Okay, so the three candidate for scum are Djodref, Eywa, and JieXian. Everyone else is pretty much confirmed town at this point (barring myself).
Two of these guys pretty much has to be scum. I will be looking at their interactions with each other.
Notes
- Djo doesn't want to lynch DYH. Scumtell? Maybe. But I highly doubt he would give a huge post about me being town and force himself down the road of bussing his scumbuddy. I think if he were to bus, he would have been way more forceful with it. His Kush mislynch was obviously not catching traction, and a scum Djo would have just bussed and went along for the ride. He genuinely seems to believe that Kush is scum over DYH.
- Djo isn't that scummy on his own. Scumhunting, general thread contribution, he's the least scummy of the three up for lynch today. Not telling, but something.
- Eywa thinks scumteam is Djo / Hapa / Myself
- JieXian thinks scumteam is Hapa / Myself
- Eywa and JieXian are both very scummy on their own merit, and do NOT vote for DYH in the end. Especially Eywa. He thinks he has the scumteam all figured out, but votes for Mr.Z...? Both of them have scumslips and defend each other.
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Djo + JieXian scumteam - Highly Unlikely
Djo has had it out for JX the entire game. He has a case D1 and a vote. And now he wants to lynch him today. A majority of Djo's filter is aruging with JX and highlighting him as scum. Here are Djo's cases against him for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
JieXian
I'll tunnel and then I'll tunnel, but I'm also going to back it up with some speculation
IntroI'm glad to introduce you my new case against JieXian. I'm going to present you the following points which are proving that JieXian is scum.- His Opening Post with his scumslip
- Cheese's Tunnel with lack of real case
- Hapa's Tunnel with lack of real case and speculation
- Lynch Derailments
- Association with DYH
Part I --- His OP with le scumslip
I'd like to remind you here my previous case against JieXian. I've updated it a little, but it is still standing. + Show Spoiler [Jiexian's scumslip] +
JieXan
Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. Some additional comments: JieXian didn't state at all that he had town reads on DP and Hapa in the first post. If he had town reads, why not explaining his townreads first, and then counterbalancing them with the small things he found suspicious ? Also why enter the thread by giving town reads ? The answer is that this post was meant to spread suspicion on DP and Hapa. The problem (for JX), is the scumslip.Please also not the vote for MrZentor for a very weak reason, and that MrZentor has also been pushed by DYH.
Part II --- Cheese's Tunnel
Here are the reasons I could find which JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Cheese. - Cheese didn't push his thrawn lynch and dropped it
- Cheese didn't vote thrawn with JieXian when he provoked him to do so
I think that Cheese defense was quite reasonable against these points. His lack of time to push the thrawn lynch and the lack of interest of the town into lynching thrawn were reasonable arguments. The fact that Cheese didn't want to risk a no-lynch to follow a vote on thrawn which made little sense from JieXian's perspective is perfectly acceptable and is quite pro-town. I'm not going to explain here why no-lynches are bad for town, at the exception of MYLO situation, but we can develop this point in the post game if you want. And yet, JieXian proceeded to clutter the thread forcefully with his obsession of Cheese, avoiding constructive discussion on the subject. He dismissed any argument that we presented supporting a town Cheese: Hapa, Kush and me have made some posts in CC's favor and we got no comment on them. Just some "lol, you are scum with CC" type of comments. He didn't want to discuss the fact that preventing a no-lynch is rather pro-town than anti-town. Here is the case which allowed JieXian to call scum all game. Do I need to remind you that Cheese was DYH's contender for the lynch ? JieXian was pushing his scum agenda here. + Show Spoiler [JieXan's case] +On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? Pretty weak to call someone scum during all game...
Part III --- Hapa's Tunnel
I'm not sure if I really understood the reasons that JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Hapa. - Hapa made a contradiction(?) and never addressed it
- Hapa is scum with Cheese (all of this before any flip of course)
- Hapa is scum because he should be dead if he was town (based on speculation)
First of all, it was obvious that Hapa's lynch was not going to happen. But by cluttering the thread, barking that Hapa was scum, JieXian is achieving the following objectives. He disrupts the thread and creates a bad atmosphere in the town, while discrediting the strongest town player of this game. He also diverts the attention from DYH's lynch which was gaining some momentum. Please also note, that once again, he's avoiding constructive discussion on Hapa. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:20 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense No, speculation is speculation. I called it stupid before but this thread had enough flaming already. But when speculation points toward conclusions that is really likely to be wrong (ie, Hapa is scum), it means that the assumptions you are making are wrong. If you are seriously believing that Hapa is scum, please present me a short list of arguments supporting this theory.
Could you do that for me ? Guess what, I've never got this short list of arguments. Nor a proper case against Hapa. And he could never admit that his speculation was certainly bad. Like, Hapa has been voted blue because DP was ! Him being so obsessed with this leads me to think that he is the Witch Hunter and that he has maybe tried to shoot DP and Hapa at the beginning of N1. The speculation achieves two objectives: making townies doubting Hapa and encouraging them to talk about their votes, if the mafia team has still a bullet. It is soft-bluehunting, if you want...
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part.
Part V --- Association with DYH
I don't think that I have to mention again that JieXian forcefully tried to get DYH out of the lynch. But, on top of that we have all this posts where JieXian is defending DYH. + Show Spoiler [Jx posts to try to save DYH] +On December 20 2012 06:43 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 06:30 MrZentor wrote:
Switch to Hap? LOL ##unvote
##vote dyhI would have been better off masoning i thought you had a check on dyh? Here is tried to get Kush on his side, and he finally tries to vote MrZentor (?!) with the worst reason ever... On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
That makes at least 4 mafia in this game, with most of them being really looking townies, even before DYH flips. And before that we had On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP To try to get people vote you I guess. And also look how he tries to talk MrZentor out of DYH lynch... On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum I also found this one, which I really like  Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better  Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
And here comes JieXian answer ^^ Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh No you !
Conclusion
JieXian is Scum !
We have to lynch him tomorrow !
Djo has been pushing for his lynch all game. I find it highly unlikely that these two are both scum. If Djo is truly scum, he would not be pushing for his buddy's lynch now of all times. A JX + Djo scumteam is very unlikely.
Djo + Eywa scumteam - Possible
In general, these two have been very antagonistic the entire game. Djo votes Eywa, Eywa thinks Djo is in the scumteam with me and Hapa... Djo flips out on him, etc. Here are some examples:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote:
I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush.
GG guys,
Y u no concede ? This snippet is taken from his case on Kush. He really prefers a Eywa lynch, however. If they were scumbuddies, why would Djo push the bus instead of the mislynch? It doesn't really make any sense. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 Votes Eywa hastily on D2. On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made). Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake. Discredits Eywa, calls his cases shit. Then, Eywa calls Djo scumteam with me + Hapa, and here is his response: On December 18 2012 13:31 Djodref wrote:
WTF ! Suddendly I'm scum ?
I'm not here to participate into your shitfest and that makes me scum ?
Let me be clear
I live in South Korea, most of the discussion here happens at night for me
I have another game going on wich requires much attention and time for me
I don't want to participate into this kind of discussions
I provided some good cases that almost everybody has dismissed or discarded
If you think I'm scum, you have to write a case against me. Something I could answer to.
I cannot accept to let you throw away 'Djodref is possible scum' or 'Djodref is scum' comments like this.
But I'm glad that this shitfest is over, seriously...
This doesn't really look like two teammates purposefully fighting the thread. On December 18 2012 22:45 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:
*snip*
Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while.
*snip* What I'm doing is called scumhunting. I'm giving criminal cases on the people I'm suspicious of, to gauge their defense, and also to start constructive discussion about them from all the members. The problem here is that nobody commented nor addressed my cases so far. It doesn't make me scum, it should make me town. That's why I was keeping asking you for a "criminal case" against Cheesecake. I've read your cases but I didn't like them because I didn't understand what you were trying to prove. I like lists and concision. So could you make a list with your main points against Cheesecake, please ? More fighting between the two. On December 19 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 12:51 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:25 Djodref wrote:
@ Eywa
Who would be your scumteam right now ? If I revealed, there'd be a lesser chance of killing Cheesecake. Do you have time to discuss about Cheesecake now ? Can you make me a list with your strongest points again him ? What didn't you like in my post and Hapa's post on CC ? No He's Scum I don't remember  Dear Eywa, Believe me or not, but I'm town. If you are town, you are going to need my vote against CC, if you are really certain that he is scum, so your job should be to convince me that he is indeed scum. I've explained why I thought he was town, althought I'm not totally sure of it. I'm open to discuss anything. On the other hand, I do believe that Kush is scum, and I think that I've provided good points to show it. So I would like to discuss a Kush lynch with you. See, I have town interest in mind. Could we discuss for real now ? On December 20 2012 03:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? I'm done talking to you... On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list More fighting, I really don't see them as scumbuddies right now. On December 20 2012 03:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list Assume you're right, wouldn't they vote for Mr.Cheesecake? That'd make 5. And then we just lynch them one by one in the following days ? All of them have no fucking reason to lynch CC. On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... Final rage post.
This could have all been orchestrated, but I find it unlikely. The only merit a Djo + Eywa scumteam has is the Djo defends him:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please...
Eywa + JieXian scumteam - Most likely
Okay, everyone seems to be saying they don't think this is the case. Pray tell me, why? Too obvious? I don't know.
Just look at this post:
On December 17 2012 21:44 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:28 Hapahauli wrote:I'll post something tomorrow afternoon at longer length. Off the top of my head...
DYH's play has been very non-involved. He pops in, offers a consensus opinion, and pops out. I'm not sure if he's scum, but he's one to keep an eye out for.
I still think JieXian is mafia. Despite his defense, his voting antics are really really strange. He ends up voting you (Thrawn) at the end of the day and I have no idea where his scumread came from. He was very suspicious of Mr. Cheesecake, had his vote parked on him, then out of nowhere does this: On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him ... so he votes the candidate that one of his top scumreads is pushing? Errrrrrrrg. JieXian justifies his vote with this... On December 17 2012 06:13 JieXian wrote:I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts ... but it's pretty unconvincing. He voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. Cheesecake to vote him? I'm not really buying it - it reads a lot like JieXian doesn't give a shit about who dies.
lol what kind of an idiot would still think I'm scum after all that? you're not stupid like kush so you're just keeping your NK options open between me and eywa with your ludicrous read on him
He's buddying together himself and Eywa, calling Hapa's read ludicrous and him an idiot.
And here's this:
On December 18 2012 00:00 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 21:31 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real saw that? hapa and mrcc are definitely scumbuddies @ JieXianSo, according to you, MrZentor, Hapa ans Cheesecake are the scumteam, right ? And that makes Eywa town... I strongly disagree with you. And I should be town, right ? The problem with your reasoning is that you are making association cases before the flip. If you want to prove that Hapa is scum, you have to make an independent case against him. I want you to show me what is wrong in Hapa's case against eywa. I want you to write a strong case against Hapa. Then you can start to post like you do. If you cannot write your case, it's probably because Hapa is town, as I believe he is, or because yourself is mafia. I'm just asking you to convince me, ok ? I don't know who the 3rd guy is yet, it's either thrawn or mrz. Not sure about you.
OF course eywa is town. Coming up with a case on hapa soon
Yes, of course Eywa is town.
More of JX referring to him and Eywa as a unit. He is defending BOTH himself and Eywa in this post:
On December 18 2012 00:05 JieXian wrote:
Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy
Okay, just look at THIS one:
On December 18 2012 02:46 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now. We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none. On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?
no one Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him? Please convince me and eywa and zentor why
This quote occurs on page 57 of the thread. He asks me to convince people of my argument concerning the witchhunter shot. I have to convince him, okay. I have to convince Zentor, alright he's in this dicussion. I have to convince Eywa... what? Where is he in this conversation? If you look back in the thread a few pages, Eywa is nowhere to be found. His last post is talking about Hapa's "scumslip", nothing to do with the witchhunter shot. Why does JX want me to convice Eywa of something that he's not even discussing?
Okay so I'm going to cut this short and just give a synopsis:
I think JX + Eywa scumteam has a real possibility, and nobody should be discounting it.
Both of these guys refused to consider DYH for a lynch. They buddy each other hardcore and attack me and Hapa, taking every little opportunity to do so and use terribly shit logic. Neither of them voted for Morb, the lurker lynch.
On December 17 2012 06:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Final Vote Count!
Morbidius (8) - Drazak, MrZentor, DP, MrCheesecake, DoYouHas, threesr, Hapahauli, kushm4sta
threesr (1) - Djodref
Mr. Cheesecake (1) - thrawn
MrZentor (1) - Morbidius
Hapahauli (1) - Eywa-
thrawn2112 (1) - Jiexian
Only one scum had to be on the lynch wagon for it to go through. The other two were free to hop on anyone else they wanted to and subsequently flame the town for pushing a mislynch. Admittedly, Djodref is there too, but he does not throw it in anyone's face and accepts it. The two scum, however, have different plans and use this to their advantage by attempting to gain town credit.
Final thoughts
Djo looks scummy mainly because of his reluctance to lynch DYH... but Kush also had reluctance. I don't think this is definitive of a scumtell.
Neither Eywa nor JX pushed the scum lynch. Neither of them have done jack shit this game besides tunnel me or Hapa. Both of them are horrendously anti-town. Scums goal is to pick on the weakest town -- and at the time I was the weakest town, because of my lack of scumhunting and admitted sheeping. Unfortunately for them I had some more time on my hands later in the game. I'm not stupid, and neither is the rest of the town. I really do believe they are the scumteam. Even if it seems too obvious, sometimes that's the solution.
I'm going to vote Eywa because A) He deserves it. B) He's 100% scum C) I'd rather lynch him over Djo right now.
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