scum? Read my long post for the full explanation but I'd like to see vivax respond, but the inconsistencies in his methodology compared to ideals and his focus on my quotes/actions out of context feels like he's trying for another "easy" lynch where if he's wrong he can just say that since I was inactive earlier he couldn't really know. I feel like it's either vivax or bugs+ eywa currently for the reasons in that post. | ||
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Morbidius
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On December 27 2012 14:29 yamato77 wrote: I'm here. If you have even the slightest scum read on Bugs you shouldn't vote Eywa. If by some black magic you have a town read on Bugs you should probably go with his Stutters proposal. Bugs best lynch. If he is this anti-town every game I suggest policy lynching him D1 no matter what. Take a serious look at his posting and tell me you think this guy is good for town. This is pretty much my reasoning for the bugs lynch, people are saying he's like this every game as if it helped town in the slightest. | ||
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Promethelax
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Morb, you have failed to contribute anything meaningful to this game. Start doing that. | ||
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Stutters695
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I know I'm town. Given that we've seen jk, sk, gf that means t must be = 1 or 5. If it was 5, that would mean only d and m could be rolled, thus vig and cop would be lying (but only 1 extra scum means this isn't true). Thus t=1. Since we now know that roles are only available in certain ways (d=1,m=1, v=2, c=2) that means that the only setup possible must be CCMDVVT so Palmar, yamato, and morb are confirmed 100% and mafia must have an RB (explained n2 w/ aggressive jk and obviously stopping cop. It looks like iamp jk'd Palmar night 1 so either scum targeted bugs or he lied about getting rb'd which I could see as a possibility. We're in a good position though because if scum want to RB morb that means when they shoot Palmar now he can vig one of the unconfirmeds. It would put us at MYLO (4-2) however we will have 2 confirmed town and at a 50-50 chance if we went random without analysis. I'll leave that judgement up to Palmar though depending on how he feels about his reads since it is still a risk. | ||
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Morbidius
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Stutters695
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Stutters695
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On December 27 2012 16:09 Promethelax wrote: Can you comment on Wiggles' interaction with all three of Bugs, Vivax and Eywa-? What do you make of the flipped scum's conversation with the three guys you suspect? Sure thing. I'll do that tomorrow around 3est though. It's time for bed. I've already stayed up way too late. | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 27 2012 16:21 Morbidius wrote: One of the interactions I'm even more interested about is the Bugs-Eywa one. stop being useless. Show me what you are interested in between them and explain how it helps you show that one, the other or both are scum. Also: interactions with confirmed scum are the best to look at. Yes Stutters, you see what I was getting at. Now if there are any other blues who want to claim that would be nice, we'd have some some groups to lynch into. | ||
yamato77
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I don't think this is town bugs in the first place. Prom, both you and I have made cases against him, Palmar is obviously of the same opinion. Is he really only "slightly scummy"? His contributions to town have actually been negative this game. He would have had us move off the lynch on Wiggles day 1. He would have initially had us lynch Morbidius day 2 before the debears claim. Earlier today he voted for Eywa. Why? Because he thought we would all coast to the flip today. Now he's pushing Stutters, a person I do not have a scum read on. When does he decide to make this push? After I have already voted for him and told him he's been anti-town the whole game and pointed out his pathetic attempts at scum hunting. When has he done ANYTHING substantial this game at all? When already under fire. His play is completely focused on survival. I mean, just look at this post: On December 27 2012 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote wherebugsgo no, really. Once I flip town you're basically fucked anyway, since the scum can be anyone. Think about it, you have four major lurkers who have done nothing in more than 72 hours. You have eywa, you have stutters, you have sciberbia, and then you have vivax. Promethelax hasn't done anything beyond being simply active. He even could be scum and literally the only reason he's not considered scum is because following the replacement he was active, unlike the other half of the player base. Morbidius claimed cop and he has done nothing else. He's clearly going to have no impact on the game with his reads and it's even possible he's not town. Then you have Palmar, who has done nothing either. He led a lynch on Wiggles but he's wrong about me despite being in the exact same situation last game. So, tell me, who's scum? Does that look like townie defense to you? Who is this post aimed at? Me. I'm the only one he doesn't mention and he calls everyone else in the game but himself suspicious. He's preying on what he knows to be a town trait, absolute and incurable paranoia. And why? Does he really think this stuff is all true? No, he has followed our confirmed town logic on more than one occasion. So why make the post? He's attacking what he hopes I fear in this situation, lynching a town player and then being left with nowhere to go. He isn't trying to solve the game or offer up a true defense of himself, he's just trying to keep himself from getting lynched. That is all a scum CAN do in this situation because they know they're fucked when town has this much confidence in its members and enough strong townies to pick out the bad seeds among who is left. The simplest explanation for his entire play this game is that he's scum. I kept asking myself, why would bugs be so negative this game when we are in such a good position? Surely he realizes day 1 godfather lynch and day 2 SK lynch put town way ahead. Why would he not want to contribute something meaningful to town instead of just shitting on everyone else at every turn? Because he isn't town. He has no reason to be happy about the state of the game because he knows he is losing, and it is showing in the language of his posts and his overall demeanor. His defense of himself and the case on Stutters reek of desperation. He is only considering his own survival and he doesn't honestly care who we lynch as long as it isn't him. Isn't the evidence also there in the post I quoted? He wants me to be suspicious of everyone BUT him, and he never offers up the idea that I have been lying the whole game and am actually scum because he knows it isn't true. His post implies knowledge that I am town and that getting me to move my vote and my focus away from him is of paramount importance. He doesn't care where I go from there. I don't understand how this is town play. He hasn't given a shit who we lynched so far. His biggest post before me telling him that he is full of shit was a meta case on Zelblade day 1. He didn't even end up voting for zelblade, and as I pointed out, didn't even try to actually defend Wiggles or offer up any reason for not voting for him other than the fact that some of the votes looked "shady". Day 2 his largest contribution to town was to tell everyone that they were idiots and he was pissed that people suspected him. Like I said, if this is his town play I would lynch him every game for being scum. I don't think he gets any townier or more cooperative from here. Let's lynch him. | ||
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Promethelax
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##Unvote ##Vote: Bugs | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 27 2012 16:12 Promethelax wrote: What happens if you roll VV versus if you roll V? Would there be two 1-shot viggis? Or one? One. The second V would be rerolled. V's follow the rules for doctors, except for being one shot (so 3 Vs would be two 1-shot vigs, just like 3 Ds would be 2 doctors) | ||
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yamato77
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On December 27 2012 17:01 Promethelax wrote: you know what, I'm not totally convinced. I am convinced enough that I am comfortable voting Bugs until he provides a viable defense though. Bugs, my vote is not set in stone; convince me to vote otherwise. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bugs What about the things I have said so far have and have not been convincing? | ||
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Promethelax
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M : yamato CC : Morb D : Iamp V : Palmar which means we have more blues because we have to have a one T set up (the only one with RB, GF and SK) if all these claims are true we have to have a roleblocker since one more M would give us a mason and no miller, a third C would be re-rolled as would a second D and a second V. The CC cannot be fake because that would give us a TTTT set up which has no GF or SK If only one of the blue claims is fake we would have a TTT set up which has no GF If one of Yam/Palmar is lying and so is Morb we'd be at TTTTT which is a two scum roll and impossible (because we couldn't have to liars left) Conclusion. We should have a Roleblocker. But the claimed Roleblocks only make sense with a scum roleblocker because the claimed cop has been blocked every night. So the town roleblocker has not sent in roleblocks. The only possible reason for this is lack of confidence. Town Roleblocker, please claim. It will put a lot of people in the confirmed town territory. The scum team is three man and their remaining roles are Goon and Roleblocker. | ||
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Promethelax
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On December 27 2012 17:14 yamato77 wrote: What about the things I have said so far have and have not been convincing? its Bugs. What you have shown is Bugs play, but terrible bugs play. | ||
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