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On September 05 2012 01:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ##FOS Kville
[/b] Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p
I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling.
Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win. Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ?
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That blue text was meant to be in quote, not trying to play mod. Apologies if that wasnt clear.
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CUBU I'm sorry! If you are still reading this thread.
Regarding Kville: I think he is a town troll. Hopefully we have a vigi that can kill him. If we don't have a solid suspect for day 2, I'm fine with a lynch on him, just as a pure policy lynch. I would rather lynch him than someone active who we don't have a really good case against.
I will be back in a few hours with a post focusing on the more active people for a change.
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On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote:Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win.Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ?
Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17)
So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2.
Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating.
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On September 05 2012 02:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 01:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ##FOS Kville
Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win.Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town.
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Hi everyone !
Iv started reading trough all threads trying to catch up, just want to let you know im here and will be as active as possible, il post a more detailed post in some hours when ik got a better view of everything.
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On September 05 2012 02:34 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 02:31 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 01:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ##FOS Kville
Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win.Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town.
The problem with asking for a modkill is that there is always the extremely unlikely chance that he is town and actually thinks he is playing to win. There is also the problem that asking for a modkill under the condition that a player is a certain alignment puts the mod in a position where they would be unfairly giving out information. I think we should leave all discussion of modkilling to the mods unless he blantantly and unquestionably breaks rules.
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On September 05 2012 02:48 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 02:34 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 02:31 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 01:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ##FOS Kville
Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win.Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town. The problem with asking for a modkill is that there is always the extremely unlikely chance that he is town and actually thinks he is playing to win. There is also the problem that asking for a modkill under the condition that a player is a certain alignment puts the mod in a position where they would be unfairly giving out information. I think we should leave all discussion of modkilling to the mods unless he blantantly and unquestionably breaks rules. Fair enough. I agree it would be a pretty dirty move to ask for a modkill like that (as I indicated in my previous post).
But in that case we might as well just auto vote him to get rid of him, regardless of alignment.
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Please refrain from discussing modkills/punishments thereof while the game is going on. Thanks =D
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Reads from d1:
Kush is my most clear townie read. Starting a wagon on d1 is not scummy, rather the opposite. What makes him almost a dead sure townie though, is his way of aggressively pursuing the Cubu wagon even at a point where it was highly likely to succeed. At that point scum would've just sat back and relaxed. Stutter was my #1 suspect d1 (reasons given a million times already) and he has contributing with little to nothing for me to change my view of him being scummy. WeeTee was my #2 suspect at the end of d1 but is getting subbed. It's possible his terrible posts came as a result of a lack of time, I still have a scum lean on him and will keep a close eye on imcasey's posts. Kville snags the spazztard of the day award in the last few hours. Considering he's playing in other maffias games he shouldn't be a complete newbie and he should realize he really needs to get back into this thread and start answering questions and contributing. Since he's not a complete newbie I'm hesitant to apply my policy of giving spazzes the benefit of a doubt, he needs to start posting more and more qualitatively or else he's getting my vote (he's useless anyway).
When looking at yesterday's voting pattern, there's really only one thing that pops up: At one point Cubu placed a vote on Kville to tie it up 2-2. At this point Jacob and Xatalos put down votes on Cubu. If Kville is maffia, it's possible Jacob or Xatalos wanted to push Cubu's wagon to save him. This gives some extra weight behind the case for lynching Kville, as it may give us information on Jacob and Xatalos. If Kville is maffia I highly doubt both Jacob and Xatalos are scum though, so the information we would gain is limited.
The fact that we had so many wagons going came back to bite us in the ass. First, having our votes so spread, it gives maffia a better chance of affecting the outcome. Second, the Cubu wagon started rolling way too fast. He got far ahead and at that point voting pattern analysis is useless, because it's only in a close townie/scum wagon that the scum is put to the test (to save or not to save?).
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On September 05 2012 02:52 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 02:48 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 05 2012 02:34 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 02:31 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 05 2012 02:09 Kreb wrote:On September 05 2012 01:03 thrawn2112 wrote: ##FOS Kville
Hasnt he been FoS for everyone? :p I dont even know what to think of him, but most likely hes trolling. Though, one thing struck me. The OP says this: Play to win.Isnt Kville pretty much by default.... A) Scum B) Breaking the rule It could even be argued that he is.... C) Both ? Yeah I think regardless of his alignment he's trolling. Based on how he posted near the voting deadline I was wanting to lynch him and I thought that kush was thinking the same thing as well, but at that point it was too late and not enough people were in the thread. (top of page 17) So what should we do about it? Trying to get meaningful posts and arguments out of a troll player is just going to result in more trolling so I don't want to spend a lot of time on it during D2 because of the odds. If we lynch him D2 and he's town, then we will be at 6:3 town/scum ratio if the night kill goes through without a save/rb. Policy lynching is ok for D1 but I don't really like it for D2. Kville, this is why if you are town you need to start participating. I dont know. We could attempt to lynch him D2 while pleading for a modkill before the vote goes through should he be town. Maybe thats shitty because we basically cant lose, so mafia will be at a disadvantage. But I just cant see how he did not break the rule if hes town. The problem with asking for a modkill is that there is always the extremely unlikely chance that he is town and actually thinks he is playing to win. There is also the problem that asking for a modkill under the condition that a player is a certain alignment puts the mod in a position where they would be unfairly giving out information. I think we should leave all discussion of modkilling to the mods unless he blantantly and unquestionably breaks rules. Fair enough. I agree it would be a pretty dirty move to ask for a modkill like that (as I indicated in my previous post). But in that case we might as well just auto vote him to get rid of him, regardless of alignment.
We need to just chill for awhile. It's still just n1 and we got 48h of d2 before next lynch. If we decide to lynch him already it means scum can feel safe for the entire d2. We should keep our options open and consider other lynching candidates as well. He should definitely be on the list of highly suspected though.
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I propose a back up policy-lynch plan on kville D2. All the people that have spoken up about him recently (kreb kush myself and sonic) have all expressed sentiments of at least not wanting him in the game regardless of his alignment. His play is just too strange to make sense from a town perspective.... but if he somehow is town then he's being so purposefully anti-town that lynching him would be the best possible townie-lynch.
If he continues on how he's been playing then I'm going to ignore him so I can focus on getting a solid scumread on someone else. If I'm unable to make a case I'm confident in and nobody else's cases look convincing, then I'm going to ask everyone who is in a similar situation to lynch kville.
Is there anyone that thinks back-up plan lynching kville is a bad idea? I'd like to hear some possible town-motives for his posts or reasons to keep him around because I don't see any. He's definitely not everyone's strongest scumread, but it seems to be the consensus that his play is anti-town townie if not anti-town scum. It'll be similar to a D1 lurker lynch policy, in that we all will have an agreed upon alternative lynch plan if we fail to produce strong reads by the end of the day cycle.
He is my strongest scumread because I see absolutely no town-motives behind his play, but I think we should pursue other cases for the time being because a read on kville is based off of so little information. (7 total posts)
Say so if you agree or disagree, and then set the matter aside unless it needs to be brought up at the end of D2.
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On September 05 2012 04:43 thrawn2112 wrote: I propose a back up policy-lynch plan on kville D2. All the people that have spoken up about him recently (kreb kush myself and sonic) have all expressed sentiments of at least not wanting him in the game regardless of his alignment. His play is just too strange to make sense from a town perspective.... but if he somehow is town then he's being so purposefully anti-town that lynching him would be the best possible townie-lynch.
If he continues on how he's been playing then I'm going to ignore him so I can focus on getting a solid scumread on someone else. If I'm unable to make a case I'm confident in and nobody else's cases look convincing, then I'm going to ask everyone who is in a similar situation to lynch kville.
Is there anyone that thinks back-up plan lynching kville is a bad idea? I'd like to hear some possible town-motives for his posts or reasons to keep him around because I don't see any. He's definitely not everyone's strongest scumread, but it seems to be the consensus that his play is anti-town townie if not anti-town scum. It'll be similar to a D1 lurker lynch policy, in that we all will have an agreed upon alternative lynch plan if we fail to produce strong reads by the end of the day cycle.
He is my strongest scumread because I see absolutely no town-motives behind his play, but I think we should pursue other cases for the time being because a read on kville is based off of so little information. (7 total posts)
Say so if you agree or disagree, and then set the matter aside unless it needs to be brought up at the end of D2.
I think this is the best strat. We keep pressure on scum and we keep pressure on Kville to change strat if he is townie. We don't really lose anything by keeping Kville around and there's a >0 chance he'll start making sense.
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If we have no strong reads by the end of day 2 and we then lynch him and he turns out to be a townie then town are in a bad spot as we'll 6-3 with no strong leads and having let scum avoid suspicion in the lynchvote.
If I am still alive tomorrow, I will be voting for the player who I have the strongest scumread on, and my backup will be voting for someone who I have a less good read on but who is being pushed by people whom I have a townread on and who have made a good case.
Making elaborate schemes beyond that seems silly to me as it just tells scum where to hide to avoid being lynched (which in retrospect was probably our biggest mistake on day 1). So I agree insofar as I think we should set the matter aside
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edit: basically everything I said you and sonic have already said - so I am not trying to repost that or claim credit for it - just that, yeah kville looks scummy now, but in 48h I REALLY hope we can either get more on him or find someone who looks even scummier.
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I don't think this is a particularly bad policy, don't know that it's going to help kville's attitude, but that seems to be just a bonus if it does. I think it might be a good idea to all actually vote for kville at the start of tomorrow, anything less and it's just a threat.
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Ok, a bit of a if-I-get-kill-post here:
You deal with Kville in whatever way you feel comfortable. Personally I'm very likely to vote for him should i survive.
About the other commonly mentioned players: Drazak I think gave a genuine answer to the attack on him. It wasnt a particularly good defense in my opinion (which I pointed out), but I got the feeling it was more of an inexperienced townie defense. WeeTee/imcasey: no comments yet. I do think the strongest case we have on anyone apart from Kville is Stutters. No need to repeat whats been said about him again, but I do largely agree on the accusations on him. Should Kville turn out not to be a good option, I'm leanign towards Stutters as my secondary target.
Slightly more interesting might be the rest. There is likely at least one mafia hiding among those players. My biggest townreads are Thrawn and Sonic. Thrawn seems genuinely interested in scumhunting, asks relevant questions and posts relevant opinions. Sonic got towncred for his questioning of Cubu, I've explained my reasoning there before. I'd also say I think Jacob looks like a townie to me at the moment, though maybe not as clearly as Thrawn and Sonic.
My biggest mafia-read on the remaining players would be Xatalos. I think he came into the thread posting with descent activity initially. But eventually it his activity kinda went down, his vote on Cubu didnt convince me of anything, and I still havent forgotten how he commended Kush on Kushs initial jump on me (which was largely agreed on was not justified). Im not sure why someone would consider such a post to be "very proactive post with good reasoning".
Kush is another interesting topic. His posting went up notably after the initial jump. I'm still not completely conviced hes not trying to mindgame us all with a purposedly unjustified attack. That said, I'm not exactly suspicious of him either, but should I die at least I wish people to keep their eyes open on him.
The rest: Nothing really worth mentioning .
Thats about it for now. =)
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That should be "His posting quality went up notably after the initial jump".
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Yeah goodbye posts are a good idea.
Links to previous posts are underlined.
On kville: I feel like my last post made my thoughts on him pretty clear. If you want a more in depth explanation of my read on him, look here.
My strongest town read right now is kush. His tendancy to jump to conclusions matches with how I saw him play town in our last game. It's only 1 game of course but in the meta department I gotta assign him some town points. I also felt like his vote on cubu was genuine. Misguided, but genuine. He's also one of the more active when it comes to scumhunting.
Scum read: Out of all the lurkers, (exluding kville because nobody knew wtf to think about him) stutters was the one I thought was the scummiest. You can find reasons why in the last paragraph of this post, and in the big paragraph in this post. It's also worth pointing out that he hasn't posted in over 24 hrs as of now, and he's the only one who hasn't posted during the night cycle. My main motivation for considering him as a lynch candidate was because of how we all agreed to follow the lurker policy, and I thought he was the scummiest lurker. After the lynch I was willing to reconsider my read on him in favor of looking at the more active players, but that was under the condition that he starts contributing/scumhunting which he hasn't done.
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##fos xatalos I have some suspicions about you that I would like you address. I know you are pretty inactive though so I hope you can get to them.
You are more experienced than most of us with three games already played. So my big question is why aren't you scumhunting?
You have 5 posts let's look at them.
On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There are a couple of posts that caught my attention. On September 02 2012 10:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Alright fellow townies, one post before I go to bed, it's 3am over here.
Make sure to read the maffia guide thread if you haven't, it's really good. Try to make concise posts and think 'em through before posting, the last thing we need is added confusion.
We also need transparency, so try to contribute with at least one post per game day where you clearly explain your reasoning behind your most solid reads. If everyone does this, the mobsters will have to too.
And blue roles, with great power comes great responsibility, so please don't do stupid shit just because you can :p
Finally, keep in mind: if you're a vanilla townie, death by NK is a great honor and the best possible outcome for the group as a whole.
Goodnight and see ya tomorrow. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Then there's this: On September 02 2012 16:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Not only is a no-lynch bad, it's impossible. Read the rules.
Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch.
On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote: First: GLHF everyone!
Morning everyone, this thread got started nicely overnight it seems. About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers. Obviously the chance of getting a scum right on the first day is limited, but generally it keeps the discussion going. You're also not necessarily sacrificing someone important if you're lynching an inactive townie either. Overall it seems like the best of all the options.
Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum.
(Im gonna have to get used to not editing posts too :p Im way too used doing that!) This is another way of saying "I'm going to wait for a bandwagon to form and then jump on it close to the deadline". Things like that set my Mafia alarms ringing immediately - especially since the rest of that post is just extremely wishy-washy and fluffy non-content... Kreb, if you want to convince me you're not Mafia, then who do you think is Mafia and why? On September 02 2012 12:24 kushm4sta wrote: Are people ok with NOT lynching anyone first night or is this generally thought of as bad play? Because honestly it seems impossible to have a good idea of who is mafia by then. Last game everyone was like we NEED to lynch someone, and we ended up lynching WeeTee, an innocent! I love all my townies and I don't want to kill any. At first I thought kushm4sta looked suspicious, but in the end, I really doubt Mafia would go on such a rampage of careless posts - they would much rather hide and wait for good opportunities. Then there's this post that he just posted: On September 02 2012 18:45 kushm4sta wrote:##vote krebPost is really empty. If no one else comes along in 36ish hours I would be down with lynching him. Really premature vote, I know but I'm going to sleep for like 15 hours so it's going to be a while. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 17:53 Kreb wrote: About D1 lynching, from what I've guessed so far its indeed a good idea to lynch lurkers.
Then he uses 3 sentences to explain why lurkers are bad even though they are not necessarily mafia, a completely obvious idea. So his whole lurker policy is "it's a good idea to lynch lurkers." I have news for you kreb, a total lurker will be modkilled since you have to post at least once a day. The most lurkerish person we have to deal with is 1 post a day. Speaking of 1 post a day, Show nested quote + Gonna have a look through some peoples posting histories later on when we get closer to the deadline and more people has posted to see if theres any chance to find hte slightest read on who could be a scum.
You do realize the deadline is very far? A day is 48 hours not 24. Damn guys town is fine. In 30 hours Kreb is going to check SOME filters for a CHANCE to find the SLIGHTEST read. A very proactive post with good reasoning. kushm4sta is looking strongly town to me at the moment.
You quote sonic, bolded his entire post and accuse him of being fluffy. You want him to tell you who he thinks is mafia and why. Well why don't you follow your own advice? Then you basically repeat my argument against krebs, and again use the phrase
if you want to convince me you're not Mafia, then who do you think is Mafia and why? Then you call my post a very proactive post with good reasoning . Well if you like posts like that, ie making cases against people, then why don't you do it yourself? Also I disagree. My post kind of sucked.
Second post!
On September 02 2012 22:00 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2012 21:07 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:There are a couple of posts that caught my attention. On September 02 2012 10:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Alright fellow townies, one post before I go to bed, it's 3am over here.
Make sure to read the maffia guide thread if you haven't, it's really good. Try to make concise posts and think 'em through before posting, the last thing we need is added confusion.
We also need transparency, so try to contribute with at least one post per game day where you clearly explain your reasoning behind your most solid reads. If everyone does this, the mobsters will have to too.
And blue roles, with great power comes great responsibility, so please don't do stupid shit just because you can :p
Finally, keep in mind: if you're a vanilla townie, death by NK is a great honor and the best possible outcome for the group as a whole.
Goodnight and see ya tomorrow. This post is extremely fluffy, even for the first post of the thread. Just look at the bolded part: there's nothing of value in all that. No opinions, no reasoning, no stances on anything... Nothing. Everything in this post screams classic Mafia pseudo-active "posting for the sake of posting". Since this is a newbie game I think the basics needs to be pointed out asap before we move on. We just need to keep calm and make well thought-out posts, that way it'll be much more difficult for the scum to kick up shitstorms over nothing to get the town distracted. I've followed a few newbie games and the first couple of days the townies are usually too busy throwing around random accusations and lynching other townies to get any productive work going. Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:On September 02 2012 16:58 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Not only is a no-lynch bad, it's impossible. Read the rules.
Also, yeah, lynching active d1 posters is usually bad, especially in newbie games. Townies are usually a lot more comfortable with their role. Ime this leads the townies to post more and also say more stupid stuff. The town latches on to someone who said something stupid and we have a mislynch.
On the other hand mobsters are more careful with what they say because they don't want to slip up and get noticed. I'm mostly suspicious of semi-active posters who post nothing but fluff. The bolded part here is something I agree with, but on the other hand, it fits Sonic Death Monkey himself quite well... His filter seems like the most semi-active and fluffy at the moment. Sonic Death Monkey, do you see anyone more suspicious than yourself (by your own standards) right now? If so, who and why? Fair enough. I think that description fits basically anyone within the first 10-20 post of the thread though. Once the discussion gets going, like it's starting to now, we'll see which posters are ducking and which ones are actually contributing. As for your question, I think it's easier to find people standing out as likely townies at this point. In my experience, people engaging in discussions and poo-flinging early game are less likely to be scum. For this reason, I'll give some townie points to kush and thrawn. Thrawn also seems to be a productive and solid contributor. It'll be hard for him to keep up with that if he's really scum, so some extra townie points for him. When it comes to scum, I'm really suspicious of people who just pop in to make a fluffy post and then disappear. For now, Kreb and KillingTime seems to fit that bill. It's good to see some content from you (I agree with your point about thrawn2112), but the bolded part here is just... weak. Okay, Kreb and KillingTime have done basically nothing so far. But the same applies to Cubu, WeeTee and drazak. Why do you think Kreb and KillingTime are scummy but players like Cubu, WeeTee or drazak are not? Show some reasoning, not just a basic statement. (As a sidenote, the above mentioned lurkers + Kville should really start posting some more, or it's going to be much more difficult to identify the Mafia lurkers.)
The bolded part of sonic's post is "just...weak." Well to me calling something just...weak is pretty weak in itself.
Why do you think Kreb and KillingTime are scummy but players like Cubu, WeeTee or drazak are not? Show some reasoning, not just a basic statement. Again you are urging people to scumhunt, yet you are not.
Next post you ride my dick some more, calling me town, saying that my read on kreb is strong.
Ok then without even giving an argument you bandwagon on cubu. Third person to join the kush lynch wagon btw. Third is a suspicious number.
On September 04 2012 00:05 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I find it hard to believe that kville would actually be Mafia. Most of the time Mafia are semi-lurkers with fluffy and careful posts, but kville has done literally nothing so far. It's an extreme risk for Mafia, especially since the overall atmosphere is so anti-lurker. We would lose nothing of value by lynching him, but more likely we'd just hit town and proceed to Day 2 with no new information.
I also don't think drazak is Mafia. The typical reaction for pressured Mafia is to get angry, aggressive or desperate, but in my eyes, he has tried to be genuinely helpful - giving away a lot of unnecessary information in case he actually was Mafia. The somewhat frustrated tone in his posts also points more to town than Mafia.
Sonic Death Monkey and Kreb looked pretty suspicious based on their first (really fluffy) posts, but their later posts have been much better. I'm willing to wait and see some more from them before I can make a judgement.
The ones I'm willing to lynch right now are Cubu, WeeTee and Stutters695. Cubu has posted only fluff, a slight suspicion of drazak and several suggestions to lynch a lurker. All very easy and careful things to say - things that Mafia would like to say in order to blend in and avoid unnecessary attention. WeeTee's first post is pure fluff and the next one is pretty wishy-washy and non-committing. The filter of Stutters695 is full of fluff and non-committing stances.
I'm in bit of a hurry already, so I'm going to vote for Cubu. I might be able to come back online a bit later, but not anymore closer to the deadline :/
##Vote Cubu
Why do you vote for cubu? Well your reasoning, in full, is here:
Cubu has posted only fluff, a slight suspicion of drazak and several suggestions to lynch a lurker. All very easy and careful things to say - things that Mafia would like to say in order to blend in and avoid unnecessary attention And that's pretty much the extent of your scumhunt. Pretty long post, but you only use a sentence of it to justify your vote! I understand if you are busy doing pushups for the military or something, but it's not your inactivity that bothers me. Rather, it's what you choose to do with your limited number of posts: telling other people to scumhunt rather than doing it yourself, and bandwagoning instead.
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