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Limiting the lynch to two players is pro-scum, as manipulative scum can make sure that those two options are townie. I'm not saying we shouldn't consolidate, just I don't see why we shouldn't push our first choice lynches and then compromise.
I pretty much agree with Tunkegs emotive state as I feel pretty much that way too. VE is being irrational, WBG is baiting him, Matt and Marv are being abusive, Katina is lurking in an anti-town way, now Tunkeg is giving up, N_T played an anti-town D1. All these players have or are hurting town... and none of them are currently on the lynch shortlist. This town does indeed have a sucky atmosphere.
That said giving up and promising some amazing insight is not helping, hence why I listed Tunkeg as acting anti-town. What is hilarious is that in such a town atmosphere, the optimal scum play is actually to post calm objective rational posts, like Nevillus and Acid. This is exactly what Marv and I did in LIV and it worked like a charm.
All I can say is I urge all those butthurt players to swallow your pride and resort to pushing your cases rather than kill town with your ego.
I'm voting Katina because I think lurking day 2 with no reasoned out post is the scummiest thing anyone has done so far, I still find N_T's change in posting style highly suspicious. If I had to consolidate I would go for Zealos, or even Tunkeg over Zelblade. I wouldn't be happy about it though.
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@Zelblade: Can you post something useful?
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On May 25 2012 23:02 Zealos wrote:
@Zelblade: Can you post something useful?
Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? 
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froggy i find it pretty ironic you call me and marv abusive (among other things) and then in a later paragraph call the us all "butthurt"
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Come on Matt, talk about Katina with me.
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On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself?
Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over.
Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him.
In general though, it feels like people are to happy to see one good case and just jump on, rather than try to improve town atmosphere overall. Even if these players are town, they seem far too happy to sit back and let one or 2 influential veterans do all their work for them.
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On May 25 2012 23:17 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 23:02 Zealos wrote:
@Zelblade: Can you post something useful? Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over. Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him. In general though, it feels like people are to happy to see one good case and just jump on, rather than try to improve town atmosphere overall. Even if these players are town, they seem far too happy to sit back and let one or 2 influential veterans do all their work for them.
So you disagree with my conclusion that option 2 was more likely, given her general posting in the thread as well?
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I would say that based on purely the thread so far, I would agree with you, however I would like to hear Katina elaborate on her case further, to see if she really thinks Nova is scum, or whether it's a case of "I need someone to call mafia, so I'll just call out the spammer"
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I'm not gonna be voting for Tunkeg obviously.
##unvote
##Vote: Zealos
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Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching.
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On May 25 2012 23:28 Zealos wrote:
Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching.
You do realise that even if you are townie, it doesn't make you miraculously correct in your reads, right? ^^
Two things that have given me back a bit of confidence in the Zealos lynch:
1) Matt's post about Acro in GoT
2) your wishy-washyness regarding Katina there
I'm kinda liking a Zealos/Katina scumteam atm
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On May 25 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:28 Zealos wrote:
Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching. You do realise that even if you are townie, it doesn't make you miraculously correct in your reads, right? ^^
You're right
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Marvel thats the exact scumteam that i was thinking about being possible
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On May 25 2012 23:53 Nova_Terra wrote:
Marvel thats the exact scumteam that i was thinking about being possible
You two agreeing with each other gain, it's like déjà vu.
Zealos is probably getting lynched today. If he flips town, I want you both dead.
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I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos.
Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go.
He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out.
On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully.
To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game.
1st post:
On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
2nd post:
On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales
Another vote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb
Another post:
On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.
I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV:
On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
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On May 25 2012 20:08 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 19:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well it's either a DT check or a case, neither of which are believable.
Wrong again, there won't be any information that is relevant for todays lynch in it...
Cool, just like all the other stuff you post. Thanks for sharing.
On May 25 2012 23:17 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 23:02 Zealos wrote:
@Zelblade: Can you post something useful? Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over. Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him.
DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
Can we get a votecount, or is there a recent one I missed?
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On May 26 2012 00:11 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:53 Nova_Terra wrote:
Marvel thats the exact scumteam that i was thinking about being possible
You two agreeing with each other gain, it's like déjà vu. Zealos is probably getting lynched today. If he flips town, I want you both dead.
I must say, you have an awfully simplistic view of how mafia is played.
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On May 26 2012 00:14 HiroPro wrote:
Can we get a votecount, or is there a recent one I missed?
Vote Count - Roughly 6 hours and 35 minutes to go
Acid~ (0): Navillus, wherebugsgo
Nova_Terra (0) froggynoddy
Tunkeg (1): wherebugsgo HiroPro, marvellosity
WhereBugsGo (1): Tunkeg, VisceraEyes
HiroPro (1): Zealos
Zelblade (1): Acid~, wherebugsgo, Mattchew
Katina (2): Nova_Terra, froggynoddy
Zealos (6): HiroPro, Navillus, Mattchew, VisceraEyes, zelblade, marvellosity, wherebugsgo
Not Voted (1): Katina
At the current vote count, Zealos will be lynched. Katina still needs to vote or she will be modkilled.
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Thanks.
Alright, I'll be online again during my lunch break.
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On May 26 2012 00:12 marvellosity wrote:I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos. Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go. He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully. To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game. 1st post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 2nd post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales Another vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb Another post: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
That's terrible meta. Check my other town meta. I always come off aggressive and abrasive, its my nature. I like to argue. I mean just look at my case against risen from my other town game. You're picking and choosing things that suit your case without looking at it objectively.
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