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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 27 2012 15:04 GMT
#1301
On December 27 2012 19:44 Vivax wrote:
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On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
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On December 20 2012 04:41 Vivax wrote:
On December 20 2012 04:22 Stutters695 wrote:

So because I asked a question after you went to bed and didn't rehash it throughout the night until I got an answer I'm a dummy. If I post about you all night I'll be accused of posting fluff again and thus you'll think I'm scum. I hadn't forgotten about you, this is the first post I've gotten time to do since I just got off work. It seems to me like you want me to be scum more than you're trying to find scum.


Is this your defence?You post WIFOM to justify yourself for not posting?
It's not about you not posting ABOUT me, it's about you not responding to the points you're accused of: Namely ignoring debears questions directed at me (or not reading the thread), and quickly changing focus to Morbidius when pressured.


I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond.



Where did you say that you missed his questions to me?


The questions:


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On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote:

And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has?


On December 19 2012 12:26 Stutters695 wrote:

@vivax why claim vt so early? What are you hoping to achieve for the town by doing that?



On December 19 2012 13:57 Stutters695 wrote:

No one has asked Vivax why he posted it directly. The only thing even really related to it is a comment about a Kenpachi trap(whatever that is) and your vote and him responding with "maybe later." I can assume why he did that, but I want to hear what he says. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

The other two are my fault, posting from a phone is a bitch, much harder to double check when I post.



You see where I'm coming from with calling you a liar?Or maybe you just can't express yourself properly, given that you are speaking of "the other two". Tell me, what were the other two?

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On December 20 2012 10:46 Stutters695 wrote:
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On December 20 2012 06:17 Vivax wrote:
On December 20 2012 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
On December 20 2012 04:41 Vivax wrote:
On December 20 2012 04:22 Stutters695 wrote:

So because I asked a question after you went to bed and didn't rehash it throughout the night until I got an answer I'm a dummy. If I post about you all night I'll be accused of posting fluff again and thus you'll think I'm scum. I hadn't forgotten about you, this is the first post I've gotten time to do since I just got off work. It seems to me like you want me to be scum more than you're trying to find scum.


Is this your defence?You post WIFOM to justify yourself for not posting?
It's not about you not posting ABOUT me, it's about you not responding to the points you're accused of: Namely ignoring debears questions directed at me (or not reading the thread), and quickly changing focus to Morbidius when pressured.


I said I missed his questions to you; I can't do shit about that now. Judge me on that ask you like. Don't put words in my mouth, I said nothing about posting frequency being related to you not being online. I said that you're holding me to a standard that means I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. I explained why I "ignored" you because you said you were going to bed, thus there was zero point in repeatedly posting about it instead of moving on until you actually had time to respond.


I think it's weird that you don't want to post about people when they aren't in the thread, this isn't a chatroom, so I'll treat this as a bad excuse, so much for your judge me as you like.

What is your opinion on Morbidius now? Doesn't look like you bother to scumhunt as much as you bother defending yourself.


There was nothing to post about relating to you at that point. I asked my question and any other post would have essentially been a rehash of that qurstion in regards to my interaction with you. I'm only addressing this because I'm still on my phone and making cases is fucking hard when there aren't tabs to check. I'll have actual reads when I get home but I don't see how me providing you with more is a bad thing.



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On December 21 2012 06:34 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll be back home in a couple of hours and I'll give you guys all of my thoughts, answer any questions and the like. In the meantime to avoid a modkill:

##Vote: Mr. Wiggles


Suddenly, Wiggles. A day after he promised us reads.
Did he give us his reads when he promised them? No
Did I give you my read when I promised it? yes

What am I scummy for according to stutters? My read on Wiggles I promised.
What is he scummy for according to me? Lying multiple times. Voting for Wiggles "to avoid a modkill" when he never had interest in him.

And after the Wiggles lynch?What does he post?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487&currentpage=31#618

OH SHIT. HE POSTS ABOUT ME AND MORB BEING HIS SCUMREADS. DOESN'T MENTION WIGGLES ONCE.
Did he give a fuck about us way before the lynch? Yes.
Did he give a fuck about us just before the lynch? No.
Did he give a fuck about us right after the lynch? Yes.

We have to kill stutters today.Or Eywa, hell, even sciberbia, that guy comes into the thread once every 1000 years, just before the next phase ends. The only things keeping him afloat are his somewhat good reads. There's no fucking reason to let people lurk like that.


##Unvote
##Vote stutters695


I don't see where this bandwagon on Bugs is coming from. He might not be the towniest by behaviour right now, but he answered all your questions.
Meanwhile, you give Eywa, a lurking troll, all the slack he needs to continue playing like he did.
Palmar should take a deep breath and start again, from Day 1, and then meditate about why he thinks Eywa is town.


Phone post so bear with me, I'm on my way to work. Again you're taking me out of context. If you didn't modify that quote to remove the nested ones it was blatantly obvious debears and I were talking about my questions to you, Palmar and Wiggles. The other two were obviously Palmar and Wiggles, but you'd know that if you actually read my posts.

Again, you're misrepresenting my case against you too. It isn't that you posted a read on Wiggles, not was my vote on Wiggles anything but to avoid a modkill. I'll be the first one to tell you I was mostly inactive d1&2. You're scummy because you continually are pushing cases on me (by all accounts an easy lynch until last night when I actually started having time to post) with quotes taken out of context that aren't trueto what you're claiming.

Back to your vote on Wiggles though, it isn't that you voted him, it's that you claimed you wrote a post about it then just didn't post it. What purpose does withholding that info serve? Scared we might get a read on you? Seems more likely each post you make.

[B]##unvote
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 27 2012 15:07 GMT
#1302
Ebwop:
##unvote
##Vote: vivax


I'm still open to other options, but this latest post screams scum to me.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 27 2012 15:10 GMT
#1303
really Palmar?

Stutters literally does nothing but post when he's under attack. He had no reason to post until I made that attack yesterday. Suddenly, he's in the thread!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 15:12 GMT
#1304
yeah he's supertowny, the model citizen. Just like morb before him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 15:14 GMT
#1305
anyway, where the fuck is Eywa-. If that guy is town he's one of the biggest assholes I've played with. Trolls, then goes afk.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 15:33 GMT
#1306
Stutters what's your role?
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 27 2012 15:35 GMT
#1307
On December 28 2012 00:12 Palmar wrote:
yeah he's supertowny, the model citizen. Just like morb before him.


you mind explaining any of your reads?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 15:36 GMT
#1308
I don't have to I'm confirmed town.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 15:36 GMT
#1309
if stutters is scum who is the other scum bugs?
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 27 2012 16:30 GMT
#1310
I'm not going to bother playing if you're not going to bother playing.

Sorry, just kill me if you don't feel like playing the game. I don't want to play either.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22018 Posts
December 27 2012 16:33 GMT
#1311
On December 28 2012 00:04 Stutters695 wrote:

Phone post so bear with me, I'm on my way to work. Again you're taking me out of context. If you didn't modify that quote to remove the nested ones it was blatantly obvious debears and I were talking about my questions to you, Palmar and Wiggles. The other two were obviously Palmar and Wiggles, but you'd know that if you actually read my posts.


It isn't obvious what "the other two were" and that's what makes it obvious you can't express yourself properly. I was actually expecting that you were talking about "the other two" (QUESTIONS), not players. Sorry if I can't read your mind bro.

On December 28 2012 00:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Again, you're misrepresenting my case against you too. It isn't that you posted a read on Wiggles, not was my vote on Wiggles anything but to avoid a modkill. I'll be the first one to tell you I was mostly inactive d1&2. You're scummy because you continually are pushing cases on me (by all accounts an easy lynch until last night when I actually started having time to post) with quotes taken out of context that aren't trueto what you're claiming.


I'm scummy cause I'm continuously pushing cases on scummy players? Where the hell did you learn to play mafia.
Speaking of quotes, where have the reads you've promised been when you announced them?
Why did you vote for Wiggles when you apparently posted to avoid modkill?
Why not vote for me or Morb during the ongoing bandwagon, but finding us scummy before and after?

On December 28 2012 00:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Back to your vote on Wiggles though, it isn't that you voted him, it's that you claimed you wrote a post about it then just didn't post it. What purpose does withholding that info serve? Scared we might get a read on you? Seems more likely each post you make.


I knew it would be useless to point out extensively what was scummy about him.
CAUSE HE WAS GOING TO GET LYNCHED ANYWAY.
I held my promise, as opposed to you, not caring about the consequences. Too bad, cause he fucking flipped red and tainted me with it.

That's cause if I didn't give a flying fuck about Wiggles and just kept my mouth shut, I wouldn't look scummy for it, but I would be just one of more liars (=you), and we want to keep the amount of liars here to a minimum cause if town starts lying we can't filter out the scum.

Palmar judges me based on the amount of posts, you judge me based on me not having lied, how stupid can it get.
I should probably start splitting my posts into smaller parts so Parlar starts looking at the right places herp derp, and I should lie to town instead of looking like I was bussing.

Look at that Wiggles post. You think I would be THAT stupid to post something like that as mafia, knowing he would flip red? I made myself a comfortable target to push cause I actually delivered what I promised. As mafia I'd have been better off not saying anything and then claim I was busy, a la stutters.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22018 Posts
December 27 2012 16:33 GMT
#1312
And I want to know how we can confirm that Palmar is town based on setup when we don't know if he's the fucking vigi anyway.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22018 Posts
December 27 2012 16:34 GMT
#1313
And here you have another post, so I look less scummy for Palmar. Unvote me bro yada yada.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 16:40 GMT
#1314
On December 28 2012 01:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm not going to bother playing if you're not going to bother playing.

Sorry, just kill me if you don't feel like playing the game. I don't want to play either.


Bitch please I'm playing, more than you anyway. Why don't you provide me with an answer? You have a scumread on stutters, while he has not been the towniest guy around, I don't think he's scum.

However, i'm interested in your theories.

Seriously dude, your moodswings are crazy these days. Self-voting, refusing to play, calling everyone dumb for no reason.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 16:41 GMT
#1315
So I ask again, assuming you're correct about stutters, who would be the final scum?
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 27 2012 16:42 GMT
#1316
And again I say, if you are not going to explain anything I am not going to waste my time.

Go ahead and kill me and then lose the game.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 27 2012 16:44 GMT
#1317
Really, what kind of respect do you expect me to have for your play when I spend so much time explaining all of my reads, defending myself, etc. and then your response to ONE question I have is "I'm confirmed town, I don't have to explain anything"?

You accuse vivax of being scum, the burden of proof is on you. So far you have given 0 evidence for your read.

I have given you a read, you disagree with it, so your response is to ask me about other scum. I am not going to waste my time rehashing things I have already said when it is clear you do not respect my reads or effort. Why bother? You don't want to play, then I will not play either.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 27 2012 16:47 GMT
#1318
Palmar, you sure you don't want to lynch Bugs?
Writer@WriterYamato
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 16:56 GMT
#1319
On December 28 2012 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
And again I say, if you are not going to explain anything I am not going to waste my time.

Go ahead and kill me and then lose the game.


You're just not reading the thread, I've explained pretty thoroughly just about every read of mine in the game.

yamato
Eywa
You
Vivax
More Bugs and Eywa
Morbidius
Sciberbia
Prom and general explanations

Some of those are short, but all of them are valid. I think Vivax is lurking and hasn't contributed anything. I think you are the hardest person to read because so much of what you've said is either hurtful to town or just plain wrong. I mostly think Sciberbia is town because his posts look great and I've agreed with most of the things he's said forever. I also think Prom is town because of his contributions to the setup speculation and his general activity.

I guess I haven't expanded on why I don't think Stutters will flip scum, but I can work on it later.

All I'm asking you for is a name. You're intentionally working against town. Why?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
December 27 2012 16:59 GMT
#1320
On December 28 2012 01:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Really, what kind of respect do you expect me to have for your play when I spend so much time explaining all of my reads, defending myself, etc. and then your response to ONE question I have is "I'm confirmed town, I don't have to explain anything"?

You accuse vivax of being scum, the burden of proof is on you. So far you have given 0 evidence for your read.

I have given you a read, you disagree with it, so your response is to ask me about other scum. I am not going to waste my time rehashing things I have already said when it is clear you do not respect my reads or effort. Why bother? You don't want to play, then I will not play either.


By definition you know there must be another scum in the game right? I want to play, you're just being an asshole for no reason. But seeing as I'm the one who's confirmed, I should be allowed to keep some cards private because I want to get a better read on you, not just the targets we're discussing.

Honestly, you gave me a read, I disagree with it, but I'm not certain. If you have a working theory I might listen to you, but one of the reasons I don't think he's scum is because I see no viable teammates, no well thought out buses that might be happening or have happened.

Which is why I'm asking you to clarify your read with a complementary idea.
Computer says mafia
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