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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 03 2012 23:54 GMT
#321
@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?

This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 00:01 GMT
#322
On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?

This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town.


That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#323
On September 04 2012 09:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?

This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town.


That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly.


I'm really at a loss at what do with this guy... one thing is certain, we will waste much time d2 trying to decide.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 00:34 GMT
#324
On September 04 2012 09:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 09:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 04 2012 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
@kville
Hi! Can you please explain what is going on with you?
Do you not want to play anymore? In that case ask for a replacement.
Are you mafia?
Are you trolling?

This game has so many lurkers... it really makes it hard for town.


That line of questioning is a waste of time, I was asking those same questions while he was in thread and he didn't answer and just kept trolling or whatever it is he's doing. Don't know what to make of it. The only two options I see for him are being mafia or being town and intentionally playing poorly.


I'm really at a loss at what do with this guy... one thing is certain, we will waste much time d2 trying to decide.


Yeah. Apparently the replacement was WeeTee so it looks like Kville is going to stay in. I don't think there's enough time to lynch him right now if that's what you're implying but I wouldn't be opposed to it just because it's a huge problem we shouldn't have to deal with.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 00:39 GMT
#325
He would be a good vig shot though, that would solve the problem. Whoever is vig, (if there is one) don't reveal yourself just because you agree.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 04 2012 01:14 GMT
#326
Night One

[image loading]


After a lengthy debate, the town brought forth Cubu, better known as Boomhauer, to answer for his crimes.

Town: What do you have to say for yourself?

Boomhauer:
Yeah man, I tell ya what, man. That dang ol' mafia and those dang ol' guns. You know, going all pew, pew, pew. Then bang-boom and y'all dang ol' dead. Oh man I tell you what!

Finer last words have never been spoken.

+ Show Spoiler +
Cubu the Vanilla Townie has been lynched.


You have 24 hours to send all night actions into myself and BioSC
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 04 2012 01:17 GMT
#327
shit i was wrong
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Kville
Profile Joined May 2010
United States173 Posts
September 04 2012 01:18 GMT
#328
So who was positive about the lynch? And let me guess im the next lynch scum is going to try to push through. See what I mean about day1 reads and lynches. It just puts a smile on the scums faces.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
September 04 2012 01:28 GMT
#329
Sigh so he was just town with a bad defence. I guess now the fact that he didn't realise he was a lurker makes sence. After I get back will have to re-read the thread.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 01:32 GMT
#330
With that ole playboy gone the alley's gonna feel empty for a while I tell you what........................yep

kreb
kushm4sta
Cubu
kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee
Stutters695
Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112
WeeTee
KillingTime
kville
drazak, Cubu, kville
drazak
thrawn2112

I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 04 2012 01:37 GMT
#331
imcasey has replaced WeeTee. Everyone say hi!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 04 2012 01:39 GMT
#332
On September 04 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
With that ole playboy gone the alley's gonna feel empty for a while I tell you what........................yep

kreb
kushm4sta
Cubu
kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee
Stutters695
Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112
WeeTee
KillingTime
kville
drazak, Cubu, kville
drazak
thrawn2112

I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so.


I dont know dude... he seemed like such a better lynch than everyone else to me.

Hi new guy!
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Kville
Profile Joined May 2010
United States173 Posts
September 04 2012 01:40 GMT
#333
O.O
##vote imcasey
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 01:44 GMT
#334
On September 04 2012 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:
imcasey has replaced WeeTee. Everyone say hi!


Hi imcasey and welcome to Arlen. We may not have all those fancy city "disco clubs" or high tech "theme parks", but you'll find that our town members are God-fearing productive citizens who understand the importance of a well kept lawn. You should go find the chairman of your neighborhood block charter to get started.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 04 2012 01:51 GMT
#335
On September 04 2012 10:39 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 10:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
With that ole playboy gone the alley's gonna feel empty for a while I tell you what........................yep

kreb
kushm4sta
Cubu
kushm4sta, Kreb, JacobStrangelove, Xatalos, Stutters695, drazak, KillingTime, WeeTee
Stutters695
Sonic Death Monkey, thrawn2112
WeeTee
KillingTime
kville
drazak, Cubu, kville
drazak
thrawn2112

I'm gonna be looking closely at the people who voted for cubu, with special emphasis on their motives and explanations for doing so.


I dont know dude... he seemed like such a better lynch than everyone else to me.

Hi new guy!


Well for example, you were very outspoken and probably wrote the most about why he should be lynched. That makes me think your motivations were genuine. Of course I'm going to go through your filter when I look at everyone else's but I think your vote for cubu was townish. My first goal is to try and figure out if there was anyone who voted for cubu who:

-had scummy posting/behavior outside of their cubu vote
-didn't seem at all genuine or invested in their cubu vote
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 04 2012 07:09 GMT
#336
Oh well. But to be quite honest I dont feel too bad about it. It would have been even more of a mess trying to single out someone scummy among the active posters. And hitting a town first day is to be expected. At least we didnt hit a blue.

Kush seemed to be the only one going heavy on Cubu. Rest kinda went with it because they were ok with it (myself included I guess). Though it's not really a town tell either if someone didnt bandwagon him either since it's very easy for a mafia to see where the votes are going and then post a weak case on someone else because they know we're lynching a townie anyway.

Also, welcome imcasey!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 04 2012 07:18 GMT
#337
I still think that Cubu, WeeTee and Stutters695 are the most suspicious players based on Day 1 filters. Obviously Cubu was town after all, but sadly there are always townies among the top lynch candidates.

My next vote would go to WeeTee. He has played too carefully and neutrally for it to be inexperienced town play - I'd expect inexperienced town to play recklessly or somehow stupidly, but not trying to avoid attention. That's exactly what WeeTee has achieved so far. He made a wishy-washy "could be Mafia, could be town" statement about Cubu, then proceeded to vote for him anyway (pure bandwagoning). All his other reads are extremely neutral and weak as well. Everything points to him being an inexperienced Mafia player rather than an inexperienced town player. He was just replaced, though, so let's see if imcasey can bring something new to the table...

I don't think kville is Mafia, but he is a serious distraction for anything constructive. If there is a Vigilante, kville would make for a good shot.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 04 2012 07:21 GMT
#338
The biggest read I think we can get from this is that people who actively were opposed of the lynch early on before the bandwagon was rolling. Simply because a mafia will likely not commit to saving a townie. Either he will jump on the bandwagon or he will post a case on someone else who wont get lynched anyway. A quick look back reveals that Sonic as an early sceptic to the lynch. Thats a bit of towncred in my book.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
September 04 2012 07:26 GMT
#339
On September 04 2012 06:15 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 05:35 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Alright, a couple of thoughts.

On September 02 2012 22:57 Kville wrote:
Im not lurking! I just woke up!


First, why has no one called KVille out on the fact that all he's done is avoided a modkill two days ago and posted zip since then? At the very least step up and say that if he doesn't step up his game he's going to die D2 or something in case he really has been busy. Golbat lived til D4 like this last game as a scum doing the exact same thing. He's managed to drop 6 posts in his other game of mafia but he can't spend 5 minutes here?


This has been addressed, read the last couple of pages.

On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote:
@Sonic Death Monkey
So your case against me consists of determining I have "pseudo-helpful posts." What part of my post was "pseudo-helpful"? The fact that if I point out things that don't necessarily mean scumtells because I don't want to see the town go down the same road as it did in XXIV? Fair enough it hasn't been the most helpful but your entire case on lynching me is off of a lack of contribution.


The case is based on you contributing a few times without any valuable reads or questions. Your contributions have been about:

1) Lynching lurkers.
2) Low post counts not necessarily being scummy.
3) List-making.

You've only covered the most generic questions possible and without helping out on reads and who to actually lynch. You've been in the thread but you're the definition of laying low. Put yourself in my shoes, reading your own posts, why wouldn't my read be that you're scummy?

As for XXIV, I haven't followed TL maffia threads. You'll have to enlighten me as to why your posts in this thread was meant to avoid whatever happened in that thread.

On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Like others are saying why am I a better lynch than Cubu? He's said he's suspicious of Drazak for one post (which could easily be a misunderstanding of the rules) and is asking people to kill off Kville instead of him because he isn't there. Not providing reads to show why he'll be helpful day2, he just should live because there is someone afk. You bring up how a lurking scum tends to be more rational without any explanation as to why you say that (except to further your own case) and justify not lynching Cubu. Spazzes have been scum before in newbie games (DrWiggl3s, YourHarry) and the only reason they've lived was due to giving them the benefit of the doubt for days (Got Vig Thrawn lynched instead of Scum YH in XXIV).


It's based on experience and what I believe to be fairly sound logic. The first is obviously my personal observations of games, admittedly limited to 4-5 games, mostly newbie. The second is covered in the quote in my last post. The inexperienced town newbie knows he's townie and he usually underestimates the difficulty of getting this information across (it's really hard). This leads him to 1) underestimate the risk of getting into a sticky situation and 2) overestimates his chances of getting out of those situations. The reverse is true for an inexperienced scum. I'm obviously working with probabilities here, the fact that there are exceptions doesn't mean the analysis is invalid.

On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote:
You also say
The low level of Cubu's contributions makes him a better lynch candidate even though I think Drazark may be a more likely scum.
If you think Drazark is more scummy why would you ever consider Cubu over him? It's not like a flip on Cubu confirms anyone else's alignment this early in the game. Explain.


Because if we keep Cubu around I'm worried he'll just keep his nonsensical posts coming. Since Drazark is more active and tries to contribute in an intelligent way, keeping him there's a good chance we can get a better read later (in either direction). There's a decent risk Cubu will remain a black-box.

On September 04 2012 04:25 Stutters695 wrote:
(As a side note I've just contributed as much as Cubu in terms of scumreads, but you're missing my point from earlier still. It isn't how often you contribute its the intent and what you contribute.)


I don't think so. What was the intent of your contributions? Like I said, it seems like your posts are trying to look like contributing without actually adding much value at all.

The case against you isn't rock solid, but as I've just explained, it's the wagon I like best. You've mostly stayed out of the thread for ~40 hours and now show up for EOD, why haven't posted anything of value earlier? You've put yourself in a shitty situation because not everyone will be around for EOD (as a Euro I need to go to sleep now). I still like your wagon better than Cubu's so I'm leaving my vote on. If you're really townie I hope you survive and give me a chance to change my mind d2.


Sorry what's EOD? I haven't heard that expression before.

Regarding XXIV: In XXIV we went from lynching a lurker D1 to lynching our most vocal town. Day 2 we lynched a claimed Vig Thrawn over a scum YourHarry. This happened because instead of focusing on motives and what was said everyone except 3 of us just assumed YH was so bad he had to be good.

The intent of that post is showing you how you've spent all of day 1 tunneling me off of one post instead of checking other people. I'm not saying you're wrong for questioning me but you're going to be sorely disappointed if I get bandwagoned, flip town and you're the only person who has interacted with me at all.


EOD = End of day

Honestly I don't find this response very satisfying. It seems like we have quite different experiences from the game though and we might both be biased. Imo d1 the town usually focus way too much on active players while scum try to fly under the radar. That's why I like putting pressure on lurkers, you were just one of them and the one I happened to find the most suspect.

You're saying we're focus too little on motives? The motive of flying under the radar is to just sit back while the town starts flinging poo on eachother. I'm still not sure what your motive of making generic posts was. Maybe someone who followed XXIV can chime in? Thrawn, it seems like you were playing that game?

You're also still ignoring this:

On September 04 2012 06:12 Kreb wrote:
Stutters

You started off by ignoring this:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 02:04 Kreb wrote:
On September 03 2012 23:57 KillingTime wrote:
On a percentage basis I think it is more likely that cuba or weetee or stutters (who never asked those "questions" he was promising) or drazak are scum who have realised their mistake and are trying to cover for it - rather than kville who is being such a blatant lurk.

Good catch, forgot about that.

Any comments on this, Stutters?


Then you follow it up by posting this:

Show nested quote +

Part 2 Incoming. I just wanted to address the case against me first to give you guys times to look it over.

So, we got this part 2 coming anytime soon?

Or are you, for the second time, saying you will do something and then just ignore it?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
September 04 2012 07:29 GMT
#340
I wouldn't read too much into the Cubu lynch. To me it seems like a pretty standard d1 lynch where a careless newbie town says stupid things, the town goes "this makes no sense, let's lynch him" and we have a d1 mislynch.

I don't have more time right now though and will need to get back with more thoughts in the afternoon.
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