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yamato77
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On December 27 2012 17:26 Promethelax wrote: its Bugs. What you have shown is Bugs play, but terrible bugs play. Elaborate beyond "it's Bugs." That's basically what you've said all game. What about the post changes your mind? | ||
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Promethelax
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What changed is that I decided pressuring Bugs to do something townie and useful would be a much better use of my vote than leaving it on Eywa- and I am not unwilling to lynch Bugs if he doesn't respond to the pressure of being on the chopping block. It also helped that the people voting for Bugs are all town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 27 2012 17:25 Promethelax wrote: oooh interesting. What we have claimed is M : yamato CC : Morb D : Iamp V : Palmar which means we have more blues because we have to have a one T set up (the only one with RB, GF and SK) if all these claims are true we have to have a roleblocker since one more M would give us a mason and no miller, a third C would be re-rolled as would a second D and a second V. The CC cannot be fake because that would give us a TTTT set up which has no GF or SK If only one of the blue claims is fake we would have a TTT set up which has no GF If one of Yam/Palmar is lying and so is Morb we'd be at TTTTT which is a two scum roll and impossible (because we couldn't have to liars left) Conclusion. We should have a Roleblocker. But the claimed Roleblocks only make sense with a scum roleblocker because the claimed cop has been blocked every night. So the town roleblocker has not sent in roleblocks. The only possible reason for this is lack of confidence. Town Roleblocker, please claim. It will put a lot of people in the confirmed town territory. The scum team is three man and their remaining roles are Goon and Roleblocker. I don't even know what this post is about but it looks interesting. | ||
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Palmar
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Right so what you're getting at is this: There is a cop so 2 out of the 7 rolls must be C There is a vigilante so 1 out of the 7 rolls must be V There is a Jailkeeper (confirmed) so 1 roll must be D There is a miller, so 1 out of the 7 rolls must be M So we know that if all roleclaims are true, we must have the following roll for the game: CCDVMTT Which should give us, according to the mafiascum wiki: TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather However this does not seem to be the case, as we know we have both a serial killer and a godfather. (confirmed). And due to the fact 2 people have to be lying to get to a TTTTT setup, when in that case only 1 anti-town role is left, we must know that's not an option, so that leaves only one setup possibility: T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) So this means one of the T's is something else. It cannot be a C, because that would be rerolled. It cannot be a D, because that would be rerolled. It cannot be an M, because then we'd have a mason, not a miller. It cannot be a V, because the second V would be rerolled. It must thus be a B. [b]Hey host guy, if you roll a VV, will you reroll one V, or do you just make the VV a single-shot vig anyway?[b] Also if we have a town roleblocker, just claim it, there is really no reason not to. | ||
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Palmar
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sciberbia - No Claim wherebugsgo - No Claim Morbidius - Claims Cop Stutters695 - No Claim - But this post seems to indicate he hasn't got a role. Vivax - Claims Vanilla Town yamato77 - Claims Miller Palmar - Claims Vigilante Eywa- - No Claim This means that sciberbia, Bugs, Stutters or Eywa- must be the town roleblocker. Three of those people actually could end up on the chopping block. Stutters seems to not be it, so... who is it? | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar Morbidius [green]yamato77 sciberbia Promethelax[green] -------------- Eywa- wherebugsgo Stutters695 Vivax To be perfectly honest, Stutters doesn't look like scum to me. So we can lynch into the other three. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Let's just kill bugs ##Vote wherebugsgo | ||
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Vivax
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On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote: I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond. Where did you say that you missed his questions to me? The questions: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote: And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote: @vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that? On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote: No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post. You see where I'm coming from with calling you a liar?Or maybe you just can't express yourself properly, given that you are speaking of "the other two". Tell me, what were the other two? + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 10:46 Stutters695 wrote: There was nothing to post about relating to you at that point. I asked my question and any other post would have essentially been a rehash of that qurstion in regards to my interaction with you. I'm only addressing this because I'm still on my phone and making cases is fucking hard when there aren't tabs to check. I'll have actual reads when I get home but I don't see how me providing you with more is a bad thing. On December 21 2012 06:34 Stutters695 wrote: I'll be back home in a couple of hours and I'll give you guys all of my thoughts, answer any questions and the like. In the meantime to avoid a modkill: ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles Suddenly, Wiggles. A day after he promised us reads. Did he give us his reads when he promised them? No Did I give you my read when I promised it? yes What am I scummy for according to stutters? My read on Wiggles I promised. What is he scummy for according to me? Lying multiple times. Voting for Wiggles "to avoid a modkill" when he never had interest in him. And after the Wiggles lynch?What does he post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487¤tpage=31#618 OH SHIT. HE POSTS ABOUT ME AND MORB BEING HIS SCUMREADS. DOESN'T MENTION WIGGLES ONCE. Did he give a fuck about us way before the lynch? Yes. Did he give a fuck about us just before the lynch? No. Did he give a fuck about us right after the lynch? Yes. We have to kill stutters today.Or Eywa, hell, even sciberbia, that guy comes into the thread once every 1000 years, just before the next phase ends. The only things keeping him afloat are his somewhat good reads. There's no fucking reason to let people lurk like that. ##Unvote ##Vote stutters695 I don't see where this bandwagon on Bugs is coming from. He might not be the towniest by behaviour right now, but he answered all your questions. Meanwhile, you give Eywa, a lurking troll, all the slack he needs to continue playing like he did. Palmar should take a deep breath and start again, from Day 1, and then meditate about why he thinks Eywa is town. | ||
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Palmar
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Vivax
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Furry detective Palmar the bear strikes again. | ||
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Vivax
21972 Posts
Marv tried to keep players like Bluelightz and grush alive cause he knew they'd be their human shields at LYLO. First of all no one could read them, secondly, they trolled or/and lurked, third, they couldn't find scum if their life depended on it. Palmar is doing the same with stutters and Eywa. We should consider him being scum if he stays alive past a certain point, he prefers to go after active players who try to scumhunt and is more lurky than his usual self I've witnessed. I'm starting to wonder if his shot claimed on me was just trickery. He claims the shot -> scum roleblocks me -> I'm alive, JK dies, I think I have been saved from Palmar. In truth, we don't know who has been jailed or roleblocked, and Palmar can say that he can't prove he's vigi anymore. But it would mean that the JK roleblocked Morbidius? This is the thing I'd find strange about it. We should still consider this option or people may think of Palmar as confirmed town until it's too late. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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On December 27 2012 20:06 Vivax wrote: Palmar reminds me of scum marv last game. Marv tried to keep players like Bluelightz and grush alive cause he knew they'd be their human shields at LYLO. Palmar is doing the same with stutters and Eywa. Did you just screw up? You are trying to kill stutters, yet you consider him a viable target for scum to keep alive into lylo, which means you think/know he's town. ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax | ||
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Vivax
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I'm not an expert on setups, but how can we be sure you are really a vigi since that's one of your premises? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
You screwed up, time to lynch. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On December 27 2012 20:18 Vivax wrote: Cause it's more likely one of them is scum than that you are, but you are closing the distance. I'd still hit one of them first cause scum Palmar hardly survives a game anyway. I'm not an expert on setups, but how can we be sure you are really a vigi since that's one of your premises? Prom and I both explained why I can't be lying. Spend some time figuring it out. | ||
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Vivax
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I can't know for certain who is scum, you smartass. I just know you are trying to cover inactive players, and the version where you are scum is a theory valid like the other where the lurkers are. Your behaviour sure gave me the impression you could be. You were going for a version with a scum Bugs, which I just couldn't buy, it looked like you were policy lynching him cause you didn't like his answers. | ||
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