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Palmar
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let's lynch vivax. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Yeah, he hasn't done much since, and certainly it's possible, but the simpler explanation is that he is town. If we are to believe the claims we have only vivax, stutters, and eywa to lynch. I don't feel like vivax is as scummy as the other two. I feel more confident about stutters over eywa today. Also, I actually find it strange that stutters is hesitant to vote me. When I've been under pressure to be lynched as town, the hesitant ones are usually scum. The ones who either straight up defend me or straight up attack me tend to be town. That goes along with the rest of my reads. It makes sense in context, since if scum know they are killing a townie they will be very hesitant to take a side. | ||
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On December 27 2012 23:02 Palmar wrote: read the analysis on the setup bugs, it's in fact impossible that I'm lying unless you believe I'm scum, and some random townie asshole is lying about his role too. You can honestly consider me, morb, yamato all confirmed. I already independently did setup analysis, that's why I never doubted any of the claims. | ||
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On December 27 2012 23:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I already independently did setup analysis, that's why I never doubted any of the claims. If you did On December 27 2012 22:51 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar is not confirmed but it's very unlikely he's scum given that he pushed Wiggles so hard day 1. It's also unlikely he would simply nonchalantly claim vig as scum. Yeah, he hasn't done much since, and certainly it's possible, but the simpler explanation is that he is town. This doesn't make sense, since I _cannot_ be scum, unless someone counterclaims the vigilante. | ||
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There are only 2 roleblock claims. If there are only two roleblock claims where is the third roleblock? | ||
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I use a modified one. Mine does not look like that, and I gave mine to marv. If he's using that, then it's a 2T setup most likely. | ||
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Palmar
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Is the setup we're playing this one: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++, with only the modifications mentioned here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17258403 and as answered by you in various places in the thread? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Instead of being on every odd number of Ts it's on the evens. So 0T, 2T, 4T, 6T. The original c9++ puts it on the odd Ts: 1T, 3T, 5T, 7T. | ||
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Just to humour you, though: just look at any of his posts in which he makes a vote or accusation. It's very bold and I don't think scum would make posts like that. Either Vivax is town or he's been playing a good game as scum. Literally the only thing I can find to hold against Vivax is his late vote against Wiggles. Everything else looks fine. On December 27 2012 19:44 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote: I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond. Where did you say that you missed his questions to me? The questions: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote: And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote: @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote: No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post. You see where I'm coming from with calling you a liar?Or maybe you just can't express yourself properly, given that you are speaking of "the other two". Tell me, what were the other two? + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 10:46 Stutters695 wrote: There was nothing to post about relating to you at that point. I asked my question and any other post would have essentially been a rehash of that qurstion in regards to my interaction with you. I'm only addressing this because I'm still on my phone and making cases is fucking hard when there aren't tabs to check. I'll have actual reads when I get home but I don't see how me providing you with more is a bad thing. Suddenly, Wiggles. A day after he promised us reads. Did he give us his reads when he promised them? No Did I give you my read when I promised it? yes What am I scummy for according to stutters? My read on Wiggles I promised. What is he scummy for according to me? Lying multiple times. Voting for Wiggles "to avoid a modkill" when he never had interest in him. And after the Wiggles lynch?What does he post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487¤tpage=31#618 OH SHIT. HE POSTS ABOUT ME AND MORB BEING HIS SCUMREADS. DOESN'T MENTION WIGGLES ONCE. Did he give a fuck about us way before the lynch? Yes. Did he give a fuck about us just before the lynch? No. Did he give a fuck about us right after the lynch? Yes. We have to kill stutters today.Or Eywa, hell, even sciberbia, that guy comes into the thread once every 1000 years, just before the next phase ends. The only things keeping him afloat are his somewhat good reads. There's no fucking reason to let people lurk like that. ##Unvote ##Vote stutters695 I don't see where this bandwagon on Bugs is coming from. He might not be the towniest by behaviour right now, but he answered all your questions. Meanwhile, you give Eywa, a lurking troll, all the slack he needs to continue playing like he did. Palmar should take a deep breath and start again, from Day 1, and then meditate about why he thinks Eywa is town. Look at this post. He strongly attacks stutters and he bases it on concrete evidence. He clearly went into the thread and found instances of stutters not holding up promises that he made (something scum very often do). It's in beginner guides everywhere: if someone promises something, watch them and make sure they actually come forth with it. If I remember correctly, Ver is fairly fond of using this method to find scum. Vivax, IIRC, also tried to use the kenpachi rule to catch someone. Stutters kind of commented on it, and Vivax's comments that came afterward were some of the basis for my early townread on him. He later accused me of being scum because I was posting too many quotations with very little justification. I obviously disagreed but I found this to be very indicative of him being town. I just don't see very many scum who are willing to be so confrontational on day 1. Scum don't know what town will do that early in the game, so why make enemies? It makes you an easier lynch later. Look at this post: On December 20 2012 05:51 Vivax wrote: Fun game my ass. That case could be called CTRL-C CTRL-V spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler; oh look he's scum, also, you're dumb. Then he speaks of a town read on scruburbia and immediately calls it back in the next post. Don't be fooled by this useless bs. Zelblade could have posted this meta on his own. I only see that his first post about Zel was about him suspecting Eywa, and that bugs suddenly makes a case on him based on some meta he doesn't even care to explain. You really think scum would be so confrontational? There's more of this here: On December 21 2012 06:18 Vivax wrote: Sorry for being scummy for calling out scummy play. There are 3 players out there being lurky and hard to read (stutters, Bugs, . I'm getting shat on by you for trying to make them post more, cause there are smartasses like you who think one should simply join the earliest wagon available and ignore everything else. You will soon find out I'm not your type of player, writing useless summary posts no one is going to comment on, like this one: Now say to my face that this post has ANY use whatsoever for scumhunting. Anyway, I'll take a look at this Wiggles bandwagon and try to decide who to drop my vote on. It was my last uni day before Christmas and I'm fucking tired, so don't expect some lengthy analysis on my choice.This Saturday I'll be travelling to Austria, so I will post less, if not anything at all during that day. Note too how he continues to push his earlier reads, particularly on stutters and me, something I don't often find scum doing. So again, either he is incredibly good at masking his intentions, or he's town. | ||
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