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On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta
Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying.
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Thrawn was like town leader and now he is gone. We need to do is come up with a plan for day 2 so we can as a town stay focused.
We do NOT want to all be accusing different people. That is what mafia wants.
We do not want to be discussing things that do not contribute to the scum hunt.
Anyone have an idea for a day 2 town plan to help us?
In the next post I will discuss this recent drazak vote for me.
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On September 05 2012 12:10 JacobStrangelove wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying.
I honestly have no idea what you are saying dude.
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Answer my questions, kushm4sta. I'm not accusing random people, I'm basing an accusation on fact. This is how you find things out in mafia. Trying to throw my suspiscions away like that is VERY mafia like. You're not making the case for yourself any better Kush.
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On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta
I pushed the cubu vote because
1)he was a bad poster/lurker and it worked as a policy lynch if nothing else
2)how he turned revealed a lot about thrawn, who i assumed medic or jb would save because he was the obvious choice in my mind
I thought it was very fishy that thrawn tried to redirect twice, and so I got very excited with the prospect of identifying two mafia in the first day.
Also at the time I thought, as did thrawn, that kville was going to be replaced. So that's why I called him the worst townie. Now it's clear that honor belongs to kville.
Also jacob I don't get how this is a good argument? It's reasoning is only one sentence:
Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie.
I think he means that then thrawn would be mafia, but right now that sentence, which is his ONLY argumentation, makes no sense.
Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town?
I didn't think anyone else seemed more scumlike than he did. Although I did know that was a big chance of him not being scum. See, drazzy darling, when there are a ton of lurkers/terrible townies in the game like yourself, it makes it pretty fucking hard to win as town.
And my last defense of myself is to invoke the holy name of the late thrawn, who, on the night of his untimely death, proclaimed me as his biggest town read. Read his defense of me because I'm sure it's better than anything I could do.
REST IN PEACE THRAWN TT
Not to OMGUS, but this actually makes drazak seem quite suspicious to me. Mostly because I am the most active poster now that thrawn is gone. Maybe I'm biased about the matter but what do other people think? I will look through his filter more tomorrow.
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On September 05 2012 13:06 drazak wrote:
Answer my questions, kushm4sta. I'm not accusing random people, I'm basing an accusation on fact. This is how you find things out in mafia. Trying to throw my suspiscions away like that is VERY mafia like. You're not making the case for yourself any better Kush.
You didn't give me time to address your "argument." Also that post on town plan, if that's what you are talking about, had nothing to do with you.
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So, you weren't actually scum hunting, why weren't you scum hunting? Couldn't figure out who to lynch and actually make a good case for because you're mafia? Just because thrawn called you town doesn't make you town.
For the record, town doesn't need a leader, a leader can hurt a town more than help, if the leader is mafia, we're all fucked. Saying that you're the most active doesn't actually make you town. We agreed that the only deciding factor is that being too lurker-ish is scummy. Active does not equate to town.
Accusing me because I'm accusing you is a very bad idea, that's like, the #1 worse scum defense. So tell me, with logical terms, good reasons, and actual evidence, who your best two scum reads are?
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I have to admit it's doesn't make a lot of sence it just adds more to the party. What I was saying is what you said makes sence.. in a game right now but wanted to clear this up
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I am supposed to be studying and then having dinner and such so I will be back properly after that. (more than just short posts) But things I would like to see happen is Stutters kville posting more and xatos and Killing discussing each other.
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Iv tried reading myself up on all the threads, having a hard time catching up aswell as reading the rules/guides as this is my first time and its a lot to understand. From what iv seen so far my first thoughts are to have a close eye on kushm4sta, atleast thats what im focusing on right now. It seems for me like he is throwing around votes and randomly acuses people.
First he dont want a lynch on D1
Then he really suspects thrawn2112
Going on with voting for kreb
Changes his mind and unvote kreb
Votes for Cubu instead
Saying he do want a lynch for D1 afterall
I will continue reading and respond the next hours
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Thrawn was such an obvious target 
For that reason, I sadly dont really think theres much to gain from that. I mean, likely the only reason I would not wanna vote for him as mafia would be because it would be such an "obvious" JK/Medic target. But enough of that.
I've got a bunch of questions though:
To me, that main target is still Kville (with Stutters second). Me and Thrawn had a bit of a lengthy discussion about what do. Thrawn suggested a backup-plan lynch on Kville, but only really Sonic, KillingTime and Drazak chimed in.
Broad question: Is there really no one else who feel they want to add something regarding Kville? Surely there must be more opinions on him.
To KillingTime: You did agree to what Thrawn suggested. But in a veeeeeery broad and almost reluctact (?) way.
If I am still alive tomorrow, I will be voting for the player who I have the strongest scumread on, and my backup will be voting for someone who I have a less good read on but who is being pushed by people whom I have a townread on and who have made a good case.
Why wouldnt you reveal your townreads then? Thats like the most general wording ever "I will trust people who I have townreads on". No shit? So care to elaborate on what townreads you have? And dont you have any reads yourself or are you just gonna blindly follow your owntownreads?
To imcasey: Whats your take on Kville? And any opinion of Stutters (go back a few pages, right after D1 lynch to find the case on him)? Any townreads so far? WeeTee wasnt really contributing much at all, but I think its time you start too.
To Stutters: Still not a word since the D1 lynch. Maybe luckily for you, Kville is causing more attention to be drawn to him. But you really seem to like defending yourself with silence over actualy contribution. Come on, show us some opinions, mafia-read, townreads.
Dont really see the point of asking Kville anything, but yea, feel free to actually jump into the discussion if you have something to say.
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One more, to Xatalos and Drazak: Since you both voted early. Why would you consider your current votes to be more likely mafia than Kville and maybe also Stutters?
I thought we were just kinda leaving Kville while discussing other reads in parallell, but with votes coming already, you must have a reason to not vote on the two most talked about targets?
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@Kreb: I would consider kush & sonic (who i suspect d1 but for weak reasons and who has played well since then) to be the most town players at the moment, with Kreb & drazak someway behind them. They are all active and seem to be trying to help town. But many of them seem to be abit at loggerheads so I want to go through filters this afternoon and see whether I still agree with these reads.
I agree my post last night was broad/reluctant. That is because I broadly agree about kville, but really hope we can do better because even if kville is mafia he is the weakest member of the mafia as well in terms of finding the whole mafia team.
In terms of those I am suspicious of at the moment:
Weetee/imcasey - No change since my last post when I said they were null for the moment (perhaps jacob did not read that post?) and that the need for replacement might have explained what I found scummy about them, but that I would be watching closely. I am not sure how this can be seen as “bandwagoning with xtalos” as Jacob has suggested. If you look at Xatalos’s vote he voted for Cubu early, when I was still voting for wetee.. which hardly seems like bandwagon activity to me.
Jacob - I am trying hard to be objective about you and not fall into an OMGUS trap just because you are pushing me. But, I really dislike your play-style, posts like this one: Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying. seem to be designed just to confuse townies while saying almost nothing of value. At this point in the game town has very little information, so we can dream up any number of scenarios to second guess the mafia actions, I don’t think that kind of theorycrafting will help us catch scum.
Your current argument seems to be that Xatalos & I are/were attempting to bus weetee/imcasey because I was more suspicious of him (unknown alignment) over cubu (confirmed town) on d1. I find this argument hard to understand and it seems more driven by your suspicions/attempts to smear me.
Xatalos - I don't know what to make of the fact that jacob is pushing him alongside me. But, I would like him to explain why he thinks that Stutters695 is a much weaker case than imcasey, given that the need to be replaced seems to count in Weetees/imcaseys favour but not in his on d1 and there has been little from either of them on d2.
Kville/Stutters - yep these two guys exist, not much more you can say about either unless stutters decides to be helpful (I have no hope with kville)
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On September 05 2012 16:23 Kreb wrote:
To imcasey: Whats your take on Kville? And any opinion of Stutters (go back a few pages, right after D1 lynch to find the case on him)? Any townreads so far? WeeTee wasnt really contributing much at all, but I think its time you start too.
Kville Im not sure what to think, for sure he do not contribute much, his post are non sense to me, voting for himself.. I dont know, either he is plain stupid/trolling, or he plays the game really well, atleast it looks so for me without any experience.
Stutters seems to have good post, spent time on analyzing/writing them, i think he got good content in his post, definitely not a vote candidate as i see it.
I willl read trough the thread again but only focusing on townreads and post with any content in it, hoping that all the wishwash post dont make me lose alot of focus. I would like to here your opinion on kushm4sta though
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No you have that completly wrong, I was more thinking you would town lynch WeeTee and then bus or town lynch whoever town disliked most out of Stutters kville. I know I am pushing you but it's mainly so I have more information. You are the only one I can force to talk at the moment as kville and Stutters seem like hopless cases.
That kind of theory crafting is how my head works... I might just keep it to myself though and only post my stronger theory crafting I guess...
I guess a more easy to understand method without including you and xatalos would be..
Kush is getting pushed on by Darzak who had both the people against him lynched. This makes it more likely that he is scum than kush is but we shouldn't fall into the trap if thinking kush is confirmed town just because thrawn thought so.
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And by forcing you to explain things you might either slip up or become townish. I am currently less suspicious of you as a result. But I should probably look into the Kush/Drazak situation more and leave you be for the moment.
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On September 05 2012 17:57 KillingTime wrote:
@Kreb: I would consider kush & sonic (who i suspect d1 but for weak reasons and who has played well since then) to be the most town players at the moment, with Kreb & drazak someway behind them. They are all active and seem to be trying to help town. But many of them seem to be abit at loggerheads so I want to go through filters this afternoon and see whether I still agree with these reads.
I agree my post last night was broad/reluctant. That is because I broadly agree about kville, but really hope we can do better because even if kville is mafia he is the weakest member of the mafia as well in terms of finding the whole mafia team.
Fair enough. I see your argument but I dont agree. I we leave Kville and mislynch AGAIN (which seems much more likely should we not vote Kville), we'll be in a pretty bad spot. And finally getting a confirm on Kville being mafia means we can look back at how people responded to the accusations of him. Kville flipping town is almost unthinkable to me since I really dont see how he would be following the "play to win" rule then.
On September 05 2012 18:08 imcasey wrote:
I willl read trough the thread again but only focusing on townreads and post with any content in it, hoping that all the wishwash post dont make me lose alot of focus. I would like to here your opinion on kushm4sta though
Not much other than what I posted in my pre-night1-kill post. Im not really suspicious of him, but not as convinced as a few others seem to be either. But with 10 players left (9 not including myself), I would put him around maybe 5th-6th on the list of my most likely mafia players. In short, unless something new comes up you wont see me voting for him or agreeing with any bandwagon on him.
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I’ve been going through some filters and one player coming back scummy is Jacob.
Collection of posts where you just latch onto others’ wagons/reads:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 11:48 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Wait so both killling and Xatalos were going at weetee/imcasey? *cough* doesn't this sound right. Considering according to thrawn (confirmed town now) both had week reasoning for cubu and Xatalos was defending killing in a non committal way at one point(not much but...) Sonic case is so out of date though. Even I stopped harassing him as I ended up at least partially satisfied.
I would look at the Xatalos/Killing filters if I were you. They both seem to be starting a bandwagon. Xatalos starts it and then killing jumps on. I agree policy lynch on kville/stutters might be a problem considering the place it would leave us in.(if they flip town) That said I want to know more about you guys (kville and stutters) go out there say stuff. You are likely to get lynched before these guys so try and help us out. Also you would think he would wait for imcasey to start posting. I could be wrong so anyone feel free to point out any illogic here.
Bolded: If you were who? A townie? Do some work instead of trying to have others being the ones putting their life on the line. You really seem like a poster being on the outside looking in, you insinuate Xatalos and Killing are scummy and try to get others to make the work for you so that they can get into trouble if wrong.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 22:42 JacobStrangelove wrote:Ok, So due to motivation stutters is likely to be scum. But I would like some answers out of Killing as to what he is thinking right now. Your only real strong read as the game went on was WeeTee but considering he didn't have time and had to leave the thread it is likely he is town without time. (now ImCasey) So what do you think now? I have been ranting at you for a while (maybe misguided) but you could give me something to go on. You also mention that it is any particular reason for this? Just thought it was slightly strange that you would point out who started the wagon in particular. Also you could have a scum motivation for trying to stop people talking at night. Just saying. Also here You left them aside forever. The only other comment you seemed to make was Show nested quote +Jacob, I did not find your response to me very helpful, it was clearly contradictory for you to say that my reads were very/too safe and then give the "reads" that you did. You would think you could come up with something better than that? When people accuse me of things I list reasons why it's illogical and such. You seem to be hiding under short posts now. Latching onto my and thrawn’s Stutters read.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 05 2012 12:10 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote:On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Why town should all vote for cuba
Worst case scenario:he flips green
No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn.
Best case scenario: he is mafia
If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game.
People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn.
People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn.
Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else.
Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you?
We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta Well this does bring an interesting side to it. While what he said makes sense, the benifit we would gain from confirmed town was lost when that confirmed town died. Also Kush is going for Xatalos, now. (which I partly agree with) also xatalos (and myself) did go on the cuba wagon when it was tied up. So my theory that Killing Xatalos having a gamble scum (kville or stutters) could be correct. But then does that make Kush innocent? Also we lost the two that were going for drazak, so is drazak scum protecting himself with NK and lynch? (information over load). He goes for kush when kush goes at Xataos. Is he the third scum, and kiville a spazzy town, along with stutters? There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying. Once again just latching onto someone else’s analysis, but then explain you won’t take a stance because “There is just to many possibilitys it's annoying”.
Even when you post your reads it’s all very non-confrontational, except when it comes to Cubu (it’s also worth noting that your reasoning for voting Cubu is weak). You really tries to keep all your options open:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2012 21:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah, I am back. Tired but back. I will likely vote before bed as I am unlikely to be awake. So lists or no lists xD (not going to start that again as sonic said not a big deal) At the moment all the focus is on Kville Drazak and Cubu. So a list of three is appropriate.
Kville I find hard to believe would be mafia. Posting twice? Could be a great bluff strategy but honestly I think he got into the game and thought. Ahh who cares. That said he isn’t useful in the game unlike Drazak. Although apparently his previous activity was high in other mafias. I haven’t got time to check that and it was coming from Drazak but interesting to consider.
Drazak: I maybe biased towards the one person who thinks I am town but he seems more like a mildly scared town (as opposed to a really scared mafia see Cubu) Most of it is vibe based however as he said if we lynch him we have less to go on than if we don’t. So leaving him in the game at least temporarily is more useful So I would vote (and probably will before bed unless a good argument comes up) Cubu first.
Cubu: Need I say more? Could be a scared town but he reacted so horribly. Most likely an inexperienced mafia.
Oh and about WeeTee. I would be hesitant to lynch him because his game activity last game was similar and he got lynched as town.
So I will probably vote Cubu, Kville, Drazak. Unless one of the others or cubu comes in with a perfect argument I don’t see this changing much.
I gave your non-confrontational style a pass early d1, but at this point there are no excuses and you laying this low definitely comes off as scummy to me. Regarding you Cubu vote, just throwing random ideas out there and sees what sticks:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2012 22:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Vote count is in the other thread I think. But Cubu or kville? Both of the at risk voted kville most likely as a "I want to survive" tactic. But also reasoning behind it.
Also what about stutters? I forgot him, in what ever case the more information argument comes in. Stutters as provided something more than both. So more likely to have more to work with day two. I'll watch a movie and be back, need time to think about it.
Your only post wrt Cubu with some kind of substance is this:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2012 12:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 11:44 Cubu wrote:
guys, before you lynch me, how about we go on with the plan of lynching the lurkers? Lynching the lurkers who have posted completly nothing is 50-50 could be bored town could be terrified mafia or terrified town you never know. You however are lurking (only one post longer than one line and that post is just statistics) and if you read what I wrote. I explain why you are a better choice. (than kville who I assume you are reffering to{but also not pick a lurker to lynch!}) You are not being decisive (you say lynch the lurkers.) What lurkers? Do you not want to be connected to the lynch? Sounds like scum to me. You have plenty of time to prove me wrong though. While lynching active members is more 25% chance or whatever (not going to go into the maths) you aren't exactly what I would call active. So in lynching you we ARE lynching a lurker. But it’s still wishy-washy and poorly reasoned. I don’t even get bolded part. Would you please also explain your Killing/Xatalos connection theory more concisely? I don’t see how it’d make sense, it's just you latching onto thrawns analysis that both had poor reasonings for voting on Cubu (and you insinuating that both of them voting WeeTee somehow would make them a pair of scum?)
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Yeah we need to avoid a mislynch for sure. If he is breaking the play to win rule then there is nothing we can really do. (he would only be breaking it as town as this could be a mafia strat) Kush is so much like his town meta though, this said his meta is almost designed to be both town or mafia. I wouldn't vote kush right now because there is a less likely chance he is mafia and sonic seems to be fine for the moment (haven't spotted anything).
Like we said before Kville is the back up lynch if we can't get a for sure lynch. This is why I am trying to put the pressure on other people in hope of a slip. We still have plenty of time in the day though.
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I also like the Xatalos case last night was well made. He's been flying under the radar for far too long and we need to put some heat on him. He's not just posting infrequently, but fluffy. I remember thinking his first contributions were decent and it helped getting the thread started, but kick-starting the thread just to follow it up by laying low is scummy. After that he's mostly been fluffy.
Best wagons:
Stutters
Xatalos
Jacob
(Kville is a back-up)
Town read:
Still just Kush, but I need to catch up on the latest contributions to the thread. We need to put more focus into clearing townies, as it's a great help limiting scum possibilities (big newbie mistake is focusing too hard on just finding scum and I think that's what's going on in this thread atm).
I don't find the case against kush to be strong. I will repeat my earlier arguments:
+ Show Spoiler +Starting a wagon d1: Usually gives you too much attention (this game is a case in point)
Pursuing that townie Cubu: I think at a 4-2 score where no other wagons had any momentum, he still aggressively pursued Cubu.
Going after thrawn: Makes no sense to attack the most trusted townie (those were the accusations right? I still need to go back and reread this part)
All his actions will give him a ton of attention, that’s not very scummy at all.
We've got a lot of work to do in this thread, I will be back later tonight.
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